The problems with the military tribunal thing... Options

[Hartmann]

Alright, my issue with the Supreme Court saying that we have to follow the Geneva Convention is that the Convention documents have not really been updated to deal with modern warfare. It mentions torture, but doesn't say what torture is. Is solitary confinement torture? I wouldn't think so, but some do.

There was an article about a Canadian teen who was captured in Afghanistan after killing an Army Medic (as in, they saw him do it). The teen was told threats of being sent to a foreign country for torture, sleep deprived, and put in solitary confinement. To me, none of those sound that bad. Granted they did make him wipe up his own urine which wasn't right, but the other stuff sounds like simple interrogation practices.

I just don't see where we draw the line. Pretty soon we're going to be giving these guys cable tv with link ups to Al-Jazeera and computers.

[pebkac]

so you like...really....kinda know jack shit about the way this shit works huh?

fuck dude, our own troops endure sleep dep, starvation, mental anguish, etc...

not just in the military brigs either.

go to ranger school, sere, bud/s, sfas/sfqc, soi, or hell any infantry unit operating in a red zone and see how much fuckin sleep and chow you get.

your argument, not to your own fault, is typical bleeding-heart talking out your ass bullshit. it's what you've been fed by the media and this pussified pc society we have.

the fact these guys aren't uniformed or committed to a country we can deal with (like germany) is reason alone the geneva convention should not even apply. much less the bill of rights (last I checked they weren't american citizens).

so what do you suggest? letting them go? so they can just try even harder to kill us. that sounds splendid.

you might bring up "the moral high ground"...well partner, even if we sleep dep and feed them one crappy meal a day, we are still taking the moral high ground over their penchant for head lopping...

Military training is meant to train our troops. It's one thing to submit them to that as a training exercise, but it's a whole different thing entirely to submit someone to that in order to extract info out of them.

Secondly, I never suggested that we just let them go free. But on the other hand, we can't just keep them in a legal blackhole. They have to be subjected to some sort of trial to determine first of all whether they're terrorists at all.

Lastly, not only is it morally right of us to not torture them, it's logically consistent. How can we criticize Middle Eastern countries for human rights violations and then submit them to violations of the very rights we claim to uphold?