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Hartmann
post Jun 2 2009, 07:17 AM
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I just finished "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. He basically rips apart the idea of "nutrionism" pointing out that things like omega-3 pills are nowhere close to as good for you as just eating fish. How beta-carotene pills that were touted to prevent cancer actually cause it.

His whole point is that if we eat food we should eat mostly plants and not too much. He cites the French, the Italians, the Japanese and how their diets are completely different from each other but they're still healthier than us.


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impala454
post Jun 3 2009, 08:00 AM
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So explain to me exactly how a can of carrots with no salt added is different nutritionally than some fresh carrots you brought home and boiled yourself. How exactly do they "remove a compound" from the carrot? Your example is that beta-carotene tablets are bad for you... that's completely irrelevant even if it is true. We're not talking about taking OTC vitamin tablets, we're talking about whether a canned food is "dangerous" or less nutritious than something you're cooking at home.

The only thing I'm getting from you guys is "there's added salt/sugar" or "they add stuff/take away stuff". Give me an example of what you're talking about. You can buy canned/frozen/processed foods which have no salt/sugar added. Not to mention most people tend to add some salt during the cooking process anyways.

It seems to me yall are blaming the process and/or weird chemical names for nutritional differences, even though the nutrition as stated on the label may be identical to the fresh food. Hard to compare, yes, given that fresh foods tend to not have nutrition labels. But if you're going to claim that they're dangerous or different nutriontally in some way, you need to make the direct comparison. To me, the difference is not as obvious as it seems to yall.

edit: and sorry for derailing the thread... prob should split this off
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- Hartmann   Eating Healthy   Jun 2 2009, 07:17 AM
- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 2 2009, 08:17 AM) I...   Jun 2 2009, 09:59 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jun 2 2009, 10:59 AM)...   Jun 2 2009, 01:54 PM
- - Spectatrix   Currently reading "The Atheist's Way...   Jun 2 2009, 10:07 AM
- - impala454   Nice review Christine... Good to see people writi...   Jun 2 2009, 10:27 AM
- - Spectatrix   I think most nutritional fads are unintentionally ...   Jun 2 2009, 02:00 PM
- - impala454   I don't really understand the perceived benefi...   Jun 2 2009, 02:36 PM
- - Spectatrix   I think the main downside to processed foods is al...   Jun 2 2009, 03:56 PM
- - impala454   Eh I don't see how sitting on a shelf in a can...   Jun 2 2009, 04:42 PM
- - Spectatrix   Like I said, the main "danger" of proces...   Jun 2 2009, 06:05 PM
- - impala454   Well like I said, you look at at the label. It ju...   Jun 2 2009, 11:11 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 3 2009, 12:11 AM) ...   Jun 3 2009, 06:50 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jun 2 2009, 04:56 PM)...   Jun 3 2009, 06:39 AM
- - impala454   So explain to me exactly how a can of carrots with...   Jun 3 2009, 08:00 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 3 2009, 09:00 AM) ...   Jun 3 2009, 08:19 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 3 2009, 09:19 AM) H...   Jun 3 2009, 10:05 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 3 2009, 11:05 AM) ...   Jun 3 2009, 10:17 AM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 3 2009, 11:17 AM) A...   Jun 3 2009, 10:20 AM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jun 3 2009, 11:20 AM)...   Jun 3 2009, 10:23 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 3 2009, 11:17 AM) E...   Jun 3 2009, 12:28 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 3 2009, 01:28 PM) ...   Jun 3 2009, 01:01 PM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 3 2009, 02:01 PM) Y...   Jun 3 2009, 03:56 PM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 3 2009, 04:56 PM) ...   Jun 4 2009, 06:33 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 4 2009, 07:33 AM) B...   Jun 4 2009, 07:43 AM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 4 2009, 08:43 AM) ...   Jun 4 2009, 08:16 AM
||- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jun 4 2009, 09:16 AM) N...   Jun 4 2009, 09:09 AM
||- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:09 AM) ...   Jun 4 2009, 09:32 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jun 3 2009, 01:28 PM) ...   Jun 3 2009, 01:10 PM
- - Spectatrix   Dude, we're mostly agreeing with you. If you ...   Jun 3 2009, 10:17 AM
- - Hartmann   Also, last night I went to the grocery store to fi...   Jun 4 2009, 06:38 AM
- - impala454   That'd be cool... I am just curious to see som...   Jun 4 2009, 10:07 PM
- - Spectatrix   Didn't see your reply until this morning. I...   Jun 5 2009, 08:32 AM
- - impala454   I can agree with the premise you mention for the b...   Jun 5 2009, 09:20 AM
- - impala454   Oh and also, I'm curious, do you take your own...   Jun 5 2009, 09:24 AM
- - Spectatrix   Yeah, I have a monitor at home, though I don't...   Jun 5 2009, 10:40 AM
- - Spectatrix   Little late on this, sorry. Here's a quote fr...   Jun 6 2009, 06:56 PM
- - impala454   I'm sure the study goes into the detail I...   Jun 6 2009, 09:10 PM
- - Spectatrix   I completely agree. Complex packaged foods like t...   Jun 6 2009, 09:54 PM


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