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Spectatrix
post Apr 3 2006, 11:07 PM
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All of us are Firefox users! Except for Dogmeat. Because he's an IE LOSER!


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impala454
post Apr 5 2006, 12:52 PM
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lemme explain a little something about how windows works.

every windows application with a user interface has window handles. it's a pointer to memory that contains information about that window. when you start an application it starts up in its own process, meaning it has its own memory space. the entire application and overhead fires up and you have your inital window handles. window handles take up memory, obviously.

now when you fire up ie or firefox or any other application this is what happens. if I go to firefox -> file -> new window, the firefox application creates a new window handle using windows api calls (there's no special "firefox" window api). that new window handle's memory is contained within the same memory space allocated to firefox.exe, as will any window created by firefox. now the tab will be different, because it doesn't create a new window handle, hence there will be less overhead. it looks as though when you run firefox.exe manually again while it's open, firefox simply sees that it's already running and assumes you wanted to create a new window, and your existing firefox.exe process creates the new window handle. ie on the other hand just starts up a new process with its own memory. this is the only difference in the windows api calls of these two browsers.

is one better? that all depends on how you want to see it. the windows swap space on a typical computer is anywhere from 500MB-2GB nowadays, with new processes of either browser not taking up that much space, so the problem lies when something crashes. if you have a process crash, anything in that process's memory is gone, including all window handles. so in either browser, if you're opening new windows in the same process and one particular page barf your browser, all your browser windows are gone, whereas if they were in seperate processes they would not affect each other. in other words, it's more stable, but takes up more memory.

i'm not tryin to be an asshole here, just tryin to explain how the shit works for those that take all the propaganda at face value. I honestly don't really prefer one browser over the other. I've tried them all out and to me it just displays a damn webpage, whether it's IE, Firefox, Opera, whatever. I simply use IE mostly because it's already on the comp.
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- Spectatrix   Firefox vs. IE   Apr 3 2006, 11:07 PM
- - Dogmeat   I ran firefox for a few months and there were some...   Apr 3 2006, 11:09 PM
- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Apr 3 2006, 11:09 PM)I ran f...   Apr 4 2006, 08:12 AM
- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Apr 4 2006, 09:12 AM)What...   Apr 4 2006, 09:49 AM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Apr 4 2006, 10:49 AM)It...   Apr 4 2006, 03:36 PM
- - impala454   the ie currently in beta has tabbed browsing. i...   Apr 4 2006, 04:11 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 4 2006, 04:11 PM)the i...   Apr 4 2006, 05:13 PM
- - leg   I use opera, it has tab browsing also; i like the ...   Apr 4 2006, 06:04 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 4 2006, 06:13 PM)Multip...   Apr 4 2006, 06:16 PM
- - zetec   i'm surprised that the fact that ie runs anybo...   Apr 4 2006, 06:58 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 4 2006, 06:58 PM)i'm s...   Apr 4 2006, 07:23 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 4 2006, 06:13 PM)Multip...   Apr 5 2006, 08:42 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 4 2006, 07:16 PM)yeah, m...   Apr 5 2006, 08:43 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 08:42 AM)Ie do...   Apr 5 2006, 09:27 AM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 4 2006, 06:58 PM)it's ...   Apr 5 2006, 09:28 AM
- - danwashere   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2006, 09:27 AM)I dunn...   Apr 5 2006, 09:43 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (danwashere @ Apr 5 2006, 09:43 AM)LOL ...   Apr 5 2006, 09:51 AM
- - Spectatrix   It's well-known that Firefox has a bigger memo...   Apr 5 2006, 09:55 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2006, 10:27 AM)I dunn...   Apr 5 2006, 10:36 AM
- - Overlord   If you open Internet Explorer by launching the exe...   Apr 5 2006, 10:49 AM
- - zetec   QUOTE (danwashere @ Apr 5 2006, 09:43 AM)LOL ...   Apr 5 2006, 11:36 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Lancifer @ Apr 5 2006, 10:49 AM)If you...   Apr 5 2006, 11:53 AM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Apr 5 2006, 10:55 AM)It...   Apr 5 2006, 12:13 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2006, 12:53 PM)Exactl...   Apr 5 2006, 12:14 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 12:14 PM)force...   Apr 5 2006, 12:32 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2006, 01:32 PM)Actual...   Apr 5 2006, 12:34 PM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 12:34 PM)You c...   Apr 5 2006, 12:36 PM
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- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 12:37 PM)they...   Apr 5 2006, 12:41 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 12:34 PM)You c...   Apr 5 2006, 12:42 PM
- - Overlord   RE: Firefox vs. IE   Apr 5 2006, 12:43 PM
- - impala454   lemme explain a little something about how windows...   Apr 5 2006, 12:52 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Apr 5 2006, 01:41 PM)explor...   Apr 5 2006, 12:55 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 01:42 PM)fool, eve...   Apr 5 2006, 12:55 PM
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- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:13 PM)really? b...   Apr 5 2006, 01:16 PM
- - Jessica   case and point   Apr 5 2006, 01:16 PM
- - impala454   uh... ok   Apr 5 2006, 01:17 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 01:16 PM)you d...   Apr 5 2006, 01:18 PM
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- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:18 PM)okay, by ...   Apr 5 2006, 01:20 PM
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- - Jessica   QUOTE (jwttu @ Apr 5 2006, 02:20 PM)just curi...   Apr 5 2006, 01:21 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:21 PM)yeah you ...   Apr 5 2006, 01:21 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (jwttu @ Apr 5 2006, 01:20 PM)just curi...   Apr 5 2006, 01:23 PM
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- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:23 PM)RIGHT FUC...   Apr 5 2006, 01:26 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 5 2006, 02:23 PM)No, but...   Apr 5 2006, 01:28 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 12:14 PM)iexpl...   Apr 5 2006, 01:29 PM
- - Overlord   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 01:23 PM)in a nuts...   Apr 5 2006, 01:29 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:29 PM)FAIL nev...   Apr 5 2006, 01:31 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 01:28 PM)LOL n...   Apr 5 2006, 01:31 PM
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- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 02:28 PM)LOL n...   Apr 5 2006, 01:37 PM
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- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 01:36 PM)so fr...   Apr 5 2006, 01:40 PM
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- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 5 2006, 02:37 PM)my subt...   Apr 5 2006, 01:43 PM
- - Overlord   RE: Firefox vs. IE   Apr 5 2006, 01:44 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 01:43 PM)So by...   Apr 5 2006, 01:45 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:40 PM)ITS A GOD...   Apr 5 2006, 01:49 PM
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- - impala454   Jessica Zetec QUOTE (Jessica @ Apr 5 2006, 0...   Apr 5 2006, 01:52 PM
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- - John6.7   Just posting to see what will happen... I use IE ...   Apr 5 2006, 01:56 PM
- - moebary   QUOTE (John6.7 @ Apr 5 2006, 01:56 PM)Just po...   Apr 5 2006, 01:56 PM
- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 02:50 PM)no yo...   Apr 5 2006, 01:57 PM
- - zetec   QUOTE (impala454 @ Apr 5 2006, 01:55 PM)zetec...   Apr 5 2006, 01:57 PM
- - impala454   QUOTE (zetec @ Apr 5 2006, 02:57 PM)no, it me...   Apr 5 2006, 01:59 PM
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- - Throwdown   i'm not reading all this shit. why does firef...   Apr 5 2006, 02:12 PM
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