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Hartmann
post Sep 27 2006, 01:58 PM
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Personally, I am all for this. Let's let the sectarian violence escalate, pull our boys out, let the Iraqis duke it out, and whoever comes out on top, they proved themselves and we just leave it alone.

A civil war does not directly affect this country. It effects the countries in the Middle East and should give them a swift kick in the rear to take part in their surroundings and help.


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The Fanatic
post Sep 28 2006, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 07:51 AM)
Please drop the oil argument. It's nice that your use of buzzwords actually coincided and made a coherent sentence (barely) but oil is not the issue.

First, we already aren't the only superpower in the world. Japan, the UK, Germany, and France all have tremendous pull in this world and as such they can be considered super powers.

Let's take the war for what it is, something that came out of false information and the passing of false information off on American citizens. Our boys are not fighting for a nickel on a gallon of gas.

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Please drop the oil argument. It's nice that your use of buzzwords actually coincided and made a coherent sentence (barely) but oil is not the issue.


What was the issue? I am not saying it was ALL about oil. However, oil played a large roll in the invasion.


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First, we already aren't the only superpower in the world. Japan, the UK, Germany, and France all have tremendous pull in this world and as such they can be considered super powers.


You are correct, this nations do have pull, but that is about all. I can not believe that you would even argue that the United States is not the hemogenic super power that it is. I will even go as far as to say that the United States may be losing its grip on power. But to say that the United States is not the sole super power after the collapse of the Soviet Union is crazy talk. (since when did japan have thousands of nuclear balisitc missiles or a military for that matter)

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Let's take the war for what it is, something that came out of false information and the passing of false information off on American citizens. Our boys are not fighting for a nickel on a gallon of gas.


Of course not. Like I said, the war was not about lower the price of gas. Control of that supply of oil is the key. You may call this conspiracy theory. I will admit that some of it may be exagerated, but the facts do not add up.

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Tell me then, where are the WMDS? Biological, chemical, nuclear weapons are not like a "dime bag", but i do appreciate the analogy. You can't just make those kind of things dissapear. Even if he did have these capabilities (which we know that he did not in 2003), it is clear that we enabled him to have these weapons during the Iraq Iran war in the 1980's. During this time, Saddam was our man in the middle east. A secular ruler who could oppose the fanatical islamic regime of Iran. THESE are the facts.


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- Hartmann   Civil War In Iraq   Sep 27 2006, 01:58 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 27 2006, 02:58 PM)Perso...   Sep 27 2006, 02:05 PM
- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 27 2006, 02:58 PM)Perso...   Sep 27 2006, 02:09 PM
- - Hartmann   I don't remember ever telling the Iraqi's ...   Sep 27 2006, 02:27 PM
- - Psykopath   Isn't that a bit fucked up to let such a count...   Sep 27 2006, 02:30 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Sep 27 2006, 02:30 PM)Isn...   Sep 27 2006, 02:40 PM
- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 27 2006, 03:40 PM)See y...   Sep 27 2006, 02:44 PM
- - Hartmann   It's what we get for living in the ADD nation....   Sep 27 2006, 02:55 PM
- - Spivey   I actually agree with you. The only way to achieve...   Sep 27 2006, 02:56 PM
- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 27 2006, 02:58 PM)Perso...   Sep 27 2006, 02:59 PM
- - Hartmann   I don't think we have to look any further than...   Sep 27 2006, 03:00 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Sep 27 2006, 02:59 PM)Yes, a...   Sep 27 2006, 03:02 PM
- - Spivey   It's not like the Iraqis will not sell their o...   Sep 27 2006, 03:05 PM
- - Testm0nkey   we are getting more of our oil from our hemisphere...   Sep 27 2006, 03:21 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Sep 27 2006, 03:21 PM)we ...   Sep 27 2006, 03:29 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Sep 27 2006, 03:09 PM)So w...   Sep 27 2006, 04:04 PM
- - lamont's lament   screw getting out of the country. if we do that,...   Sep 27 2006, 04:05 PM
- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 27 2006, 04:04 PM)beca...   Sep 27 2006, 04:13 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 27 2006, 04:04 PM)beca...   Sep 27 2006, 04:26 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 27 2006, 05:26 PM)We inva...   Sep 28 2006, 12:28 AM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 27 2006, 05:26 PM)We inva...   Sep 28 2006, 12:32 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 27 2006, 04:26 PM)We inva...   Sep 28 2006, 07:51 AM
- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 07:51 AM)Pleas...   Sep 28 2006, 08:34 AM
- - woody   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 07:51 AM)Let...   Sep 28 2006, 08:35 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Sep 28 2006, 08:34 AM)K...   Sep 28 2006, 08:51 AM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Sep 28 2006, 09:34 AM)K...   Sep 28 2006, 08:55 AM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 07:51 AM)Pleas...   Sep 28 2006, 01:36 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 08:51 AM)There...   Sep 28 2006, 01:38 PM
- - woody   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 01:36 PM)What wa...   Sep 28 2006, 01:46 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (woody @ Sep 28 2006, 01:46 PM)You say ...   Sep 28 2006, 01:48 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 01:48 PM)I just ...   Sep 28 2006, 01:56 PM
- - Jessica   you know, i once felt that the war was about oil. ...   Sep 28 2006, 02:38 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 03:38 PM)you kn...   Sep 28 2006, 05:00 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 28 2006, 01:56 PM)Maybe...   Sep 28 2006, 05:21 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 02:38 PM)you kn...   Sep 28 2006, 05:22 PM
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- - Jessica   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:22 PM)I have ...   Sep 28 2006, 05:26 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:23 PM)Well I ...   Sep 28 2006, 05:26 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 05:26 PM)back u...   Sep 28 2006, 05:27 PM
- - Spivey   If this war was about WMD, WHERE are they?   Sep 28 2006, 05:28 PM
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- - impala454   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:28 PM)If this...   Sep 28 2006, 05:32 PM
- - Spivey   They don't exist   Sep 28 2006, 05:32 PM
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- - impala454   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:32 PM)They do...   Sep 28 2006, 05:33 PM
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- - Divergent Reality   QUOTE (Jessica @ Sep 28 2006, 06:33 PM)Sure, ...   Sep 28 2006, 05:35 PM
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- - Jessica   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:35 PM)Why not...   Sep 28 2006, 05:39 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 28 2006, 06:35 PM)Why not...   Sep 28 2006, 05:39 PM
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