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post Dec 7 2006, 11:47 AM
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65 years ago, on this day, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

When the Dec. 7, 1941, onslaught was over, there were 2,403 dead and thousands others wounded.

Besides the mass causalities in the two waves of attacks that lasted less than two hours, the Japanese also had sunk or damaged 18 ships and destroyed more than 180 aircraft.

It was, as President Franklin D. Roosevelt would declare, "a day of infamy."

The next day, America was at war.

Although it was a day of great tragedy, it was also a day that revived our national pride and strengthened our determination as a nation.

This spirit of unity and reborn patriotism had "awakened the sleeping giant" and ultimately led us to victory and the end of World War II.

I have a really hard time believing that if that happened today, America would have the mettle to carry out an all-out offensive on two geographic fronts, be able to accept the mass casualties (ours and collateral), indiscriminate carpet bombing, and eventual use of atomic bombs. The media would have none of that. The politicians would be talking out both sides of their mouths. The "call to arms" would fall on deaf ears.

We would have lost WWII had it been fought in the 21st century. No doubt in my mind.
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post Dec 12 2006, 12:27 PM
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Impala you talk about how sophisticated and all knowing the american military machine is, but how would you explain how a russian sub got to our west coast and stalked ships in hawaii, cali, and washington. Or how about the chinese (verv inferior sub) popping up in torpedo range of one of those 12 aircraft carriers we have?

This is all theoritical of course. But i think that if ATTACKED (not neccessarily invaded) by a major force that could deal out major deaths, we'd back down (unlike in past) and seek "peace" instead of going to war.

If invaded i think we'd be able to fight back (since the enemy would be interupting our tv time and mcdonalds) and the lard asses would pick up their shotgun to fight back. How effective a hostile COUNTRY would stop a mobilized military force i can't really answer, but i think in the end, you can't control a country from half the world away... thus why we had a revolution in the first place. So we'd eventually win a battle of attrition.
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- cupcake   Day of Infamy   Dec 7 2006, 11:47 AM
- - Hartmann   I was just about to post something about this and ...   Dec 7 2006, 11:58 AM
- - Overlord   Roosevelt knew that Japan planned to attack Pearl ...   Dec 7 2006, 12:50 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Overlord @ Dec 7 2006, 12:50 PM) R...   Dec 7 2006, 01:28 PM
- - Overlord   Nope, it wasn't a conspiracy show. The Japane...   Dec 7 2006, 03:18 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Overlord @ Dec 7 2006, 03:18 PM) N...   Dec 7 2006, 04:02 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Lance is right   Dec 7 2006, 03:26 PM
- - Overlord   They would at least have had time to wake up and g...   Dec 7 2006, 04:10 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Overlord @ Dec 7 2006, 04:10 PM) T...   Dec 7 2006, 04:37 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 7 2006, 04:37 PM) I...   Dec 7 2006, 04:53 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 7 2006, 11:47 AM) I ...   Dec 8 2006, 12:54 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 8 2006, 12:54 AM) ...   Dec 8 2006, 02:42 AM
- - cupcake   live in your utopian 'americans are the end-al...   Dec 8 2006, 09:36 AM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 8 2006, 09:36 AM) li...   Dec 8 2006, 01:38 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 8 2006, 09:36 AM) li...   Dec 8 2006, 08:15 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 8 2006, 08:15 PM) ...   Dec 8 2006, 08:49 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 8 2006, 08:49 PM) Y...   Dec 8 2006, 09:22 PM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Dec 8 2006, 09...   Dec 8 2006, 09:56 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 8 2006, 08:49 PM) Y...   Dec 9 2006, 01:14 AM
- - Hartmann   I agree completely. Our way of life has changed a ...   Dec 8 2006, 09:59 AM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 8 2006, 09:59 AM) ...   Dec 8 2006, 12:06 PM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Dec 8 2006, 12:06 PM)...   Dec 8 2006, 12:08 PM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 8 2006, 12:08 PM) th...   Dec 11 2006, 11:20 AM
- - Divergent Reality   remember, not everyone can sit on the bridge of a ...   Dec 8 2006, 10:17 AM
- - jonathan83   haha and no offense to hartmann, bc i usually agre...   Dec 8 2006, 12:07 PM
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|- - cupcake   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Dec 8 2006, 12:07 PM)...   Dec 8 2006, 01:26 PM
- - cupcake   I just...what the? I'm talking about America...   Dec 8 2006, 01:47 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 8 2006, 01:47 PM) I ...   Dec 8 2006, 02:56 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 8 2006, 01:47 PM) I ...   Dec 8 2006, 09:23 PM
- - Renegadepeon   It does not matter how weak the people of a countr...   Dec 8 2006, 02:32 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 8 2006, 02:32 P...   Dec 8 2006, 02:37 PM
- - Seussninja   and now we're just glad that Japan is our comi...   Dec 8 2006, 03:19 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Seussninja @ Dec 8 2006, 03:19 PM)...   Dec 8 2006, 04:57 PM
- - Timbo   http://www.sflistteamhouse.com/Misc/Pearl%...or/or...   Dec 9 2006, 01:20 AM
- - impala454   well everyone used to be farmers & ranchers. ...   Dec 11 2006, 01:55 PM
- - cupcake   I guess I'm still waiting on the technomachine...   Dec 11 2006, 03:08 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 11 2006, 03:08 PM) I...   Dec 11 2006, 04:33 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 11 2006, 03:08 PM) I...   Dec 11 2006, 04:48 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 11 2006, 04:48 PM)...   Dec 11 2006, 05:25 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 11 2006, 05:25 PM) ...   Dec 11 2006, 07:35 PM
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||- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 11 2006, 09:02 PM) ...   Dec 11 2006, 09:21 PM
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|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 11 2006, 08:29 PM)...   Dec 11 2006, 09:15 PM
- - pebkac   I used to have one of those actually. Made for pr...   Dec 11 2006, 03:44 PM
- - cupcake   QUOTE i don't see any conventional invasion fo...   Dec 11 2006, 05:22 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Renegadepeon)Are you seriously trying to co...   Dec 11 2006, 09:36 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 11 2006, 09:36 PM) ...   Dec 11 2006, 09:51 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 11 2006, 09:51 ...   Dec 11 2006, 10:33 PM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 11 2006, 10:33 PM) ...   Dec 11 2006, 10:55 PM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 11 2006, 09:51 ...   Dec 12 2006, 09:31 AM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 12 2006, 09:31 AM) t...   Dec 12 2006, 09:36 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 12 2006, 09:36 ...   Dec 12 2006, 09:46 AM
- - Hartmann   I don't really feel like going through and req...   Dec 11 2006, 11:12 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 11 2006, 11:12 PM) ...   Dec 11 2006, 11:50 PM
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|||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 12 2006, 09:30 AM)...   Dec 12 2006, 09:55 AM
|||- - impala454   cupcake & hartmann: so you honestly think if s...   Dec 12 2006, 10:28 AM
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||- - John6.7   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 11 2006, 11:50 PM)...   Dec 12 2006, 02:25 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Dec 12 2006, 02:25 AM) W...   Dec 12 2006, 08:36 AM
|- - John6.7   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 11 2006, 11:12 PM) ...   Dec 12 2006, 02:29 AM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Dec 12 2006, 02:29 AM) Y...   Dec 12 2006, 02:32 AM
||- - John6.7   QUOTE (Trespass @ Dec 12 2006, 02:32 AM) ...   Dec 12 2006, 02:38 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Dec 12 2006, 02:29 AM) Y...   Dec 12 2006, 08:49 AM
- - Trespass   China sub stalked U.S. fleet Russian Sub Games c...   Dec 12 2006, 02:29 AM
- - Renegadepeon   The question to be answered: What determines the ...   Dec 12 2006, 09:08 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 12 2006, 09:08 ...   Dec 12 2006, 09:45 AM
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||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 12 2006, 09:45 AM) t...   Dec 12 2006, 09:56 AM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 12 2006, 09:08 ...   Dec 12 2006, 12:06 PM
- - cupcake   QUOTE i think you over-estimate the abilities of t...   Dec 12 2006, 10:03 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 12 2006, 10:03 AM) t...   Dec 12 2006, 10:32 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 12 2006, 10:32 AM)...   Dec 12 2006, 10:41 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 12 2006, 10:41 AM) ...   Dec 12 2006, 10:43 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 12 2006, 10:43 AM)...   Dec 12 2006, 10:44 AM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 12 2006, 10:44 AM) ...   Dec 12 2006, 10:45 AM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 12 2006, 10:45 ...   Dec 12 2006, 11:17 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Dec 12 2006, 10:44 AM) ...   Dec 12 2006, 10:47 AM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (impala454 @ Dec 12 2006, 10:47 AM)...   Dec 12 2006, 10:48 AM
- - Renegadepeon   I would personally support manditory military serv...   Dec 12 2006, 10:06 AM
- - cupcake   would you really? I have mixed thoughts. on one h...   Dec 12 2006, 10:16 AM
- - impala454   ok my bad i shouldn't have said it that way. ...   Dec 12 2006, 10:50 AM
- - cupcake   QUOTE "Sir, they have orange ships! The w...   Dec 12 2006, 10:54 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 12 2006, 10:54 AM) I...   Dec 12 2006, 11:02 AM
- - cupcake   nevermind   Dec 12 2006, 11:09 AM
- - Renegadepeon   Gun ownership isn't going to help the populati...   Dec 12 2006, 11:51 AM
- - cupcake   I don't think anyone wants to take over americ...   Dec 12 2006, 12:04 PM
- - Trespass   Impala you talk about how sophisticated and all kn...   Dec 12 2006, 12:27 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Trespass @ Dec 12 2006, 12:27 PM) ...   Dec 12 2006, 04:27 PM
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