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Hartmann
post Nov 20 2006, 07:42 PM
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http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-raci...caught-on-tape/

Shouldn't have done it, shouldn't have been heckled... Sad turn of events.


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impala454
post Nov 21 2006, 11:18 AM
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1. He definitely went too far. You can't be in a public forum like that and lose it, no matter what the situation is. Good comedians deal with hecklers in their own way... they ignore them, or make jokes about them which ultimately backfire the heckles and make the rest of the crowd laugh and the hecklers look stupid.

2. The word "nigger" has just as many contexts as any other word. If you use it when you're mad at a black person, in general it's a derogatory context. If you use it as slang then it's a harmless context. In today's society I'd say the latter is way more common. If I call my friend a bitch, that's one thing. If I call some lady I don't know a bitch, that's another thing. If a black person nowadays hears someone else using the word as slang towards their friend and gets upset about it, they're too damn sensitive.

For Kramer's one outburst, there are millions of other times in comedy where the word nigger was used with no repercussion and to probably a lot of laughter.

3. "cracker" is nowhere near as bad as "nigger" when used in the derogatory sense.

4. anyone who brings up slavery is a fucking idiot. there's not a black person alive today who's parent, grandparent, and probably great grandparent who was ever a slave. same thing with white people and slave owners. those black guys that heckled kramer grew up just like i did, under the same rights as me. i'm no history buff but i'm sure if you went back far enough in history you could find just about any race that's wronged another. no one seems to bitch about it and dwell on it as much as black people though.
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- Hartmann   Kramer Goes Racist   Nov 20 2006, 07:42 PM
- - Renegadepeon   I love how that article goes into detail what kram...   Nov 20 2006, 08:40 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Nov 20 2006, 08:40 ...   Nov 20 2006, 08:51 PM
- - Divergent Reality   so was the affectionate term of 'boy' to a...   Nov 20 2006, 08:55 PM
- - Renegadepeon   Ok, reading some of the comments someone who claim...   Nov 20 2006, 08:58 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Nov 20 2006, 08:58 ...   Nov 20 2006, 09:02 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Nov 20 2006, 08:58 ...   Nov 20 2006, 10:10 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Nov 20 2006, 10:10 PM)...   Nov 20 2006, 10:27 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Nov 20 2006, 10:27 ...   Nov 21 2006, 02:52 AM
|- - jonathan83   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Nov 21 2006, 02:52 AM)...   Nov 21 2006, 05:08 AM
||- - pebkac   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 21 2006, 05:08 AM...   Nov 21 2006, 11:42 AM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Nov 21 2006, 02:52 AM)...   Nov 21 2006, 07:58 AM
- - Renegadepeon   I'd also like to add that this server sucks.   Nov 20 2006, 09:14 PM
- - Testm0nkey   the youtube video of this is posted in asdf hes t...   Nov 20 2006, 09:19 PM
- - Spectatrix   Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes...   Nov 20 2006, 10:24 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 20 2006, 10:24 PM...   Nov 20 2006, 10:29 PM
- - Spectatrix   That too. I <3 Avenue Q.   Nov 20 2006, 10:34 PM
- - TetraGrammaton Cleric   heh, I would have called him a pineapple. Anyhow,...   Nov 21 2006, 04:09 AM
- - chook   Song says what we need to do about this stupid men...   Nov 21 2006, 09:45 AM
- - cupcake   the simple truth is there are other ways to deal w...   Nov 21 2006, 09:46 AM
- - Divergent Reality   bit of an apology only part of it   Nov 21 2006, 11:08 AM
- - impala454   1. He definitely went too far. You can't be i...   Nov 21 2006, 11:18 AM
- - woody   apparently free speech ends with nigger   Nov 21 2006, 11:44 AM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (woody @ Nov 21 2006, 11:44 AM) app...   Nov 21 2006, 12:25 PM
||- - Divergent Reality   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 21 2006, 12...   Nov 21 2006, 04:54 PM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Nov 21 2006, 04...   Nov 21 2006, 05:11 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (woody @ Nov 21 2006, 11:44 AM) app...   Nov 21 2006, 01:14 PM
- - Trespass   wow... you think "free speech" means you...   Nov 21 2006, 01:24 PM
- - lamont's lament   i have no sympathy. my ancestors were persecuted ...   Nov 21 2006, 01:26 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 21 2006, 01...   Nov 21 2006, 01:28 PM
||- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Trespass @ Nov 21 2006, 01:28 PM) ...   Nov 21 2006, 01:32 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 21 2006, 01...   Nov 21 2006, 01:34 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 21 2006, 01:34 PM) Ye...   Nov 21 2006, 01:37 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 21 2006, 01...   Nov 21 2006, 03:05 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 21 2006, 03:05 PM) An...   Nov 21 2006, 04:10 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 21 2006, 03:05 PM) Yo...   Nov 21 2006, 06:29 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 21 2006, 06...   Nov 21 2006, 11:39 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 21 2006, 11:39 PM) Pl...   Nov 22 2006, 09:52 AM
||- - pysex   QUOTE (impala454 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:52 AM)...   Nov 22 2006, 10:35 AM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (pebkac @ Nov 21 2006, 11:39 PM) Bl...   Nov 22 2006, 10:46 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Nov 22 2006, 10:46 ...   Nov 23 2006, 06:49 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Nov 22 2006, 10:46 ...   Nov 23 2006, 07:41 AM
- - Spectatrix   Fuck all the niggers, spics, chinks, japs, cracker...   Nov 21 2006, 02:02 PM
- - Spectatrix   Um, last I checked "crackers" referred t...   Nov 21 2006, 02:07 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 21 2006, 02:07 PM...   Nov 21 2006, 02:08 PM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 21 2006, 01...   Nov 21 2006, 02:50 PM
- - Testm0nkey   i dont think the crazy part is when he said nigger...   Nov 21 2006, 02:19 PM
- - chook   at least we aren't paying attention to OJ now...   Nov 21 2006, 03:38 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   more blacks are in jail because more blacks get ca...   Nov 21 2006, 05:15 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Nov 21 2006, 05:15 ...   Nov 21 2006, 05:47 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   black people get shitty lawyers and white juries ...   Nov 21 2006, 06:10 PM
- - Trespass   Im not by any means a bleeding heart for affirmati...   Nov 21 2006, 06:10 PM
- - Testm0nkey   RE: Kramer Goes Racist   Nov 21 2006, 06:42 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE I guess discrimination isn't the word, b...   Nov 21 2006, 09:16 PM
- - chook   I remeber getting yelled at by this black guys at ...   Nov 22 2006, 02:33 AM
- - pysex   holy jesus.... that wasn't just a few racial...   Nov 22 2006, 10:34 AM
- - FORSAKENR320   RE: Kramer Goes Racist   Nov 23 2006, 07:33 AM
- - woody   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Nov 23 2006, 05:49 ...   Nov 23 2006, 02:16 PM
- - Jim   You all are a bunch of fucking whiners and need to...   Nov 23 2006, 02:18 PM
- - Throwdown   two things 1. what Richards said was despicable. ...   Nov 25 2006, 06:38 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 25 2006, 06:38 PM)...   Nov 25 2006, 07:55 PM
- - woody   http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061124/D8LJNIB00...   Nov 25 2006, 08:08 PM


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