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post Dec 4 2006, 12:48 AM
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this thread was inspired by the atheist video thread

we have not had one of these in a while. i thought it would be interesting if people wanted to have an ungoing discussion about what beliefs/morals/religious ideas/scruples they have and why they have them.

i will try to interject myself as a catalyst when i have time.

i would ask that no one is too inconsiderate of other people's ideas. however, i do not think their is anything wrong with light humor or logical criticism.



as for religious trends, it seems that our generation is having difficulties with Christianity, ranging from "I'm spiritual, not religious" to the casual "Christian" that does not really believe in Jesus, but believes in the Christian god. I have met several people who treat religion like a buffet, picking and choosing which particular characteristics of the ethos that seem most suitable. this seems to be indicative of a deterioration of religion in general, as if what was once considered dogmatic is now flexible and relative. aside from the particular personal relevance to our own lives, there also exists a greater societal relevance. what will change in our country if we are on a religious downslope? can religion die out or is it cyclical? who will win flying shark vs. flying crocodile? what about a flying spaghetti monster? does it come with breadsticks? when was the last time you ate at olive garden? etc. etc.
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The Fanatic
post Dec 4 2006, 07:14 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality?


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I used to be a member of the church, as were most good boys and girls who were born in west texas. I was born into the Church Of Christ, one of the most fundamentalist and evil churches in the world. They believe that if you are not baptized in the church of Christ then you are not a Christian. Probably most famous for not allowing instruments in their worship services, the church of Christ was a stepping stone to my disbelief in the Christian god and everything it stood for. This also happened to be the time I discovered alcohol, another vice which was denied by the church even though Jesus turned water into wine, quite a problem for the church eh? All it stands for is hypocrisy and judgment for the unbelieving heathens.


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Trespass
post Dec 4 2006, 09:10 PM
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Prize?


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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Dec 4 2006, 07:14 PM) *
I used to be a member of the church, as were most good boys and girls who were born in west texas. I was born into the Church Of Christ, one of the most fundamentalist and evil churches in the world. They believe that if you are not baptized in the church of Christ then you are not a Christian. Probably most famous for not allowing instruments in their worship services, the church of Christ was a stepping stone to my disbelief in the Christian god and everything it stood for. This also happened to be the time I discovered alcohol, another vice which was denied by the church even though Jesus turned water into wine, quite a problem for the church eh? All it stands for is hypocrisy and judgment for the unbelieving heathens.

Because they had a belief about baptizing (which most churches hold) and because they are against the VICES you are attached to that makes them evil?

Im not religious by any means, but bad examples...
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post Dec 4 2006, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (Trespass @ Dec 4 2006, 09:10 PM) *
Because they had a belief about baptizing (which most churches hold) and because they are against the VICES you are attached to that makes them evil?

Im not religious by any means, but bad examples...


on the baptizing the bible says to the effect of "baptism is just a public display of accepting christ and not required" i know thats badly worded but I think Gonzo's trying to say they are misinterpreting the bible by saying you arent a christian if we dont baptize you because how would they know your heart.
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