The problems with the military tribunal thing... Options

[Hartmann]

Alright, my issue with the Supreme Court saying that we have to follow the Geneva Convention is that the Convention documents have not really been updated to deal with modern warfare. It mentions torture, but doesn't say what torture is. Is solitary confinement torture? I wouldn't think so, but some do.

There was an article about a Canadian teen who was captured in Afghanistan after killing an Army Medic (as in, they saw him do it). The teen was told threats of being sent to a foreign country for torture, sleep deprived, and put in solitary confinement. To me, none of those sound that bad. Granted they did make him wipe up his own urine which wasn't right, but the other stuff sounds like simple interrogation practices.

I just don't see where we draw the line. Pretty soon we're going to be giving these guys cable tv with link ups to Al-Jazeera and computers.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

I would say that anything we wouldn't do to our own prisoners is torture. Would we put them in solitary confinement? Yes. Would we deprive them of sleep? No. Would we threaten to send them to another country to be tortured? No.

Remember, just because they're not being physically abused doesn't mean it's not torture. Besides that, what are we trying to learn from these guys? They've been in Gitmo for years. Any info they do have is going to be so old it's not going to be useful anymore.

so you like...really....kinda know jack shit about the way this shit works huh?

fuck dude, our own troops endure sleep dep, starvation, mental anguish, etc...

not just in the military brigs either.

go to ranger school, sere, bud/s, sfas/sfqc, soi, or hell any infantry unit operating in a red zone and see how much fuckin sleep and chow you get.

your argument, not to your own fault, is typical bleeding-heart talking out your ass bullshit. it's what you've been fed by the media and this pussified pc society we have.

the fact these guys aren't uniformed or committed to a country we can deal with (like germany) is reason alone the geneva convention should not even apply. much less the bill of rights (last I checked they weren't american citizens).

so what do you suggest? letting them go? so they can just try even harder to kill us. that sounds splendid.

you might bring up "the moral high ground"...well partner, even if we sleep dep and feed them one crappy meal a day, we are still taking the moral high ground over their penchant for head lopping...