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Dogmeat
post Oct 15 2008, 02:02 AM
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A western US, a Rocky Mountain / Midwestern US, and then an Eastern US?

What would be the results of this? Good or bad?


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post Oct 21 2008, 10:03 AM
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Actually, my point about representative democracy is that it is NOT a "majority rule" system. Congress looks out for the well-being of their constituents, but they shouldn't be 100% beholden to the whims of the majority in their state/district. Part of the job of representatives is to make judgment calls on when it's best to follow the majority and when it's best to defy them to protect minorities or the common good.

The president's job, imo, is to do that on a broader scale, making decisions with input primarily from his advisers and Congress.

As for the electoral college, I support it WITH modification to proportional allotment of votes, rather than "winner takes all" in a state. Having the electoral college in place is advantageous over the popular vote because it weights votes by state population regardless of the voter turnout in those states. I.e., in this election the popular vote might be skewed towards Arizona and Illinois because the two main presidential candidates are from those states.

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- Dogmeat   What would be the result of the US splitting into two or three seperate countries?   Oct 15 2008, 02:02 AM
- - Mommy   I support being a separate country than California...   Oct 15 2008, 07:51 PM
|- - THECHICKEN   "im not at [insert place] anymore, so [insert...   Oct 15 2008, 07:59 PM
|- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 15 2008, 08:51 PM) I s...   Oct 15 2008, 11:33 PM
- - Mommy   I always hated Texas... except for Austin. The res...   Oct 15 2008, 08:09 PM
|- - Billy   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 15 2008, 09:09 PM) I a...   Oct 15 2008, 08:15 PM
- - Mommy   Ok, lets put it this way: El Paso, Lubbock, San An...   Oct 15 2008, 08:18 PM
- - Billy   So what do you not like about these cities? You m...   Oct 15 2008, 08:22 PM
|- - THECHICKEN   Jessica claiming something sucks is like lance say...   Oct 15 2008, 10:03 PM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Billy @ Oct 15 2008, 08:22 PM) So ...   Oct 16 2008, 07:55 AM
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- - Dogmeat   STAY ON TOPIC YOU HOLES!   Oct 16 2008, 08:14 AM
- - Inferia   It would be a terrible idea I think. It would pro...   Oct 16 2008, 11:46 AM
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- - Watchman   i think any group that wants to secede should be a...   Oct 16 2008, 12:04 PM
- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Oct 16 2008, 05:24 PM) W...   Oct 16 2008, 10:45 PM
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||- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (THECHICKEN @ Oct 17 2008, 10:27 AM...   Oct 17 2008, 10:03 AM
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||- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (THECHICKEN @ Oct 17 2008, 10:27 AM...   Oct 20 2008, 09:14 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Oct 16 2008, 10:45 P...   Oct 17 2008, 05:08 PM
- - jonathan83   i think she was born in china.   Oct 20 2008, 09:46 AM
- - Inferia   I am still American   Oct 20 2008, 09:49 AM
|- - Watchman   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 20 2008, 10:49 AM) I...   Oct 20 2008, 09:58 AM
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|- - chook   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 20 2008, 10:49 AM) I...   Oct 20 2008, 08:47 PM
- - Spectatrix   I encountered absolutely zero anti-American sentim...   Oct 20 2008, 11:39 AM
- - chook   republic is just power more local and fed is more ...   Oct 20 2008, 09:20 PM
|- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (chook @ Oct 20 2008, 10:20 PM) rep...   Oct 21 2008, 08:58 AM
|- - chook   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Oct 21 2008, 08:58 A...   Oct 21 2008, 07:21 PM
- - jonathan83   so inferia when did you become american? i thought...   Oct 21 2008, 07:21 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Oct 21 2008, 08:21 AM...   Oct 21 2008, 07:43 AM
- - Spectatrix   Actually, my point about representative democracy ...   Oct 21 2008, 10:03 AM
- - Dogmeat   Back on this topic ... Look at which states McCain...   Nov 4 2008, 11:38 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Nov 4 2008, 11:38 PM) Ba...   Nov 4 2008, 11:48 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Nov 5 2008, 12:48 AM) ...   Nov 5 2008, 12:02 AM
- - chook   We'll see what happens. Maybe we'll get a...   Nov 5 2008, 03:07 AM
|- - pysex   QUOTE (chook @ Nov 5 2008, 03:07 AM) We...   Nov 5 2008, 06:51 AM
- - THECHICKEN   Under what power will congress try and pass nation...   Nov 5 2008, 08:54 AM
- - Dogmeat   Here's some food for thought ... 2008 Preside...   Nov 11 2008, 09:01 PM
- - James   You're surprised?   Nov 11 2008, 09:45 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (James @ Nov 11 2008, 10:45 PM) You...   Nov 11 2008, 09:52 PM
- - Spectatrix   Or you could look at this, which is more demonstra...   Nov 12 2008, 11:02 AM
- - pysex   shows you the population centers went more for oba...   Nov 12 2008, 11:21 AM
- - chook   I like that map showing the change.   Nov 12 2008, 11:27 AM
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- - The Fanatic   a lot more of michigan went for democrats this ti...   Nov 12 2008, 12:44 PM
- - chook   Probably cause they lost a bunch of jobs, but more...   Nov 12 2008, 03:01 PM


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