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post Nov 7 2008, 12:40 PM
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This isn't about fair. Someone has to pay the tax. We can either tax the people it will hurt the most or we can tax the people it will hurt the least. If you think you should pay more tax, by all means, donate to the IRS. But for the rest of us where the majority of our income is going to survival, it is far better for those with a little excess to pick up the slack. If you feel the oil industry does not have any money to spare, who should we tax instead? That's all it comes down to. If we don't tax the oil industry, we have to tax someone else. No matter who we tax, there will be an argument on why you shouldn't tax that group. Of course, no matter who you tax, it's going to affect every other taxable group. You tax the oil industry, gas goes up in price and everyone suffers. You tax the middle class, they buy fewer goods, and everyone suffers. You tax financial sector, less money available for investment, and everyone suffers. You don't tax anyone, infrastructure, social programs, education, and science all gets cut, and everyone suffers. I hear a lot of whining, but yet I don't ever see any alternative solutions. So let's hear it. Who should we tax?

Ultimately I feel the best solution is to have a leaner more efficient government. I doubt anyone disagrees with that. But that isn't going to ever be reality as long as we want to remain a representative democracy.


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post Nov 7 2008, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (Billy @ Nov 7 2008, 12:40 PM) *
This isn't about fair. Someone has to pay the tax. We can either tax the people it will hurt the most or we can tax the people it will hurt the least. If you think you should pay more tax, by all means, donate to the IRS. But for the rest of us where the majority of our income is going to survival, it is far better for those with a little excess to pick up the slack. If you feel the oil industry does not have any money to spare, who should we tax instead? That's all it comes down to. If we don't tax the oil industry, we have to tax someone else. No matter who we tax, there will be an argument on why you shouldn't tax that group. Of course, no matter who you tax, it's going to affect every other taxable group. You tax the oil industry, gas goes up in price and everyone suffers. You tax the middle class, they buy fewer goods, and everyone suffers. You tax financial sector, less money available for investment, and everyone suffers. You don't tax anyone, infrastructure, social programs, education, and science all gets cut, and everyone suffers. I hear a lot of whining, but yet I don't ever see any alternative solutions. So let's hear it. Who should we tax?

Ultimately I feel the best solution is to have a leaner more efficient government. I doubt anyone disagrees with that. But that isn't going to ever be reality as long as we want to remain a representative democracy.


Why should others "pick up" what you cannot? You again prove my point that taxing the oil companies is a whim and pulled completely out of your hat. You see some disposable profits (though a lot go to R&D) and you have to have them. And what do you mean isn't about fair? That's exactly what it's about from the tone of your post. "It's not fair we don't have extra cash, charge the oil companies, that will make it fair"

Why the oil companies? Why not Google? I know they have some extra cash...

You tax the people, that was the original idea. You don't tax them so much they go broke, but you tax them. Citizens are the ones using the services that are provided, so why should they not be the ones taxed?

Lastly, we don't have to tax someone. What does more taxation give the government? More of a pool to spend from. Maybe if they stopped spending, they could cut taxes for everyone and all would be happy.


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