Impala/Oasis BitchFest 2009, Someone call the waahbulance! Options

[Oasis]

BTW don't buy this game, but especially don't buy the expansion pack. It's a fucking joke.

You wanna know why you never get laid? You're a whiny bitch. Seriously. We get you don't like the fucking game. Give it a rest already, nancy boy

[Dogmeat]

You wanna know why you never get laid? You're a whiny bitch. Seriously. We get you don't like the fucking game. Give it a rest already, nancy boy

I'm going to drive to texas and kill you.

[impala454]

Are you friggin kidding me Christine? Come on you're an engineer, why don't you quantify the data you posted and think about it. That number given is problems per 100 vehicles in the first 90 days. So Jaguar scored a 1.12 problems per vehicle, whereas Honda scored a 1.10. Gimme a break. Does this mean you're going to have 0.02 more problems with a Jag on average, so you should buy a Honda instead?

It certainly doesn't help qualify the unfounded, generalized Cathryn-like (see I explained it again Will) statements Will was making like "Better gas mileage, better build quality, and last 1.5x as long as American garbage", or your comment that "Ford is decent, but GM and Chrysler suck". When you say that it's your view of the company & the bailouts clouding your judgement. It has nothing to do with vehicle quality. Hell, look at the other findings in that report, the domestic trucks swept their categories altogether. And the absolute maximum difference between first and last is 0.8. Not even a whole number. So if you buy a Jeep instead of a Porcshe, there's a good chance there might be two problems instead of one...

These statements remind me of a buddy of mine in college who was a huge Metallica fan. He loved every single song, had every CD, had autographs, posters, etc. Then when the napster debacle happened, he decided he hated them. he started talking about how bad their music sucked. The exact same songs. Fade to Black didn't suddenly change. Yeah ok he doesn't like the band anymore, that's fine. But the CD sitting on his shelf didn't change. Just like nothing has changed on the assembly line with any of these companies. It's the business end (pun intended) that's having issues. And if you sit back and take notice, the business end of pretty much every automaker is having major problems right now. It's simply a problem amplified in GM & Chrysler due to their out of control operating costs due to the UAW. If Obama really wanted to bail them out he'd give them a way to get rid of that shit. But since he's a socialist prick, labor unions are right up his alley.

[Spectatrix]

Are you friggin kidding me Christine? Come on you're an engineer, why don't you quantify the data you posted and think about it. That number given is problems per 100 vehicles in the first 90 days. So Jaguar scored a 1.12 problems per vehicle, whereas Honda scored a 1.10. Gimme a break. Does this mean you're going to have 0.02 more problems with a Jag on average, so you should buy a Honda instead?

Oh, you're not going to rail about what a bunch of BS statistical analysis is? Color me surprised.

I could also go and look up the Consumer Reports data that supports the assertion that foreign cars are better than domestic, but I went with the first thing I found. Gimme a break, I WAS IN THE FREAKIN' HOSPITAL.

No, not all GMs suck. No, not all Chryslers suck. Yes, Toyota and Honda have some bad models and will have lemons, just like any other company. But overall, quality assessments favor foreign vehicles over domestic ones. From the Consumer Reports stuff I've read in the past, plus anecdotal evidence from friends & family, I trust Toyota and Honda over domestic vehicles. That's not a stupid or hippy-ish assessment. Vehicle quality is a large part of the reason why Ford is weathering the economic problems rather well, while the other two are on the verge of bankruptcy. The UAW sucks donkey dick, but they are not the *only* reason those two car companies are suffering.

[impala454]

I could also go and look up the Consumer Reports data that supports the assertion that foreign cars are better than domestic, but I went with the first thing I found. Gimme a break, I WAS IN THE FREAKIN' HOSPITAL.

Hospital... that's no excuse!

No, not all GMs suck. No, not all Chryslers suck. Yes, Toyota and Honda have some bad models and will have lemons, just like any other company. But overall, quality assessments favor foreign vehicles over domestic ones. From the Consumer Reports stuff I've read in the past, plus anecdotal evidence from friends & family, I trust Toyota and Honda over domestic vehicles.

That's perfectly fine for you to use your own anecdotal evidence and what you read to choose a vehicle or a brand you prefer. I do the same thing. But it's not some overwhelming evidence of fundamental "build quality" differences between various companies.

That's not a stupid or hippy-ish assessment.

For the record (since apparently my references to Cathryn were more subtle than I anticipated), I was referring to her constant generalizing of everything. I.e. "most scientists believe blah". That's very simlilar to the statements being made in this thread.

Vehicle quality is a large part of the reason why Ford is weathering the economic problems rather well, while the other two are on the verge of bankruptcy. The UAW sucks donkey dick, but they are not the *only* reason those two car companies are suffering.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. All you have to do is take a few minutes to look at the companies' financials. It's definitely not for a lack of revenue (vehicle sales). If vehicle quality was any part of the reason for the domestic's financial troubles, then how is it they're still selling so many vehicles?

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
Top 20 vehicle sales for March 2009 (in order):

Ford PU
Toyota Camry
Chevy Silverado
Honda Accord
Toyota Corolla
Honda Civic
Nissan Altima
Dodge Ram
Chevy Malibu
Honda CRV
Ford Fusion
Chevy Impala
Ford Escape
Hyundai Sonata
Ford Focus
Toyota RAV4
Dodge Caravan
Jeep Wrangler
Pontiac G6
Mazda 3

12 of the top 20 are domestic vehicles. 4 of the top 10 are domestics. Not a single foreign pickup even made the list. So these generalized ideas that "build quality" suffers are a little unfounded in my opinion. Deciding which vehicle/brand you like, of course is no big deal. But choosing what you like and then deciding the others are crap, dumb IMHO. I had a run of bad luck at one of the local fancy steakhouses around here. It doesn't mean it's not a great place, but I am a little turned off to go there now. Make sense?

[chook]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. All you have to do is take a few minutes to look at the companies' financials. It's definitely not for a lack of revenue (vehicle sales). If vehicle quality was any part of the reason for the domestic's financial troubles, then how is it they're still selling so many vehicles?

Its like the refinary. You have a base cost, and a cost per production. They still sell alot of cars, its that its not as much as they used to with the same lines with the same base cost. You could be making a shit load of sales and still losing money like Sir Richard Branson.