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post Sep 24 2006, 01:46 PM
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Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Fuels Terror
The conflict spreads extremism and serves as a laboratory for deadly tactics, says a bleak analysis by 16 U.S. intelligence units.
By Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer
September 24, 2006

WASHINGTON — The war in Iraq has made global terrorism worse by fanning Islamic radicalism and providing a training ground for lethal methods that are increasingly being exported to other countries, according to a sweeping assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The classified document, which represents a consensus view of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, paints a considerably bleaker picture of the impact of the Iraq war than Bush administration or U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged publicly, according to officials familiar with the assessment.

"They conclude that the Iraq war has made it worse," said a government official familiar with the document who spoke on condition of anonymity because of its classified nature.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney repeatedly have described the war in Iraq as the central front in the war on terrorism and argue that Americans are safer as a result of the administration's policies.

The report, titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States," was completed and described to U.S. government officials in April but not made public. The document is what is known as a National Intelligence Estimate, or NIE, which is designed to represent the U.S. intelligence community's most comprehensive treatment of a subject.

The 30-page report documents an array of disturbing trends in the war on terrorism and focuses on forces that are contributing to the evolution of Islamic terrorist networks from centralized structures to an increasingly fragmented ideological movement.

"It paints a fairly stark picture of what we all know, and that this is a movement that is spreading and gaining momentum around the world," said the official familiar with the document. "Things like the Iraq war have given the terrorists recruiting tools and places to ply their trade and a training ground."

The official said the estimate touches on a number of factors fueling the jihadist movement, but that "the reference to Iraq was the main one."

A U.S. intelligence official who has seen the document said that many of the report's findings were outlined in a speech in San Antonio in April by Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the former principal deputy director of national intelligence. Hayden has since become director of the CIA.

Hayden did not single out the Iraq war in the speech as a particularly powerful force shaping terrorist networks. But he did acknowledge "the centrality of Iraq" and said the conflict there and how it is portrayed in Islamic media continue to cultivate support for the global jihadist movement.

In that speech, Hayden said that the global jihadist movement "is spreading and adjusting to our counterterrorism efforts, and it is also exploiting the communications revolution, the Internet."

While describing the Al Qaeda terrorist network as still the most dangerous threat to the United States, Hayden said that Islamic activists were increasingly identifying themselves as jihadists, and that they were "increasing in both their number and in their geographic dispersion."

Hayden went on to say how factors fueling the spread of the movement, including "entrenched grievances — corruption, historic injustice, even fear of Western domination — leave many in parts of the Islamic world with feelings of anger and a sense of powerlessness."

The Bush administration has made the case that a democratic government in the Middle East would serve as a beacon to other nations, providing new hope to populations of disaffected Muslims.

"The world is safer because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power," Bush said in his speech to the nation on the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "The safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad." He also said that Americans were "safer, but we are not yet safe" from terrorism.

Bush and Cheney frequently have dismissed suggestions that the U.S. presence in Iraq has inflamed anger toward the United States, arguing that U.S. forces were not in Baghdad on Sept. 11, 2001.

In the run-up to November midterm elections, Republicans in Congress have sought to emphasize their credentials on national security and fighting terrorism, uncoupling those issues from the war in Iraq, which is unpopular with voters.

In public testimony and unclassified documents, U.S. intelligence officials have for several years been pointing to the more troubling consequences of the drawn-out conflict in Iraq. In particular, officials have highlighted the anger that Muslim extremists feel about the U.S. presence in the region — which has also been one of Osama bin Laden's rallying cries.

Intelligence officials have also pointed to the flow of Muslims from other countries, including Europe, to Iraq to join the insurgency. Those who survive the fighting often leave and return to their home countries with dangerous new experience in urban fighting, bomb-making and — perhaps most important — credibility with other potential Muslim recruits.

Last week, the House Intelligence Committee warned in a report that the danger from terrorists faced by the U.S. was "more alarming than the threat that existed" before Sept. 11. The document also warned that Iraq had become a breeding ground for terrorists who might target other countries.

The April intelligence estimate was produced under the direction of David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. Its conclusions were first reported by the New York Times on its website on Saturday.

National Intelligence Estimates are produced by the National Intelligence Council, a group of high-level analysts from government and academic institutions. The council was previously based at the CIA. But following intelligence overhauls passed in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, the council was restructured to report to Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte.


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post Sep 26 2006, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
So, weapon inspectors were not allowed in....but there are no weapons there?

once again (I dunno why this has to be repeated).. why on earth would saddam have not allowed inspectors in if he had none? he played the UN's pussy leaders and bought himself all the time in the world to get rid of them. It's kinda like dazed n confused when the dudes are smokin pot... dad knocks on the door, they don't let him in until they dump it and clean up the smell.

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
But NK is cool without letting them in.

I doubt they'll be "cool" for too long.

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
Saddam was not a threat to us,

this has got to be the most naive common belief on this topic. everybody believes this. why? i have no idea. we ass-raped the man back in the early 90s. then he starts avoiding weapons inspections for WMD. the guy hates us, he kills his own people, whats to stop him from trying to put together some WMD to kill us??

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
he wanted to keep power and he would not do that by attacking an ally of ours.

what??? he already did this... why would he not ever do it again?

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
most of hte "terrorists" now in Iraq are from syria or neighboring countries, which strangely afghanistan is not.

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
NOW AL QUEDA IS THERE AFTER WE INVADED

?? so which is it?

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
BY INVADING, WE GAVE THE TERRORISTS A NEW FRONT TO ATTACK US ON

Oh that's wonderful... lets avoid all contact with the outside world. If the UK gets invaded lets not go help them, we wouldn't want to put troops closer to the terrorists. WW2 was a huge mistake... we gave germany easier access to kill our troops rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
AND GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO RECRUIT MORE PEOPLE IN IRAQ

how the hell does us invading Iraq give al-qaeda the ability to recruit in iraq? this makes absolutely no sense.

QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)
you have a hard time listening so i will type in caps so its easier to read....

caps are harder to read (and much more annoying). they also don't make you smarter.
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- pebkac   War in Iraq helped terrorists   Sep 24 2006, 01:46 PM
- - Dogmeat   The way I look at it is this: If we wouldn't ...   Sep 24 2006, 02:05 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Sep 24 2006, 02:05 PM)The wa...   Sep 24 2006, 03:34 PM
- - Timbo   Dude, fucking duh. Timbo   Sep 24 2006, 04:44 PM
- - lamont's lament   an optimist would say that the war helped stimulat...   Sep 24 2006, 05:29 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Sep 24 2006, 05:...   Sep 24 2006, 05:40 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 24 2006, 06:40 PM)War usu...   Sep 24 2006, 05:42 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 24 2006, 05:42 PM)Just no...   Sep 24 2006, 05:50 PM
- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Spivey @ Sep 24 2006, 06:40 PM)War usu...   Sep 24 2006, 07:02 PM
- - Testm0nkey   this isnt a new revelation   Sep 24 2006, 07:13 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Sep 24 2006, 07:13 PM)THE...   Sep 25 2006, 12:45 PM
- - impala454   it's funny how their main source is: QUOTE ...   Sep 25 2006, 02:28 PM
- - Testm0nkey   destroying the way of life in a country breeds ter...   Sep 25 2006, 03:36 PM
- - schwab   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 25 2006, 02:28 PM)I do...   Sep 25 2006, 04:08 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 25 2006, 05:08 PM)there a...   Sep 25 2006, 04:54 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 25 2006, 05:54 PM)I wa...   Sep 25 2006, 04:56 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (pebkac @ Sep 25 2006, 05:56 PM)I thoug...   Sep 26 2006, 10:13 AM
- - chook   The problem is that Saddamn wasn't down with A...   Sep 26 2006, 11:21 AM
- - schwab   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 25 2006, 04:54 PM)I wa...   Sep 26 2006, 11:31 AM
- - Testm0nkey   BUT IM FROM TEXAS   Sep 26 2006, 11:36 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (schwab @ Sep 26 2006, 12:31 PM)So, wea...   Sep 26 2006, 01:04 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 26 2006, 01:04 PM)once...   Sep 26 2006, 01:22 PM
- - Jessica   I dont know if this has anything to do with this t...   Sep 26 2006, 05:59 PM
- - Spivey   QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 26 2006, 01:04 PM) QUO...   Sep 26 2006, 06:06 PM


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