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post Oct 19 2006, 09:59 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxmPjB0WSs

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Trespass
post Oct 20 2006, 12:29 AM
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Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which this new legislation finds the power FROM THE SUPREME COURT to enact the law
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CASE SUMMARY

PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Petitioners, a citizen-detainee and his father, petitioned for a writ of habeas corpus under 28 U.S.C.S. § 2241. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered the petition dismissed, finding that the citizen-detainee's detention was legally authorized and that he was entitled to no further opportunity to challenge his enemy-combatant label. Certiorari was granted. The U.S. Supreme Court issued its decision in a plurality opinion (notice that this is a plurality opinion not a majority, meaning that only a larger portion of the court agreed with the decision... not over half as would be a MAJORITY opinion).

OVERVIEW: The citizen-detainee was born in the United States, detained in Afghanistan during the United States' military action against the Taliban regime, and transferred to the United States. Pursuant to a government official's declaration, the Government contended that the citizen-detainee was an enemy combatant. Aside from unspecified screening processes and military interrogations, the citizen-detainee received no due process. The Court determined that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), 115 Stat. 224, authorized the detention of individuals in the citizen-detainee's circumstances and that the AUMF satisfied 18 U.S.C.S. § 4001(a)'s requirement that a detention be "pursuant to an Act of Congress." However, under the Mathews analysis, the Court determined that the citizen-detainee, seeking to challenge his classification as an enemy combatant, was entitled to receive notice of the factual basis for his classification, and a fair opportunity to rebut the Government's factual assertions before a neutral decisionmaker. The Court rejected the Government's assertion that separation of powers principles mandated a heavily circumscribed role for the courts in such circumstances.

OUTCOME: The Supreme Court vacated the appellate court's judgment and remanded the case for further proceedings.

CORE TERMS: detention, enemy, combatant, military, plurality, suspension, detain, detained, authorization, imprisonment, writ of habeas corpus, captured, wartime, terrorist, detainee, due process, Act of Congress, national security, authorize, prisoners of war, emergency, detaining, hostility, prisoner, capture, treason, habeas corpus, war powers, rebellion, invasion


The Actual Statute: 109th U.S. Congress (2005-2006)

Despite this mans obvious passion for what he views as a horrible man doing a horrible thing, one should look at the actual language of the statute being enacted as well as the supreme court case that lead to the bill in question.

You may find the supreme court ruling wrong (which i wouldn't do lightly since the magnitude of the question fitted with the massive knowledge of the law by the justices leads me to believe they thought long an hard about it.) and thus you would find the statute wrong.

BUT you can also find the supreme court ruling CONSTITUTIONAL and still hold the statute wrong.

GOOD news is that the supreme court still gets to look at this statute and rule on its constitutionality, so if this trully is against the constitution... it can be rectified.

Anyhoo, im not gonna try to break down the statutes for you (god knows i have enough case briefs and statutes to read in law school) but here is the law in question... have fun.

.... or trust this guy is smarter than you and have him make up your mind, either way smile.gif
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- Timbo   Good Special Comment   Oct 19 2006, 09:59 PM
- - Spectatrix   Damn. Very powerful. Very nice.   Oct 19 2006, 10:55 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 19 2006, 11:55 PM...   Oct 19 2006, 11:43 PM
- - Jim   TLDR   Oct 19 2006, 11:00 PM
- - impala454   geez... guy compares bush to internment of japane...   Oct 19 2006, 11:28 PM
|- - Divergent Reality   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 20 2006, 12:28 AM)...   Oct 19 2006, 11:41 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Oct 20 2006, 12...   Oct 20 2006, 11:08 AM
- - Trespass   Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which this new legislation finds...   Oct 20 2006, 12:29 AM
- - Testm0nkey   i had to skim through this thread because the topi...   Oct 20 2006, 12:59 AM
- - Timbo   http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006...hs_sp...   Oct 25 2006, 02:01 AM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Timbo @ Oct 25 2006, 02:01 AM) htt...   Oct 25 2006, 03:57 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Good commentary on what has happened to america si...   Oct 25 2006, 03:08 PM
- - Trespass   I always love the "Any society that would giv...   Oct 25 2006, 04:13 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (Trespass @ Oct 25 2006, 05:13 PM) ...   Oct 26 2006, 01:45 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (pebkac @ Oct 26 2006, 02:45 PM) I...   Oct 26 2006, 02:52 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (Trespass @ Oct 26 2006, 03:52 PM) ...   Oct 26 2006, 04:32 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (pebkac @ Oct 26 2006, 05:32 PM) Yo...   Oct 26 2006, 06:45 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (Trespass @ Oct 26 2006, 07:45 PM) ...   Oct 26 2006, 07:38 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (pebkac @ Oct 26 2006, 08:38 PM) No...   Oct 26 2006, 08:08 PM
- - Overlord   The chances of being killed by terrorism are a who...   Oct 25 2006, 05:22 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Overlord @ Oct 25 2006, 06:22 PM) ...   Oct 25 2006, 05:52 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   Saftey is not liberty. Both of these are rights un...   Oct 25 2006, 08:30 PM
|- - Trespass   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Oct 25 2006, 09:30 PM)...   Oct 25 2006, 10:36 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   I wish I was wrong, but I am right.   Oct 26 2006, 01:34 AM
- - Overlord   this is for trespass   Oct 26 2006, 06:49 PM
- - Trespass   QUOTE (Overlord @ Oct 26 2006, 07:49 PM) ...   Oct 26 2006, 07:02 PM


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