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post Jan 8 2007, 04:30 PM
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Bush's decisions, more than two months in the making, are already drawing criticism from new Democratic leaders in Congress who say it is time to begin ending the war, not to send in more US forces.


I think this will turn out to be interesting. I wouldn't really have any problem with a "surge" if it would result in at least a half-assed plan to leave Iraq.


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The Fanatic
post Jan 12 2007, 10:32 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality?


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The facts:

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction before and shortly after the gulf war

These weapons were given to him by the United States of America to fight Iran

Saddam used these weapons on Iranians, Kurds, Sunnis, etc. The United States did nothing

Saddam invades Kuwait in 1991, the united states retaliates because of oil interests which over ride their past dealings with the Iraqi dictator

Weapons are seized, destroyed, and Iraq is devastated by over a decade of economic sanctions and the "food for oil" program

What they told us:

Saddam was partly responsible for the 9/11 attacks. False, Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network were responsible for 9/11; unless of course you believe we attacked ourselves.

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. False: these weapons were never discovered, they were destroyed after the gulf war, even Hans Blix and other UN inspectors found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Even if he did have weapons, the United States gave these weapons to him.)

We invaded Iraq to bring democracy to that part of the world. False, The invasion has created a civil war and
an ever increasing conflict that the American people are no longer willing to fight. Some argue that the war was fought for oil, revenge, and/ or strategic reasons. I will not argue on the real reasons, because only Bush and his cronies know.

What should we do:

Congress must halt the increased troop deployment in Iraq (Congress does have the power of the purse). This war is not winnable. The Iraqi people will continue to fight until one side has become victorious. The only thing the United States can do is train the Iraqi forces in Iraqi and begin to pull out gradually. The last thing we need is to increase troops


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post Jan 12 2007, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 12 2007, 10:32 PM) *
The facts:

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction before and shortly after the gulf war

These weapons were given to him by the United States of America to fight Iran

Saddam used these weapons on Iranians, Kurds, Sunnis, etc. The United States did nothing

Saddam invades Kuwait in 1991, the united states retaliates because of oil interests which over ride their past dealings with the Iraqi dictator

Weapons are seized, destroyed, and Iraq is devastated by over a decade of economic sanctions and the "food for oil" program

What they told us:

Saddam was partly responsible for the 9/11 attacks. False, Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist network were responsible for 9/11; unless of course you believe we attacked ourselves.

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. False: these weapons were never discovered, they were destroyed after the gulf war, even Hans Blix and other UN inspectors found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Even if he did have weapons, the United States gave these weapons to him.)

We invaded Iraq to bring democracy to that part of the world. False, The invasion has created a civil war and
an ever increasing conflict that the American people are no longer willing to fight. Some argue that the war was fought for oil, revenge, and/ or strategic reasons. I will not argue on the real reasons, because only Bush and his cronies know.

What should we do:

Congress must halt the increased troop deployment in Iraq (Congress does have the power of the purse). This war is not winnable. The Iraqi people will continue to fight until one side has become victorious. The only thing the United States can do is train the Iraqi forces in Iraqi and begin to pull out gradually. The last thing we need is to increase troops


you sound like Michael Moore... and that is definitely NOT a compliment
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- pebkac   Bush vs. Congress   Jan 8 2007, 04:30 PM
- - impala454   well there's too many people who believe we co...   Jan 8 2007, 04:35 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 8 2007, 04:35 PM) ...   Jan 8 2007, 04:37 PM
- - impala454   unfortunately wars don't typically follow a sc...   Jan 8 2007, 04:39 PM
- - pebkac   Yes, but there are still some decisions that can b...   Jan 8 2007, 04:47 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 8 2007, 04:47 PM) Yes...   Jan 8 2007, 04:49 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   i agree with hartman. instead of treating this a...   Jan 9 2007, 05:46 AM
- - impala454   i think that the new demos in congress (esp that n...   Jan 9 2007, 08:50 AM
|- - woody   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 9 2007, 07:50 AM) ...   Jan 9 2007, 09:30 AM
- - Seussninja   Our soldiers would come home, man how terrible wou...   Jan 10 2007, 11:17 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   not really on topic, but there are alot of advanta...   Jan 11 2007, 05:29 AM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE 4. some may disagree, but it is a show of s...   Jan 11 2007, 11:49 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 11 2007, 11:49 AM)...   Jan 11 2007, 03:36 PM
||- - Psykopath   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 11 2007, 03:36 PM)...   Jan 11 2007, 03:53 PM
||- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 11 2007, 03:53 PM)...   Jan 12 2007, 06:36 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 11 2007, 03:53 PM)...   Jan 12 2007, 09:22 AM
||- - Psykopath   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:22 AM)...   Jan 12 2007, 09:22 PM
||- - Jessica   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 12 2007, 09:22 PM)...   Jan 13 2007, 12:17 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 12 2007, 09:22 PM)...   Jan 13 2007, 01:54 AM
||- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 13 2007, 01:54 AM)...   Jan 13 2007, 01:59 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 13 2007, 01:59 AM)...   Jan 13 2007, 02:07 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 11 2007, 11:49 AM)...   Jan 11 2007, 03:37 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jan 11 2007, 03:37 ...   Jan 11 2007, 03:56 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jan 11 2007, 03:56 PM)...   Jan 12 2007, 06:40 AM
- - Spectatrix   Durka durka jihad.   Jan 11 2007, 07:43 PM
|- - Divergent Reality   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jan 11 2007, 07:43 PM...   Jan 11 2007, 09:04 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Jan 11 2007, 09...   Jan 11 2007, 11:04 PM
- - pysex   it should've been iran....not iraq   Jan 11 2007, 11:12 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (pysex @ Jan 11 2007, 11:12 PM) it ...   Jan 11 2007, 11:19 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   The facts: Saddam had weapons of mass destruction...   Jan 12 2007, 10:32 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 12 2007, 10:32 PM)...   Jan 12 2007, 11:41 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   I fucking hate Michael Moore. How exactly do I sou...   Jan 13 2007, 12:04 AM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 13 2007, 12:04 AM)...   Jan 13 2007, 12:18 AM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 13 2007, 12:04 AM)...   Jan 13 2007, 12:22 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jan 13 2007, 12:22 AM) 1...   Jan 13 2007, 06:03 AM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jan 13 2007, 06:03 ...   Jan 15 2007, 11:56 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jan 15 2007, 11:56 AM) I...   Jan 16 2007, 06:17 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   It does not matter if they were said by Mr. Moore ...   Jan 13 2007, 01:47 AM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 13 2007, 01:47 AM)...   Jan 15 2007, 12:15 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   What is National sovereignty?   Jan 13 2007, 01:55 AM
- - impala454   (thank you for the correction though )   Jan 13 2007, 02:08 AM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Words can only be supported with force. Remember, ...   Jan 13 2007, 02:09 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 13 2007, 02:09 AM)...   Jan 15 2007, 11:04 AM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 15 2007, 11:04 AM)...   Jan 15 2007, 01:55 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 13 2007, 02:09 AM)...   Jan 13 2007, 02:11 AM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Yeah, Stalin killed millions of Russians. Not to m...   Jan 13 2007, 09:44 AM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Wait, So even though the war is wrong and grounded...   Jan 15 2007, 01:53 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 15 2007, 01:53 PM)...   Jan 15 2007, 02:08 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   First off, I work full time jack ass Secondly, I ...   Jan 15 2007, 03:51 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 15 2007, 03:51 PM)...   Jan 15 2007, 03:52 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 15 2007, 03:51 PM)...   Jan 15 2007, 04:19 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Jan 15 2007, 04...   Jan 15 2007, 04:23 PM
- - Rocky   Actually he said he DID vote. But the whole argu...   Jan 15 2007, 04:22 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Rocky @ Jan 15 2007, 04:22 PM) Act...   Jan 15 2007, 04:24 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Rocky @ Jan 15 2007, 04:22 PM) Act...   Jan 15 2007, 04:28 PM
- - Rocky   I think that is what it comes down to for most peo...   Jan 15 2007, 04:33 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Then again, when you only have two viable choices,...   Jan 15 2007, 04:41 PM
- - pysex   I think we're all forgetting that conflict is ...   Jan 15 2007, 04:42 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Racist!   Jan 15 2007, 04:44 PM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Jan 15 2007, 04:44 PM)...   Jan 15 2007, 04:47 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   your mom can't deny   Jan 15 2007, 04:47 PM
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