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impala454
post Oct 16 2006, 01:05 AM
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I'm watching Dateline NBC right now... they're doing a segment on sexual predators... something is really bugging me here. Here's the situation:

Cops + Dateline set up inside a nice house. The cops get online and start chatting with guys, posing as 13 year old girls wanting to have sex. They invite the guy over, have an 18 year old girl posing as the 13 year old, and this girl flirts with them when they get there until Dateline pops in, embarasses the guy, then the cops arrest the guy (who is 28). WTF!?! Now I'm not condoning 28 year olds having sex with 13 year olds, but this is bullshit... the guy never did anything illegal. It's still on NBC right now.
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Trespass
post Oct 18 2006, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 09:35 AM) *
step back for a second and tell me how much sense this makes. so does this make it ok for these guys to solicit 13 year old girls who claim they're 18 (which no doubt happens way more often)?
Oh I dunno, maybe because they showed about 10 guys get arrested, and 7 or so of em were of arab.
i'm perfectly calm. i like to post up topics that will get people discussing a controversial subject. i enjoy trying to get people to look at things from a perspective other than the norm, whether it's wrong or right, it makes people think. and vice versa, I enjoy reading this forum because it makes me look at topics from a different perspective (believe it or not I do give every idea a shot, even the lance conspiracy posts). it's interesting to see all the different bits of knowledge people bring to the table, and i think it's great when someone demands the source of someone's facts. honestly you could take the whole group of posters here and put together a hell of a debate team.

anyhow back on the subject:
did these guys deserve to be arrested? yeah probably. are they disgusting losers? most definitely. do I condone sex with minors? of course not (although it'd have been pretty shitty if they'd had a 17 yr old girl and lured a 19 yr old guy). It's just that the manner in which they operated this particular sting seemed as though those they were arresting hadn't broken any actual law (even the girl posing as the 13 yr old when the men showed up was 18). if there is in fact a law that says "it's illegal to solicit sex to someone who simply claims to be a minor" then there ya go.


You have to look at it in a cost/benifit analysis:
-This benifit to society is detering or catching would be rapists before they have the chance to actually commit a crime against an innocent. It takes away being able to seek out sex with children with complete safety because you can be caught like this.
-Cost to society is...? Not sure of a cost honestly. Not gonna catch innocent people since they would have been having sex w/ a 13 year old given the chance (as evidenced by the "chats"). Also, they took it from just a fantasy of talking to a 13 year old, to ACTUALLY trying to go through with the act. So im not sure the detriment to society... it doesn't let the men have the chance to commit the crime before catching them i guess?

Plus fairness-wise, these men don't get harsh punishments since they didn't actually commit the act. They get soliciting and lude conduct with a minor which puts them on the sex offenders list, but the punishment isn't that harsh... considering they now have a guy who's been caught twice on that show.

So the courts... and society, believe that the failure of these guys to ACTUALLY get the chance with a real minor is much less of a concern than protecting the children from these guys (Who WOULD commit the act had they been given the chance). For some reason i tend to agree
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- impala454   Dateline   Oct 16 2006, 01:05 AM
- - Divergent Reality   yep. its not the first time. they found out that...   Oct 16 2006, 01:14 AM
- - woody   intent? i thought what was bullshit is when they ...   Oct 16 2006, 04:12 AM
- - impala454   well it just pisses me off... these guys they arre...   Oct 16 2006, 07:54 AM
- - pebkac   Actually, in most states, you could have criminal ...   Oct 16 2006, 11:48 AM
- - Testm0nkey   entrapment. but most of the guys caught probably ...   Oct 16 2006, 02:37 PM
- - woody   actually alot of them do, they usually give you so...   Oct 16 2006, 02:43 PM
- - chook   entrapment only happens if they lie to you if you ...   Oct 16 2006, 03:35 PM
- - Testm0nkey   there are a lot of situations to which entrapment ...   Oct 16 2006, 03:48 PM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2006, 04:48 PM...   Oct 16 2006, 04:17 PM
- - Divergent Reality   thats why you ask 'so... you a cop?' and ...   Oct 16 2006, 04:20 PM
- - Testm0nkey   yeah most people know this. so this makes me beli...   Oct 16 2006, 04:24 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   I am split on this show. When I first saw it my re...   Oct 16 2006, 04:31 PM
- - Renegadepeon   I don't think I feel sorry for these guys. DO...   Oct 16 2006, 04:45 PM
|- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Oct 16 2006, 05:45 ...   Oct 16 2006, 05:46 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Oct 16 2006, 06:46 PM)...   Oct 16 2006, 05:51 PM
- - Tygriss   For these guys they catch, the doctors, managers, ...   Oct 16 2006, 04:58 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Tygriss @ Oct 16 2006, 05:58 PM) F...   Oct 17 2006, 10:27 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ Oct 17 2006, 11:27 PM) b...   Oct 18 2006, 12:34 AM
|- - jwttu   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 01:34 AM)...   Oct 18 2006, 07:06 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (jwttu @ Oct 18 2006, 08:06 AM) Yes...   Oct 18 2006, 08:35 AM
||- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 08:35 AM)...   Oct 18 2006, 10:15 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 18 2006, 11:15 AM...   Oct 18 2006, 04:05 PM
||- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 05:05 PM)...   Oct 18 2006, 04:30 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 01:34 AM)...   Oct 18 2006, 05:27 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Jessica @ Oct 18 2006, 06:27 PM) s...   Oct 18 2006, 05:56 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ Oct 18 2006, 06:27 PM) b...   Oct 19 2006, 09:28 AM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 19 2006, 10:28 AM)...   Oct 19 2006, 10:07 AM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 19 2006, 10:28 AM)...   Oct 19 2006, 01:14 PM
- - Testm0nkey   I definitely dont agree with sexing of the minors ...   Oct 16 2006, 05:02 PM
- - Dogmeat   I'm all for catching sexual predators, but Dat...   Oct 16 2006, 05:09 PM
- - impala454   To me, this situation would be analagous to a cop ...   Oct 16 2006, 05:16 PM
- - Trespass   QUOTE ENTRAPMENT entrapment, n. 1. A law-enforcem...   Oct 16 2006, 05:18 PM
- - Overlord   RE: Dateline   Oct 16 2006, 05:22 PM
- - Spectatrix   It's not entrapment, it's just a type of s...   Oct 16 2006, 05:24 PM
- - impala454   ok going to a person's house with a gun and go...   Oct 16 2006, 07:09 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   You counter arguement is moot because he did not c...   Oct 16 2006, 07:16 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Oct 16 2006, 08:16 PM)...   Oct 16 2006, 07:40 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Oct 16 2006, 08:16 PM)...   Oct 18 2006, 09:27 AM
- - Trespass   So... let me get this straight: As long as a 13 y...   Oct 16 2006, 07:34 PM
- - Spectatrix   Soliciting a minor for sex is just as much a crime...   Oct 16 2006, 07:50 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 16 2006, 08:50 PM...   Oct 17 2006, 09:27 PM
- - kcroxyoursox   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 16 2006, 06:54 AM)...   Oct 16 2006, 08:52 PM
- - woody   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 16 2006, 03:48 PM...   Oct 16 2006, 08:55 PM
- - Dr. Gonzo   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Oct 16 2006, 08:40 ...   Oct 16 2006, 10:25 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Oct 16 2006, 11:25 PM)...   Oct 16 2006, 11:02 PM
|- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Oct 17 2006, 12:02 AM)...   Oct 17 2006, 07:48 AM
- - Spectatrix   I'm pretty sure Zach was just disagreeing with...   Oct 17 2006, 08:28 AM
- - Testm0nkey   So how many arrests have they made so pervs can wa...   Oct 17 2006, 12:00 PM
- - Testm0nkey   This is a change of topic somewhat but has got me ...   Oct 17 2006, 12:11 PM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 17 2006, 12:11 PM...   Oct 17 2006, 12:37 PM
- - Testm0nkey   i thought the boys were in florida   Oct 17 2006, 12:46 PM
- - Spectatrix   Yeah, my mistake, just read some more about it. I...   Oct 17 2006, 12:48 PM
- - jwttu   basically foley wrote the law so he knew all the l...   Oct 17 2006, 04:45 PM
|- - Trespass   In past episodes they have been required to use de...   Oct 17 2006, 10:17 PM
- - Trespass   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 01:34 AM)...   Oct 18 2006, 01:08 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Trespass @ Oct 18 2006, 02:08 AM) ...   Oct 18 2006, 07:57 AM
- - chook   Nobody on techsans gets the sex0r anyways!   Oct 18 2006, 02:58 AM
- - Testm0nkey   im just disgusted they show this on television as ...   Oct 18 2006, 08:48 AM
|- - cupcake   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 18 2006, 09:48 AM...   Oct 18 2006, 10:39 AM
- - woody   i remember that one   Oct 18 2006, 09:34 AM
- - Trespass   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 18 2006, 09:35 AM)...   Oct 18 2006, 10:17 AM
- - Testm0nkey   watching pedophiles stalk out someone and walk int...   Oct 18 2006, 11:02 AM
- - Divergent Reality   here get your pedo on.   Oct 18 2006, 11:34 AM
- - woody   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 18 2006, 11:02 AM...   Oct 18 2006, 11:37 AM
- - Spectatrix   Righto, I see where you're coming from. There...   Oct 18 2006, 04:12 PM
- - Trespass   Everyone of these guys needs to be tazered for our...   Oct 18 2006, 04:26 PM
- - Trespass   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Oct 18 2006, 05...   Oct 18 2006, 05:25 PM
- - Divergent Reality   more coming out of the works. lots of odd beans ...   Oct 18 2006, 09:43 PM
- - Rocky   The real tragedy is that 13 year old pussy is even...   Oct 18 2006, 10:18 PM
- - Final_Cut_Guru   It never ceases to amaze me how the american publi...   Oct 18 2006, 10:18 PM
- - Trespass   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 19 2006, 10:28 AM)...   Oct 19 2006, 11:42 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Trespass @ Oct 19 2006, 12:42 PM) ...   Oct 19 2006, 09:57 PM
|- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 19 2006, 10:57 PM)...   Oct 20 2006, 07:51 AM
- - Renegadepeon   So let's say your girlfriend or wife has these...   Oct 20 2006, 10:17 AM
- - lamont's lament   one of the pervs they arrested tonight was wearing...   Feb 20 2007, 08:04 PM
|- - TTUAthleticTrainer   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Feb 20 2007, 08...   Feb 20 2007, 11:26 PM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   One of the guys killed himself instead of being ca...   Feb 20 2007, 09:05 PM
- - Testm0s Boi Toi   haha mustang owners   Feb 20 2007, 09:14 PM
- - psidancer   QUOTE (TTUAthleticTrainer @ Feb 20 2007, 11...   Feb 21 2007, 02:01 PM


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