So what do you expect to make?, income Options

[Billy]

I've heard of some high expectations from nearing grads and was wondering what kind of starting pay you expect to make right out of college.

Also, what is the absolute minimal salary you would accept and what kind of industry do you want work in?

[chook]

I had offers for 48-56, but it looked like 50+ work weeks

[impala454]

I had offers for 48-56, but it looked like 50+ work weeks

this is the most important post in this thread

some places may offer you quite a bit, but if you take into account how much you're actually working, it's really not as much.

$75,000 / 60hr/wk / 52wks = $24/hr
$50,000 / 40hr/wk / 52wks = $24/hr

[Dogmeat]

this is the most important post in this thread

some places may offer you quite a bit, but if you take into account how much you're actually working, it's really not as much.

$75,000 / 60hr/wk / 52wks = $24/hr
$50,000 / 40hr/wk / 52wks = $24/hr

Yeah, but you are never going to get anywhere in life only working a 40 hour work week, I don't care what profession you go into .... The people who become CEO's and shit don't work 40 hour weeks very often ...

[impala454]

Yeah, but you are never going to get anywhere in life only working a 40 hour work week, I don't care what profession you go into .... The people who become CEO's and shit don't work 40 hour weeks very often ...

But how far are you really getting if you make 50% more for 50% more work? And what makes you think you can't get anywhere only working 40 hours a week? I'd go insane if I had to be up at work 60 hours a week. I like my co-workers and enjoy my job, but if I spent half my waking hours there I'd start to hate it. More time at work = more dislike for your job = crappy life IMHO.

"getting somewhere in life/work" imho is making more money for doing the same amount of work. it's the quality of your work that increases and that your company pays you more for. or, as your skills in your job increase, you can get more work done in the same amount of time.

[Dogmeat]

But how far are you really getting if you make 50% more for 50% more work? And what makes you think you can't get anywhere only working 40 hours a week? I'd go insane if I had to be up at work 60 hours a week. I like my co-workers and enjoy my job, but if I spent half my waking hours there I'd start to hate it. More time at work = more dislike for your job = crappy life IMHO.

"getting somewhere in life/work" imho is making more money for doing the same amount of work. it's the quality of your work that increases and that your company pays you more for. or, as your skills in your job increase, you can get more work done in the same amount of time.

I guess if you're happy never advancing in your career because you aren't willing to put the time in it takes that's your perogative.....

[impala454]

I guess if you're happy never advancing in your career because you aren't willing to put the time in it takes that's your perogative.....

see that's just the thing i'm talking about that makes no sense. why do people assume that time spent at work=advancement? you still didn't answer my question a few posts back. let me rephrase it slightly: if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career? what exactly does career advancement mean to you? is it adding a title to your name? getting subordinates? getting a nicer office? making more money? taking on more responsibility? accomplishing things you couldn't accomlish when you started?

to me, advancement is increasing your pay rate as a result of increase in knowledge, typically due to experience. basically increasing your worth to the company=advancement imho. if i go back to some of the first bits of code i wrote when i started 2.5 years ago, it's horrendous compared to right now, and so was my salary . now i develop much better software, and my paycheck reflects that, and i still work 40 hrs a week (heh, typically less if you count the long ass lunches we take and 30 min breaks throughout the day, as well as mini basketball horse in my boss's office).

[Dogmeat]

see that's just the thing i'm talking about that makes no sense. why do people assume that time spent at work=advancement? you still didn't answer my question a few posts back. let me rephrase it slightly: if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career? what exactly does career advancement mean to you? is it adding a title to your name? getting subordinates? getting a nicer office? making more money? taking on more responsibility? accomplishing things you couldn't accomlish when you started?

to me, advancement is increasing your pay rate as a result of increase in knowledge, typically due to experience. basically increasing your worth to the company=advancement imho. if i go back to some of the first bits of code i wrote when i started 2.5 years ago, it's horrendous compared to right now, and so was my salary . now i develop much better software, and my paycheck reflects that, and i still work 40 hrs a week (heh, typically less if you count the long ass lunches we take and 30 min breaks throughout the day, as well as mini basketball horse in my boss's office).

I know it's just that basically everything you just said I read as somone making excuses for not wanting to work hard and rationalizing about it

Personally, I leave work as soon as the clock rolls over to 5:00. I'm not paid to be there after 5:00, and I believe there should be a strong separation between work and home life.

I do enough advancing on my own time anyways... drawing up business plans, looking up patents, researching laws... so in about 5 years from now when I have my own company with people working for me and making me money while I lounge around on my yacht I can look back and laugh at Dogmeat putting in all that overtime to line someone else's pocket.

Keep dreaming

[impala454]

I know it's just that basically everything you just said I read as somone making excuses for not wanting to work hard and rationalizing about it
Keep dreaming

or it could be that you're simply avoiding the question a third time. here it is one last time:

if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career?

this is also one of those rare times where Lance and I agree wholeheartedly:

Personally, I leave work as soon as the clock rolls over to 5:00. I'm not paid to be there after 5:00, and I believe there should be a strong separation between work and home life.

[Dogmeat]

or it could be that you're simply avoiding the question a third time. here it is one last time:

if you have to spend 50% more time at work to make 50% more money, did you really make any kind of "advance" in your career?

this is also one of those rare times where Lance and I agree wholeheartedly:

Yes, you did make an advance in your career, because quite obviously your manager or boss or whoever is going to reward the person who puts the time and effort in completing more work and learning more about the business. I'm sorry, but what you're proposing is incredibly naive and improbable for the most part. The probability of someone who does not put any extra time and effort in doing as good of job as somone who IS putting that time and effort in going farther in the company is MUCH smaller that for someone who's busting their ass.

And I can already see where you're going with this, "blah blah blah blah, well, what if I do a better job in half the time, blah blah blah" and my answer is read what I just wrote: That doesn't happen very bloody often. You can rationalize it all you want, and you're still gonna be stuck...

Labor Union work ethic is essentially what you're describing, and if you work for a progressive company, that shit just isn't gonna cut it .... Wait until you've been passed up for promotions by people who are willing to bust their asses at work then come talk to me about how great you are in respect to them and how you should have been the one promoted and blah blah blah.

I've seen this and heard this so many times from people it's staggering, and yet somehow magically the people who complain about having to put extra time in at work are more often than not the ones who never go all that far in their careers.....which is fine if you're happy with that I guess *shrug*

[impala454]

Yes, you did make an advance in your career, because quite obviously your manager or boss or whoever is going to reward the person who puts the time and effort in completing more work and learning more about the business. I'm sorry, but what you're proposing is incredibly naive and improbable for the most part. The probability of someone who does not put any extra time and effort in doing as good of job as somone who IS putting that time and effort in going farther in the company is MUCH smaller that for someone who's busting their ass.

And I can already see where you're going with this, "blah blah blah blah, well, what if I do a better job in half the time, blah blah blah" and my answer is read what I just wrote: That doesn't happen very bloody often. You can rationalize it all you want, and you're still gonna be stuck...

Labor Union work ethic is essentially what you're describing, and if you work for a progressive company, that shit just isn't gonna cut it .... Wait until you've been passed up for promotions by people who are willing to bust their asses at work then come talk to me about how great you are in respect to them and how you should have been the one promoted and blah blah blah.

I've seen this and heard this so many times from people it's staggering, and yet somehow magically the people who complain about having to put extra time in at work are more often than not the ones who never go all that far in their careers.....which is fine if you're happy with that I guess *shrug*

so basically what you're saying is you feel that if your body is in the chair at work more than someone else, you're more valuable. in this case, it's just like Lance said, enjoy the rest of your life working 60 hr work weeks. maybe the company i work for is different somehow, i dunno, but if i had a little extra work today and decided to stay until 5:30 or 6:00pm (which i do on occasion), i'd be the last person leaving. my bosses don't give a shit if i'm up here until midnight. sure a boss will give you a little extra verbal "great job" or "thanks", but all they really care about is if you got done what you were supposed to. you can keep jabbing at me with your stupid shit like "i guess if you're happy not going anywhere blah blah" all you want. the simple fact is i've gotten an enormous amount of raises since i've started. all due to the fact that i'm gaining more knowledge, getting more done in less time, and proving my worth and reliability to the company. i honestly could give two shits if i'm working from a plastic desk on a 486 or sittin on a solid gold office chair with a 15 foot monitor. all i care about is watching that paycheck rise, and gaining experience.

[Hartmann]

so basically what you're saying is you feel that if your body is in the chair at work more than someone else, you're more valuable. in this case, it's just like Lance said, enjoy the rest of your life working 60 hr work weeks. maybe the company i work for is different somehow, i dunno, but if i had a little extra work today and decided to stay until 5:30 or 6:00pm (which i do on occasion), i'd be the last person leaving. my bosses don't give a shit if i'm up here until midnight. sure a boss will give you a little extra verbal "great job" or "thanks", but all they really care about is if you got done what you were supposed to. you can keep jabbing at me with your stupid shit like "i guess if you're happy not going anywhere blah blah" all you want. the simple fact is i've gotten an enormous amount of raises since i've started. all due to the fact that i'm gaining more knowledge, getting more done in less time, and proving my worth and reliability to the company. i honestly could give two shits if i'm working from a plastic desk on a 486 or sittin on a solid gold office chair with a 15 foot monitor. all i care about is watching that paycheck rise, and gaining experience.

Different strokes for different folks. I personally could care very little about the money as long as I am able to pay rent, car payment, and food. That's all I want. What I do want from my job is to be happy, have decent benefits (healthcare), and be able to innovate/make decisions. My end goal is to own my own business, meet new clients, and love what I do.

Money is a detail. I save a good amount and max out my Roth and other mutual funds.