Civil War In Iraq Options

[Hartmann]

Personally, I am all for this. Let's let the sectarian violence escalate, pull our boys out, let the Iraqis duke it out, and whoever comes out on top, they proved themselves and we just leave it alone.

A civil war does not directly affect this country. It effects the countries in the Middle East and should give them a swift kick in the rear to take part in their surroundings and help.

[impala454]

We invaded Iraq as part of the Neo Conservative imperialist agenda. By controlling the flow of oil we not only control its price, but we also control who can buy that oil. As oil demands in china steadily increase, it is in the interest of the United States to keep that oil out of china in order to guarantee our spot as the only super power in the world.

nice buzz words

we went to iraq because saddam had banned the UN armed inspectors he was supposed to allow in. the UN kept taking it up the ass from saddam so we took action.

let me provide a little analogy that makes this more clear. when you get pulled over for suspected drunk driving and are asked to perform a breathalyzer test, you do not have to comply. but you do get a ride downtown.

you guys (along with the countless other conspiracy theorists) can come up with all the awesome conspiracy ideas you want... oil, money, bush's own agenda, but the only real facts are that the official reason we went to war was to go after WMD in Iraq. According to the intelligence in hand, Saddam had chemical and biological weapons and had continued efforts to develop nuclear weapons. The motion to start war on iraq passed 296-133 in the house and 77-23 in the senate. A much higher margin than the previous gulf war.

As far as not finding weapons/supposed intelligence foul ups/etc, there's two possibilities:

a) a conspiracy occured involving 296 house reps, 77 senators, the president and his whole staff, and all major involved intelligence agencies, to pin saddam and give an excuse to go to war in iraq. the reason often gived for this is oil, we want oil so our gas is cheaper... hmm... well that doesn't seem to be the case considering we currently occupy their country and i've never seen higher gas prices.

B) saddam really did have the weapons, and like a high schooler dumping his dime bag when the cops catch him, stalled the UN long enough to get rid of them or hide them really well (hmm one giant desert the size of texas, i'm sure it'd be difficult to hide anything).

if anyone can give me some reason why A makes more sense than B, or what all the conspirators have now gotten out of the deal & what the great plot earned them, i'd be glad to hear it. you see, conspiracies usually involve someone gaining something out of the deal (i.e. Enron CEO scandal). so a quick list of what the involved parties gained would be great (remembering that we've spent $500+ billion already)

an explanation of why the world would be better off with saddam in power would be awesome too.