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jonathan83
post Feb 23 2006, 12:47 AM
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post Jan 23 2007, 03:18 PM
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I see what you're saying...

I don't think I can be very succint, and still be clear in how I answer you...please forgive my stream of consciousness muddle...

let me preface (ONCE AGAIN OH GAWD) that I think we should have used afganistan and perhaps some other lawless country that's prime for breeding muj like somalia as the "battlefield", and kept Iraq a contained for a while til we got our shit straight. right now, AQ is spread pretty globally, and I do think that is the result of the invasion and taking our eye off the prize.

but that is the past. regardless, I think it's very hard after 9/11 for al-queda to get in conus. perhaps I am being naive, but all of al queda is not in iraq, nor do I think they just stopped trying to get us on our soil. I think the simple fact is, they can't. we're not total dumb-dumbs like Lance thinks and we are working to protect ourselves. and I am confident some shit has gone down the likes of which we may not know until a couple decades down the road, if ever.

iraq simply makes it easy for them to wear on our motivation (though in the grand scheme, losing 3000...even 6000 troops is not going to adversely affect America or the military).

at most it leaves a bad taste in our mouth about getting involved elsewhere. the silver lining is that the US mil and coalitions have taken an evolutionary leap in warfighting tactics, equipment, etc that had lied dormant since literally vietnam. when I started playing gunslinger, the only difference in my equipment vs. my father's was the kevlar, A2 instead of the A1 or M14. same comm, same lensatic compass vice GPS, same boots, shitty shelterhalves, seriously everything. also we had the M1, hummers, and radder jets...but infantry wise...same shit.

Iraq has been steroids for our warfighting capabilities.

nowadays, the whole kit you use is totally evolved...in just 4 years. it's incredible and brilliant. tactics? I can't even begin to get into it...much much different.

but the insurgency is not making any grand steps toward our destruction. the real, non insurgency-based al queda still wants to rip down our shit. and I'm certain they are still working towards that.

is Iraq a buffer taking the brunt of their force, thus saving plano from car bombs? I don't think so at all. I believe what's happening in Iraq is nothing more than the natural reaction of an invasion.

if I knew a great way to fix it, I'd let someone know. but I don't.
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- jonathan83   War in Iraq   Feb 23 2006, 12:47 AM
- - fingercuffs   I was secretly hoping this thread would disappear ...   Feb 23 2006, 01:15 AM
- - jonathan83   Gunmen strike 27 Baghdad mosques, kill imams Al-A...   Feb 23 2006, 01:17 AM
- - cmac   i only summed the article, but was that thing real...   Feb 23 2006, 01:54 AM
- - impala454   this is kinda like... just... iraq news right? no...   Feb 23 2006, 02:17 AM
- - jonathan83   we still have our military over there, still killi...   Feb 23 2006, 02:18 AM
- - impala454   well yeah i know there's still a war there, bu...   Feb 23 2006, 02:20 AM
- - jonathan83   yeah it probably doesn't have to do with Ameri...   Feb 23 2006, 02:29 AM
- - Psykopath   That mosque attack is fueling the fire for a possi...   Feb 23 2006, 06:53 AM
- - JRockTTU   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Feb 23 2006, 02:29 AM)yea...   Feb 23 2006, 12:47 PM
- - schwab   QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Feb 23 2006, 12:47 PM)QUOTE...   Feb 23 2006, 12:49 PM
- - James   QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Feb 23 2006, 12:47 PM)QUOTE...   Feb 23 2006, 12:49 PM
- - jonathan83   QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Feb 23 2006, 12:47 PM)QUOTE...   Feb 23 2006, 03:55 PM
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- - Divergent Reality   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 5 2006, 12:07 PM)if i...   Oct 5 2006, 04:20 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 5 2006, 08:28 AM)I do...   Oct 5 2006, 07:10 PM
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|- - Jessica   QUOTE (cupcake @ Apr 24 2007, 10:10 AM) I...   Apr 24 2007, 09:25 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 24 2007, 10:25 AM) M...   Apr 24 2007, 09:35 AM
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- - Jessica   damn... military benefits.... so nice.   Apr 24 2007, 09:50 AM
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