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Billy
post Mar 30 2007, 01:14 PM
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Proof of God through modern day reason

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ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES (I)
(1) My aunt had cancer.
(2) The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
(3) My aunt prayed to God and now she doesn't have cancer.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


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ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


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ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to not exist after we die.
(2) I'm afraid of that. (3) Therefore, God exists.


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ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
(1) [arbitrary passage from OT]
(2) [arbitrary passage from NT]
(3) Therefore, God exists.


I stopped reading at 40ish though. It starts to get boring.


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The Fanatic
post Apr 1 2007, 02:34 PM
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I read it, I just think it is a stupid argument.


When I was a Christian I tended to believe that books like Genesis, revelation, etc were mainly symbolic and should not be taken literally.

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post Apr 1 2007, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 1 2007, 03:34 PM) *
I read it, I just think it is a stupid argument.


When I was a Christian I tended to believe that books like Genesis, revelation, etc were mainly symbolic and should not be taken literally.


so you think mine is a stupid argument yet you were the one that took everything as symbolic?

my arguement wasnt stupid. You probably just dont understand *pat*

you are saying that things evolved from one another and that god could have started it

Are you thinking that the word "create" in the Bible is being used metaphorically/symbolically? Thats a really idiotic assumption if you ask me. As earlier stated, the word "created" implies something from nothing. Evolution is solid in that things EVOLVE FROM OTHER THINGS... IE HUMANS EVOLVED FROM APES so on and so on. It specifically says in the King James version of the Bible (which I realize is a translation from the Hebrew version, but in their version they use a word meaning the exact same thing) that God CREATED Adam and he MADE Eve from Adam, meaning that Eve was not created because God used a rib from Adam.

If you want to take the Bible as symbolic, thats fine; but to tie evolution and creation together is really stupid in my opinion. Even though evolution does not explain how the world began, it does explain how single-celled organisms developed into animals/plants/humans/etc which is completely contradictory to the word CREATE
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post Apr 1 2007, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 1 2007, 11:14 PM) *
so you think mine is a stupid argument yet you were the one that took everything as symbolic?

my arguement wasnt stupid. You probably just dont understand *pat*

you are saying that things evolved from one another and that god could have started it

Are you thinking that the word "create" in the Bible is being used metaphorically/symbolically? Thats a really idiotic assumption if you ask me. As earlier stated, the word "created" implies something from nothing. Evolution is solid in that things EVOLVE FROM OTHER THINGS... IE HUMANS EVOLVED FROM APES so on and so on. It specifically says in the King James version of the Bible (which I realize is a translation from the Hebrew version, but in their version they use a word meaning the exact same thing) that God CREATED Adam and he MADE Eve from Adam, meaning that Eve was not created because God used a rib from Adam.

If you want to take the Bible as symbolic, thats fine; but to tie evolution and creation together is really stupid in my opinion. Even though evolution does not explain how the world began, it does explain how single-celled organisms developed into animals/plants/humans/etc which is completely contradictory to the word CREATE


Here we go assuming the first meaning of create is the only.


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post Apr 2 2007, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE (Jim @ Apr 2 2007, 12:44 AM) *
Here we go assuming the first meaning of create is the only.

Im sorry, but its pretty idiotic in my opinion to keep throwing in those types of comments.

Maybe God is just symbolic of a table. Maybe the first meaning of "god" was really "table"

Dumb.

even the hebrew version which was written in the time of moses specifically said a word that meant "something from nothing"
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post Apr 2 2007, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 2 2007, 11:45 AM) *
Im sorry, but its pretty idiotic in my opinion to keep throwing in those types of comments.

Maybe God is just symbolic of a table. Maybe the first meaning of "god" was really "table"

Dumb.

even the hebrew version which was written in the time of moses specifically said a word that meant "something from nothing"



So you know Hebrew? Kudos.

I really don't care since I don't even believe in that book of fairy tales, but I see your point. Maybe symbolic was the wrong word choice. Perhaps ignorance on the part of ancient peoples who created god in the first place.


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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 2 2007, 04:28 PM) *
Perhaps ignorance on the part of ancient peoples who created god in the first place.




exactly.
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- Renegadepeon   Hundreds of Proofs of God's existance   Mar 30 2007, 01:14 PM
- - Jessica   stupid   Mar 30 2007, 02:31 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Funny and very true   Mar 30 2007, 03:24 PM
- - Jessica   the arguement from Creation is based on a secular ...   Mar 30 2007, 03:31 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Correct, the existence of god can neither be prove...   Mar 30 2007, 03:41 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 30 2007, 04:41 PM)...   Mar 30 2007, 04:42 PM
|- - griseyeux   QUOTE (Jessica @ Mar 30 2007, 05:42 PM) a...   Mar 30 2007, 05:52 PM
||- - Jessica   QUOTE (griseyeux @ Mar 30 2007, 06:52 PM)...   Mar 31 2007, 12:34 PM
|- - Seussninja   QUOTE (Jessica @ Mar 30 2007, 05:42 PM) e...   Mar 31 2007, 03:02 AM
- - Jim   There can proof (or disproof) of god's existen...   Mar 30 2007, 04:11 PM
- - griseyeux   *existence yes, evolution and christianity can co...   Mar 30 2007, 04:16 PM
- - Jim   How do we know that things didn't evolve in th...   Mar 30 2007, 04:49 PM
- - Jessica   I guess it doesnt matter if she corrects MY spelli...   Mar 30 2007, 04:56 PM
- - Jessica   7 results for: create View results from: Dict...   Mar 30 2007, 04:58 PM
- - RitalinJunkie   It all depends on if your a bible literalist. Imag...   Mar 30 2007, 05:10 PM
- - RitalinJunkie   MORAL ARGUMENT (I) (1) Person X, a well-known Athe...   Mar 30 2007, 05:17 PM
- - Jim   After reading this, I'm reminded of one of my ...   Mar 30 2007, 05:40 PM
- - chook   In the Silly Bee, everyone is going to State!   Mar 30 2007, 06:21 PM
|- - griseyeux   QUOTE (chook @ Mar 30 2007, 07:21 PM) In ...   Mar 30 2007, 06:24 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Jessica I don't think you understand Evolutio...   Mar 30 2007, 06:25 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 30 2007, 07:25 PM)...   Mar 31 2007, 12:38 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Jessica @ Mar 31 2007, 01:38 PM) I...   Mar 31 2007, 07:50 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 31 2007, 08:50 PM)...   Apr 1 2007, 11:31 AM
- - Testm0nkey   there is proof of dinosaurs => creationism cant...   Mar 30 2007, 06:44 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 30 2007, 07:44 PM...   Mar 30 2007, 06:52 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 30 2007, 07:44 PM...   Apr 2 2007, 09:24 AM
- - Renegadepeon   Scientist were able to create life using what they...   Mar 30 2007, 07:05 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Can you give a source for the creation of life in ...   Mar 30 2007, 07:06 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3214/01.ht...   Mar 30 2007, 07:17 PM
- - griseyeux   all of this discussion is making me want to watch ...   Mar 30 2007, 07:35 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Still waiting From what little research I have b...   Mar 30 2007, 07:51 PM
- - Testm0nkey   they know how it was created the 4 elements that ...   Mar 30 2007, 07:56 PM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 30 2007, 07:56 PM...   Mar 30 2007, 09:12 PM
- - Renegadepeon   http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?s...amp;#...   Mar 30 2007, 07:59 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Yeah sure The real question is HOW did these chem...   Mar 30 2007, 08:00 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 30 2007, 08:56 PM...   Mar 30 2007, 08:09 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/...70315...   Mar 30 2007, 08:13 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 30 2007, 08:13 PM)...   Mar 30 2007, 09:09 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Mar 30 2007, 10:09 ...   Mar 30 2007, 09:39 PM
- - THECHICKEN   Man, i bet god is pissed...   Mar 30 2007, 08:57 PM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   an asteroid doesnt need to hit the earth for eleme...   Mar 30 2007, 08:59 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Testm0s Boi Toi @ Mar 30 2007, 09...   Mar 30 2007, 10:03 PM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 30 2007, 10:03 PM)...   Mar 31 2007, 06:22 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Jim @ Mar 31 2007, 07:22 PM) Wha.....   Mar 31 2007, 07:52 PM
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|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Mar 31 2007, 12:39 ...   Mar 31 2007, 09:38 AM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   i know you and i supported the same idea i was jus...   Mar 31 2007, 01:29 AM
- - Seussninja   Believe whatever the hell you want just don't ...   Mar 31 2007, 02:31 AM
- - Jim   Good... now your post makes sense to me.   Mar 31 2007, 07:54 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Thanks for pointing it out.   Mar 31 2007, 08:00 PM
- - Jim   NP,bro.   Mar 31 2007, 08:01 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   I read it, I just think it is a stupid argument. ...   Apr 1 2007, 02:34 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 1 2007, 03:34 PM) ...   Apr 1 2007, 11:14 PM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 1 2007, 11:14 PM) so...   Apr 1 2007, 11:44 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Jim @ Apr 2 2007, 12:44 AM) Here w...   Apr 2 2007, 10:45 AM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 2 2007, 11:45 AM) Im...   Apr 2 2007, 03:28 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 2 2007, 04:28 PM) ...   Apr 2 2007, 03:37 PM
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|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Apr 2 2007, 11:11 AM)...   Apr 2 2007, 02:58 PM
- - jonathan83   i think that must be a small group or something. i...   Apr 2 2007, 10:37 AM
- - Jessica   and for the record, im not saying I support Creati...   Apr 2 2007, 10:46 AM
- - Renegadepeon   Though I do not agree in which the way Jessica arg...   Apr 2 2007, 03:31 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Creationism is not a scientific theory. Some peopl...   Apr 2 2007, 03:32 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 2 2007, 04:32 PM) ...   Apr 2 2007, 03:34 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   No, it is a belief. Christians do not call it theo...   Apr 2 2007, 03:35 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Apr 2 2007, 04:35 PM) ...   Apr 2 2007, 03:49 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Apr 2 2007, 04:49 P...   Apr 2 2007, 04:00 PM
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- - Dr. Gonzo   Do we get to consume said horse after we beat it t...   Apr 2 2007, 03:37 PM
- - Renegadepeon   I feel people follow a religion more to be part of...   Apr 2 2007, 03:38 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   I agree. Most Christian's are not really ...   Apr 2 2007, 03:59 PM
- - Jim   I actually think most people believe in religions ...   Apr 2 2007, 04:07 PM
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- - Dr. Gonzo   Most people believe in religion not because of the...   Apr 2 2007, 05:36 PM
- - Jessica   you know whats sad? I could probably beat 60-70% o...   Apr 2 2007, 05:55 PM
- - impala454   IMHO both ideas are very compatible. If you belie...   Apr 3 2007, 12:08 PM


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