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celebritygooner
post Jul 3 2006, 11:52 PM
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A federal judge in California has ordered the US Navy to temporarily stop using sonar equipment because it might harm whales and other sea mammals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5143698.stm

I've seen many clashes between business and environmental interests, but I've never heard of environmentalists clashing with the military and actually winning. Is this a good thing?
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Hartmann
post Jul 5 2006, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 09:23 AM)
also you would think that since this is an annual exercise (the largest one of its specific kind...which is a lot of sub-ops...not just hunting, but in our case deploying raiders from sub silos)...that after 20+ goddamn years they would have been able to gather enough quantitative evidence on the hazards of sonar. I mean you'd think by now that you'd see a slew of blue whales corpses floating ashore on waikiki or some shit...

Exactly... Active sonar has been heavily used for years (since somewhere around 1970) and we're just now seeing the effects?? BS.


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- celebritygooner   US Naval Exercise   Jul 3 2006, 11:52 PM
- - Overlord   The Navy uses different types of sonars (active/L...   Jul 3 2006, 11:57 PM
- - celebritygooner   I'm very nervous about civilians who aren...   Jul 4 2006, 12:07 AM
- - Overlord   It's not right for the U.S. Department of Defe...   Jul 4 2006, 12:16 AM
- - chook   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 4 2006, 12:16 AM)It...   Jul 4 2006, 01:28 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 4 2006, 01:07 AM...   Jul 4 2006, 09:15 AM
- - pysex   so they don't know if the sonar actually harms...   Jul 4 2006, 09:41 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (pysex @ Jul 4 2006, 10:41 AM)so they d...   Jul 4 2006, 09:46 AM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 09:46 AM)a tempor...   Jul 4 2006, 10:10 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (pysex @ Jul 4 2006, 09:41 AM)so they d...   Jul 4 2006, 10:24 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 4 2006, 11:10 AM...   Jul 4 2006, 10:58 AM
- - Hartmann   So if they're out in international waters they...   Jul 4 2006, 11:01 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jul 4 2006, 12:01 PM)So if ...   Jul 4 2006, 11:04 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 11:04 AM)The spec...   Jul 4 2006, 11:08 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jul 4 2006, 12:08 PM)But ho...   Jul 4 2006, 11:11 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 11:11 AM)Well, if...   Jul 4 2006, 11:12 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jul 4 2006, 12:12 PM)Countr...   Jul 4 2006, 11:15 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 11:15 AM)That...   Jul 4 2006, 11:19 AM
- - Overlord   The Navy submarines are like little outposts of Am...   Jul 4 2006, 11:22 AM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jul 4 2006, 12:19 PM)I unde...   Jul 4 2006, 11:46 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 11:46 AM)And I wo...   Jul 4 2006, 11:58 AM
- - pysex   The only animals that are affected by sonar would ...   Jul 4 2006, 12:25 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 4 2006, 11:58 AM)Plus ...   Jul 4 2006, 12:27 PM
- - GhostofTHECHICKEN   its been past precident that the courts have alway...   Jul 4 2006, 03:26 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (pysex @ Jul 4 2006, 01:25 PM)The only ...   Jul 4 2006, 03:52 PM
- - Psykopath   BETTER NOT MAKE HIM MAD   Jul 4 2006, 03:56 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 11:46 AM)I wouldn...   Jul 4 2006, 04:38 PM
- - Overlord   QUOTE If submarines don't threaten dolphins, w...   Jul 4 2006, 04:44 PM
- - celebritygooner   The best cans of tuna have little chunks of dolphi...   Jul 4 2006, 05:03 PM
- - Overlord   Dude, your reply post to mine didn't even addr...   Jul 4 2006, 05:05 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 4 2006, 05:38 PM...   Jul 4 2006, 05:05 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 4 2006, 05:05 PM)Dude,...   Jul 4 2006, 05:14 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jul 4 2006, 05:05 PM)Please.Ã...   Jul 4 2006, 05:15 PM
- - Renegadepeon   Celebrity....the sky isn't falling.   Jul 4 2006, 05:20 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Jul 4 2006, 05:20 PM)Ce...   Jul 4 2006, 05:24 PM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 4 2006, 05:14 PM...   Jul 4 2006, 05:26 PM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 4 2006, 05:24 PM...   Jul 4 2006, 05:33 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 4 2006, 05:26 PM)How d...   Jul 4 2006, 05:39 PM
- - Overlord   I have no problem with the military, but I think t...   Jul 4 2006, 05:41 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 4 2006, 05:33 PM)Why a...   Jul 4 2006, 05:42 PM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 4 2006, 05:42 PM...   Jul 4 2006, 05:44 PM
- - lamont's lament   way to blow his argument way out of proportion, do...   Jul 4 2006, 05:46 PM
- - Psykopath   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Jul 4 2006, 06:4...   Jul 4 2006, 05:56 PM
- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jul 4 2006, 06:56 PM) ?...   Jul 4 2006, 05:57 PM
- - Overlord   why would i ban anyone in this thread, i totally o...   Jul 4 2006, 05:59 PM
- - Jessica   GIGGLEZ   Jul 4 2006, 06:04 PM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 4 2006, 06:04 PM)GIGGLEZ   Jul 4 2006, 06:05 PM
- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 4 2006, 07:04 PM)GIGGLEZ   Jul 4 2006, 06:06 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 4 2006, 05:44 PM)Check...   Jul 4 2006, 06:14 PM
- - Jessica   a wise man once told me "LOLZ ROFFLEZ thanks ...   Jul 4 2006, 06:19 PM
- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 4 2006, 07:19 PM)a wise ...   Jul 4 2006, 06:19 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Jul 4 2006, 07:1...   Jul 4 2006, 06:21 PM
- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 4 2006, 07:21 PM)is the ...   Jul 4 2006, 06:23 PM
- - Jessica   FAT PEOPLE   Jul 4 2006, 06:24 PM
- - lamont's lament   QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 4 2006, 07:24 PM)FAT PEO...   Jul 4 2006, 06:24 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Jul 4 2006, 07:2...   Jul 4 2006, 06:25 PM
- - Jyan   The whales should mount a counterattack!   Jul 4 2006, 09:44 PM
- - pysex   I think I would be in agreement with a judge's...   Jul 4 2006, 11:27 PM
- - celebritygooner   nicely put.   Jul 5 2006, 03:52 AM
- - CANNONBALL   whoa whoa wait...they're considering canc...   Jul 5 2006, 09:19 AM
- - CANNONBALL   also you would think that since this is an annual ...   Jul 5 2006, 09:23 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 09:23 AM)also...   Jul 5 2006, 09:30 AM
- - Overlord   If it harms human snorklers you don't think it...   Jul 5 2006, 09:41 AM
- - Hartmann   So how far do the whales have to be from the boats...   Jul 5 2006, 09:47 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jul 5 2006, 09:47 AM)So how...   Jul 5 2006, 09:48 AM
- - CANNONBALL   QUOTE She could barely talk, had difficulties in e...   Jul 5 2006, 09:50 AM
- - CANNONBALL   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 5 2006, 09:48 AM)If wh...   Jul 5 2006, 09:51 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 09:50 AM)I...   Jul 5 2006, 09:51 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 09:51 AM)LMFA...   Jul 5 2006, 09:51 AM
- - CANNONBALL   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 5 2006, 09:51 AM)She w...   Jul 5 2006, 09:52 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 09:52 AM)I kn...   Jul 5 2006, 09:53 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 5 2006, 09:48 AM)If wh...   Jul 5 2006, 09:55 AM
- - pysex   I still don't like any of this. Humans are des...   Jul 5 2006, 10:23 AM
- - Psykopath   since when did four failed missles = a shitton of ...   Jul 5 2006, 01:01 PM
- - pysex   i'm saying shitton because frankly i have no i...   Jul 5 2006, 03:44 PM
- - Overlord   ghey   Jul 5 2006, 03:49 PM
- - impala454   who gives a shit about whales the hippies only ca...   Jul 5 2006, 04:16 PM
- - celebritygooner   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jul 5 2006, 01:01 PM)since...   Jul 5 2006, 06:14 PM
- - Psykopath   QUOTE (celebritygooner @ Jul 5 2006, 07:14 PM...   Jul 5 2006, 11:03 PM
- - Hartmann   Maybe we should pay more attention to the people w...   Jul 6 2006, 07:20 AM
- - CANNONBALL   from my buddy... ________________ I don't real...   Jul 6 2006, 08:29 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 6 2006, 08:29 AM)from...   Jul 6 2006, 08:43 AM
- - CANNONBALL   yeah I guess it is... I'm a rock.   Jul 6 2006, 10:19 AM
- - Hartmann   Sounds like the issue has been settled. The Navy c...   Jul 7 2006, 10:31 PM


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