 An ambitious claim, From Senator Reid |
| An ambitious claim, From Senator Reid |
 Feb 18 2007, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After months of heated rhetoric slamming President Bush's Iraq policy, the Senate's top Democrat moved into new terrain by declaring the Iraq war a worse blunder than Vietnam. "This war is a serious situation. It involves the worst foreign policy mistake in the history of this country," Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada, told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer." Full article: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/18/reid.iraq/index.html I will agree that the invasion of Iraq is a blunder, but to claim that it is the worse foreign policy in US history is a bit ludicrous. Nothing as of yet has matched the US disaster in Vietnam... -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Feb 22 2007, 10:40 PM
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The Stalin comparison is a faulty one because the United States never invaded the U.S.S.R. and overthrew its government.
The point of this thread was comparing the less-than-desirable situation in Iraq to the complete fuck-up that was Vietnam. The vast, vast majority of the Vietnamese people - except for Vietnamese Catholics who feared religious persecution - heartily supported Ho Chi Minh. Truthfully, had the West had democratic principles in mind, 50,000+ Americans would not have died for nothing. An agreement reached in Geneva in 1954 provided for national elections in 1956 that would - one way or the other - re-unify the country. Two years came and went, and the West simply ignored the deadline. At this point, to even begin to compare the Third Gulf War (2003-2007, 3,151 U.S. military deaths) to Vietnam (1959-1975, 58,209 U.S. military deaths) is irresponsible. Although, to be fair, you could say that both were begun by a single lie. |
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Feb 22 2007, 11:18 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Aaron @ Feb 22 2007, 10:40 PM)  The Stalin comparison is a faulty one because the United States never invaded the U.S.S.R. and overthrew its government. The point of this thread was comparing the less-than-desirable situation in Iraq to the complete fuck-up that was Vietnam. The vast, vast majority of the Vietnamese people - except for Vietnamese Catholics who feared religious persecution - heartily supported Ho Chi Minh. Truthfully, had the West had democratic principles in mind, 50,000+ Americans would not have died for nothing. An agreement reached in Geneva in 1954 provided for national elections in 1956 that would - one way or the other - re-unify the country. Two years came and went, and the West simply ignored the deadline. At this point, to even begin to compare the Third Gulf War (2003-2007, 3,151 U.S. military deaths) to Vietnam (1959-1975, 58,209 U.S. military deaths) is irresponsible. Although, to be fair, you could say that both were begun by a single lie. The Stalin/Saddam comparison is not faulty. I was merely commenting on the character of Saddam in reference to Stalin. Both men were paranoid mass murderers with a god complex... This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Feb 22 2007, 11:19 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Dr. Gonzo An ambitious claim Feb 18 2007, 04:34 PM
lamont's lament hmm, people will say anything to make the news.
... Feb 18 2007, 04:38 PM Dr. Gonzo for real Feb 18 2007, 04:55 PM Aaron Iraq, as big of a fuck-up as it is, is not even in... Feb 18 2007, 05:24 PM Divergent Reality its even a different kind of war. Feb 18 2007, 07:30 PM Hartmann Reid makes me laugh... I don't think I've ... Feb 19 2007, 08:52 PM RitalinJunkie sooo.....
poor forign policy+ insufficient evid... Feb 19 2007, 11:19 PM
Renegadepeon QUOTE (RitalinJunkie @ Feb 19 2007, 11:19... Feb 20 2007, 07:07 AM Hartmann QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Feb 20 2007, 07:07 ... Feb 20 2007, 08:53 AM Dr. Gonzo QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Feb 20 2007, 07:07 ... Feb 20 2007, 10:32 AM RitalinJunkie QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Feb 20 2007, 07:07 ... Feb 21 2007, 08:31 PM lamont's lament QUOTE (RitalinJunkie @ Feb 21 2007, 08:31... Feb 21 2007, 08:37 PM Divergent Reality QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Feb 21 2007, 08... Feb 21 2007, 10:17 PM FORSAKENR320 QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Feb 21 2007, 10... Feb 22 2007, 12:26 PM pebkac Yeah. Everyone liked Saddam because everyone who ... Feb 20 2007, 09:25 AM chook I think there was a scene in Bananas, the woody al... Feb 20 2007, 11:39 AM Dr. Gonzo Stalin just purged all the party members who oppos... Feb 20 2007, 08:10 PM Renegadepeon I think the majority of iraqis would prefer the si... Feb 20 2007, 08:22 PM Dr. Gonzo Not the Shiites or Kurds
I mean civil strife suc... Feb 21 2007, 12:35 PM griseyeux yeah i think that america should step back and let... Feb 21 2007, 01:29 PM Dr. Gonzo There is one problem with withdrawing, The last th... Feb 21 2007, 02:35 PM impala454 it's a fad... almost a competition, to see who... Feb 21 2007, 04:27 PM Dr. Gonzo QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 21 2007, 04:27 PM)... Feb 22 2007, 11:17 PM griseyeux goddamnit. this was a political thread NOT a zombi... Feb 22 2007, 08:30 PM Aaron I meant in the context of the comparison of the Th... Feb 22 2007, 11:43 PM Dr. Gonzo Well yeah, the thread went into a tangent
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