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Hartmann
post Jul 26 2006, 07:01 PM
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http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/07/26/3...oks-living-wage

Will be a good case study on whether or not the minimum wage should be raised.


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post Jul 29 2006, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 28 2006, 09:31 AM)
Poverty for an individual is defined as $9,800/yr. Yeah, that sucks, but it's still possible to live on those wages. You wouldn't be able to afford a car unless you were just doing liability insurance on it, but it's not impossible. You get an efficiency apartment, buy cheap groceries, don't go out to eat, and watch your utility usage.

let me lay out some math here that i think is reasonable.

minimum wage equals out to $10,712 a year without any deductings or ss being taken out

lets say rent is $250/mo for an efficiency....thats $3k/yr

water is $20/mo so $240/yr

electricity at $80/mo is $960 which is a light estimate because i hardly ever use AC and mine is $106/mo

to eat healthy, my estimate is $30/wk for food so thats $1440/yr

laundry for 2 loads a week would be $192/yr

clothes we will say $60 every 2 months... $360/yr

transportation... i dont know what a bus pass costs these days, but we will just say $200/yr

extra odds and ends like cleaning supplies and shampoo etc we will alot $200/yr for

total so far $6592

now, my guess the actual take home on minimum wage is closer to about $9,00.

So here is what we have left over $2408.

Health insurance is a must these days. Most minimum wage jobs offer more expensive health care so they are looking at about $60/2 wks of deductions. Thats $1440/yr. What about co-payments and prescriptions. If they go to the doctors 4/yr and the co-pay is $25 and they need a $20 prescription each time thats an additional $180/yr.

Now, we have $788 left over which seems like a lot, but is not for an entire year of work. If a person were to get cable, almost half of that would be gone.


in other words, yeah, its livable but only for the absolute bare minimum...they wont be able to buy birthday or christmas gifts, get internet, have a car, pay tithe if they go to church, give to charities, or buy something like a vacuum cleaner, much less have a savings because lets face it, that $788 will go to some type of necessity whether it be stamps, a cell phone bill, or something else. Ummm what kind of life is that? Has anyone here ever worked at a fast food restaraunt? it fucking sucks. Its pretty hard work, like always moving and always hustling. I dont know many of people like you and me that could do it because its frustrating work. You smell all the time and get sweaty. So are we saying that just because you dont have to have any prior skills it shouldnt pay much. I can think of several jobs that any joe could do that pay a lot better. But no, people like impala say that only potheads and junkies work those places. No, people who desperately need a job work there too.
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- Hartmann   Living Wage OK'd in Chicago   Jul 26 2006, 07:01 PM
- - Psykopath   WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! J/K Yeah, this...   Jul 26 2006, 07:08 PM
- - chook   it said their average pay is 11 an hour, probably ...   Jul 26 2006, 07:46 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jul 26 2006, 08:08 PM)WORK...   Jul 26 2006, 08:09 PM
- - prefix   Man fuck wal-mart. Anytime something happens that ...   Jul 26 2006, 08:10 PM
- - Jessica   it wont only be walmart that is going to bitch abo...   Jul 26 2006, 08:12 PM
- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (prefix @ Jul 26 2006, 08:10 PM)Man fuc...   Jul 26 2006, 09:05 PM
- - dauss   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 26 2006, 08:12 PM)it won...   Jul 26 2006, 10:19 PM
- - chook   As for the car companies, I think they all pay bet...   Jul 26 2006, 10:29 PM
- - dauss   Plus the poor fucked themselves. Maybe they drop...   Jul 26 2006, 10:43 PM
- - woody   dunno if i like the idea QUOTE It would only appl...   Jul 26 2006, 11:56 PM
- - M1N10N   QUOTE (dauss @ Jul 26 2006, 10:19 PM)If I rem...   Jul 27 2006, 07:11 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (dauss @ Jul 26 2006, 11:43 PM)Plus the...   Jul 27 2006, 07:38 AM
- - Spectatrix   Well they got some of their facts wrong. Albuquer...   Jul 27 2006, 10:43 AM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 27 2006, 08:38 AM)bing...   Jul 27 2006, 05:25 PM
- - chook   State Tax is a land tax in our state. Most rich p...   Jul 27 2006, 05:57 PM
- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 27 2006, 05:25 PM)you tw...   Jul 27 2006, 07:55 PM
- - prefix   QUOTE And these are the people having the most kid...   Jul 27 2006, 10:10 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 27 2006, 08:55 PM)Tha...   Jul 27 2006, 11:36 PM
- - woody   also if you live below the poverty line you usuall...   Jul 27 2006, 11:59 PM
- - M1N10N   QUOTE (prefix @ Jul 27 2006, 10:10 PM)Yes, le...   Jul 28 2006, 06:47 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (prefix @ Jul 27 2006, 11:10 PM)Yet ano...   Jul 28 2006, 07:29 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (prefix @ Jul 27 2006, 11:10 PM)Yes, le...   Jul 28 2006, 07:31 AM
- - impala454   bottom line here people is with all the welfare, f...   Jul 28 2006, 07:43 AM
- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 27 2006, 11:36 PM)regard...   Jul 28 2006, 08:31 AM
- - woody   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 28 2006, 08:31 AM)Any...   Jul 28 2006, 08:34 AM
- - Spectatrix   You think it doesn't happen? Fast food compani...   Jul 28 2006, 08:36 AM
- - woody   .....it's a quote from Coming to America...Lou...   Jul 28 2006, 08:45 AM
- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (woody @ Jul 28 2006, 08:45 AM).....it...   Jul 28 2006, 12:49 PM
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- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 28 2006, 08:43 AM)In f...   Jul 28 2006, 08:47 PM
- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 28 2006, 07:43 AM)bott...   Jul 29 2006, 02:11 AM
- - Spectatrix   Would you mind elaborating, Cathryn?   Jul 29 2006, 08:02 AM
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- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 30 2006, 08:05 PM)i have...   Jul 30 2006, 09:40 PM
- - Jim   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 30 2006, 04:37 PM)I have...   Jul 30 2006, 09:40 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 30 2006, 10:40 PM)So, you...   Jul 30 2006, 09:52 PM
- - Jim   You don't have to buy a newspaper to read it. ...   Jul 30 2006, 10:02 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 30 2006, 11:02 PM)You don...   Jul 30 2006, 10:11 PM
- - Spectatrix   You're right in that regard, Jessica. The min...   Jul 30 2006, 11:37 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 31 2006, 12:37 AM)You...   Jul 30 2006, 11:44 PM
- - woody   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 30 2006, 03:29 PM)I d...   Jul 31 2006, 12:00 AM
- - woody   QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 30 2006, 10:02 PM)You don...   Jul 31 2006, 12:05 AM
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- - FORSAKENR320   it doesn't seem like too many people on here k...   Jul 31 2006, 06:28 AM
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- - Jessica   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jul 31 2006, 07:28 AM)i...   Jul 31 2006, 07:00 AM
- - impala454   I give about as much sympathy to poor people cryin...   Jul 31 2006, 07:52 AM
- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 31 2006, 07:52 AM)Some...   Jul 31 2006, 10:20 AM
- - chook   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 31 2006, 10:20 AM)Yea...   Jul 31 2006, 12:26 PM
- - Renegadepeon   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 31 2006, 07:52 AM)Some...   Jul 31 2006, 02:24 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Jul 31 2006, 03:24 PM)I...   Jul 31 2006, 02:47 PM
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- - Jim   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 31 2006, 04:49 PM)I work...   Jul 31 2006, 07:06 PM
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- - Jim   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Jul 31 2006, 06:28 PM)J...   Jul 31 2006, 07:41 PM
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