IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )


> both mccain and obama want a draft
Seeker
post Oct 13 2008, 12:12 PM
Post #1





Group: Members
Posts: 5,275
Joined: 22-February 06
Member No.: 2



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/91958...d=elections.xml
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
 
Start new topic
Replies
Spectatrix
post Oct 17 2008, 01:28 PM
Post #2





Group: Admin
Posts: 6,906
Joined: 22-February 06
From: Austin
Member No.: 9



IF one spouse (either gender) is already in the military AND they have dependent children, then the other spouse shouldn't be drafted.
IF a woman in the military (or being drafted) is pregnant, she should not be on active combat duty. The same goes for any other condition, for either gender, that impairs their physical abilities to the point where they can't perform their duties properly.
IF a person is fit for combat (either gender), they can be drafted into a combat role. If they're better suited elsewhere (due to specialized education, for instance), then they probably should be in a specialized role rather than combat.
IF a person is unfit for combat (either gender), then they should be assessed to see where they best fit.


In general, I do not have a problem with women who choose to be stay-at-home mothers. I also do not have a problem with men who choose to be stay-at-home fathers. One or the other may be appropriate given the family's specific circumstances. But I do believe that, as a societal generality, we are moving towards an environment where women are expected to have all of the same rights and responsibilities as men. No, not every woman can perform the same tasks that most men can, or vice versa, but I believe that if we give women equal opportunity in the workplace, then they should have equal responsibility to serve their country in a time of need, to the best of their ability, even if their roles are generally different from those of men.


--------------------
QUOTE (pebkac @ Oct 14 2006, 03:15 PM) *
You and your logic.

QUOTE (Foamy)

http://xkcd.com/386/
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Inferia
post Oct 17 2008, 01:51 PM
Post #3





Group: Members
Posts: 419
Joined: 23-February 06
Member No.: 64



QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 17 2008, 01:28 PM) *
In general, I do not have a problem with women who choose to be stay-at-home mothers. I also do not have a problem with men who choose to be stay-at-home fathers. One or the other may be appropriate given the family's specific circumstances.

This is slightly off topic, but I've been thinking about stay-at-home mothers or fathers depending on the situation. Isn't it kind of a risky situation for anyone to be in? By anyone I mean the mother, father and the kids to be in? I don't really have a problem with what people decide to do with their lives, but this day and age, especially with divorce rate being so high, I feel like it is pretty big risk to take for anymore. If divorce doesn't strike you as a possibility (I hope it does), there are natural and unnatural deaths. Then whoever is alive is kind of screwed, the working mother or father may not be able to support their kids since they have lost their spouse. The stay-at-home mother or father may not be able to support the family either because of lack of income and job experience. The kids may have to worry about things they shouldn't have to worry about. Anyway, I guess I've been thinking about this for awhile now, I can't think of very many alternative arguments.


--------------------
I go to the maize and blue
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
- Watchman   both mccain and obama want a draft   Oct 13 2008, 12:12 PM
- - Spectatrix   Do you even read the articles you post? QUOTE Eve...   Oct 13 2008, 12:37 PM
- - Watchman   they wouldn't be debating that women should or...   Oct 13 2008, 12:39 PM
- - Spectatrix   I oppose a draft, yet I still support women being ...   Oct 13 2008, 12:52 PM
- - Dogmeat   I fully and completley support women having to reg...   Oct 13 2008, 01:06 PM
- - Spectatrix   I'm a skinny bitch. Does that mean I'd be...   Oct 13 2008, 01:54 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2008, 02:54 PM...   Oct 13 2008, 02:52 PM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2008, 02:54 PM...   Oct 13 2008, 02:53 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2008, 01:54 PM...   Oct 14 2008, 02:13 PM
- - Mommy   Honestly, if women were susceptible to being draft...   Oct 13 2008, 03:58 PM
- - Spectatrix   1) They wouldn't draft both parents of a house...   Oct 13 2008, 04:23 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2008, 05:23 PM...   Oct 13 2008, 04:39 PM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2008, 05:23 PM...   Oct 13 2008, 05:29 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 13 2008, 06:29 PM) Wel...   Oct 13 2008, 07:23 PM
||- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Oct 13 2008, 08:23 PM)...   Oct 13 2008, 07:26 PM
|||- - Psykopath   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Oct 13 2008, 08:26 ...   Oct 13 2008, 07:27 PM
||- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Oct 13 2008, 07:23 PM)...   Oct 14 2008, 02:15 PM
|- - Billy   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 13 2008, 06:29 PM) Wel...   Oct 14 2008, 11:56 AM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Billy @ Oct 14 2008, 12:56 PM) Sou...   Oct 14 2008, 02:44 PM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 14 2008, 03:44 PM) No....   Oct 14 2008, 03:02 PM
|- - Billy   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 14 2008, 04:02 PM...   Oct 14 2008, 04:35 PM
||- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (Billy @ Oct 14 2008, 05:35 PM) ...   Oct 14 2008, 08:01 PM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 14 2008, 03:02 PM...   Oct 14 2008, 05:21 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   in general, women are pretty worthless at everythi...   Oct 13 2008, 07:25 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Oct 13 2008, 07:25 ...   Oct 14 2008, 11:25 AM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Oct 13 2008, 08:25 ...   Oct 14 2008, 03:04 PM
- - Spectatrix   Jessica, the point of the draft is to shore up the...   Oct 13 2008, 07:32 PM
- - Inferia   Isn't it rather judgmental to say that women a...   Oct 14 2008, 11:05 AM
- - woody   draft em both if their preggers, they get 8 weeks...   Oct 14 2008, 11:27 AM
- - Hartmann   http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/91958...d=ele...   Oct 14 2008, 12:21 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 14 2008, 01:21 PM) ...   Oct 14 2008, 01:30 PM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 14 2008, 02:30 PM) S...   Oct 14 2008, 01:47 PM
||- - Inferia   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 14 2008, 01:47 PM) ...   Oct 14 2008, 02:07 PM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 14 2008, 03:07 PM) W...   Oct 14 2008, 02:16 PM
||- - Inferia   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 14 2008, 02:16 PM) ...   Oct 14 2008, 02:19 PM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 14 2008, 03:19 PM) I...   Oct 14 2008, 03:44 PM
||- - Inferia   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 14 2008, 03:44 PM) ...   Oct 15 2008, 08:07 AM
||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 15 2008, 09:07 AM) S...   Oct 15 2008, 08:44 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 15 2008, 09:44 AM) ...   Oct 15 2008, 03:39 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 15 2008, 04:39 PM) T...   Oct 17 2008, 06:50 AM
- - woody   in other words... women are a walking uterus   Oct 14 2008, 01:47 PM
- - Dogmeat   See, since women are weaker physically and all tha...   Oct 14 2008, 02:22 PM
- - Inferia   http://www.womenhunters.com/womenhunters-wsj.html ...   Oct 14 2008, 02:28 PM
- - woody   what is his mos? 91k?   Oct 14 2008, 07:08 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   somewhere in all of inferia's "pretty wor...   Oct 14 2008, 08:11 PM
- - Billy   We need to make you earn your equal rights.   Oct 14 2008, 08:30 PM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Billy @ Oct 14 2008, 09:30 PM) We ...   Oct 14 2008, 08:34 PM
||- - Billy   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 14 2008, 09:34 PM) ...   Oct 15 2008, 10:51 AM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Billy @ Oct 14 2008, 08:30 PM) We ...   Oct 14 2008, 08:50 PM
- - chook   The problem I see in engineering is that a lot of ...   Oct 14 2008, 08:54 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (chook @ Oct 14 2008, 08:54 PM) The...   Oct 15 2008, 08:34 AM
- - Mommy   I don't understand why any of you think drafti...   Oct 15 2008, 07:46 PM
- - Spectatrix   Awesome, now I'm a feminist nazi. I'll ha...   Oct 15 2008, 08:29 PM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 15 2008, 09:29 PM...   Oct 15 2008, 10:00 PM
- - Mommy   It is feminazi to think you can or should do every...   Oct 16 2008, 08:21 AM
- - Spectatrix   And it's sexist to assume that because some wo...   Oct 16 2008, 09:24 AM
- - Mommy   Women should not be fighting wars. I already state...   Oct 16 2008, 09:26 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 16 2008, 10:26 AM) Wom...   Oct 16 2008, 05:45 PM
- - Spectatrix   And I disagree. I do not think that women who are...   Oct 16 2008, 09:46 AM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 16 2008, 10:46 AM...   Oct 16 2008, 10:22 AM
- - Spectatrix   Yeah, I said that in like three posts. Drafting o...   Oct 16 2008, 11:21 AM
- - woody   women are too emotional to drive yank their licens...   Oct 16 2008, 12:25 PM
- - Watchman   women aren't good for anything except cooking ...   Oct 16 2008, 12:42 PM
- - Psykopath   Women are too emotional for high-stress positions ...   Oct 16 2008, 01:02 PM
- - Mommy   I think seeing people DIE is a little different th...   Oct 16 2008, 01:18 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 16 2008, 01:18 PM) I t...   Oct 16 2008, 01:24 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 16 2008, 02:18 PM) I t...   Oct 16 2008, 01:27 PM
||- - Mommy   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Oct 16 2008, 01:27 PM)...   Oct 16 2008, 01:39 PM
||- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 16 2008, 02:39 PM) I...   Oct 16 2008, 01:49 PM
|- - Billy   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 16 2008, 02:18 PM) I t...   Oct 16 2008, 06:39 PM
- - Watchman   STFU WOMAN   Oct 16 2008, 01:49 PM
- - Spectatrix   Jessica, why do you never want a female president?   Oct 16 2008, 03:43 PM
- - Mommy   because women are silly.   Oct 16 2008, 03:54 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 16 2008, 04:54 PM) bec...   Oct 16 2008, 05:40 PM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 16 2008, 05:40 PM) E...   Oct 16 2008, 07:33 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   i think what spec is saying makes sense, (as usual...   Oct 16 2008, 06:01 PM
- - THECHICKEN   There a MANY female cops and soldiers already. Inc...   Oct 16 2008, 07:06 PM
- - Mommy   IMO women who want to be in the military should ha...   Oct 16 2008, 07:56 PM
- - THECHICKEN   Arguments based off of stereotypes are fun. Why ...   Oct 16 2008, 08:47 PM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (THECHICKEN @ Oct 16 2008, 08:47 PM...   Oct 17 2008, 08:21 AM
- - FORSAKENR320   JESSICA:: "blah blah blah, women shouldn...   Oct 16 2008, 08:52 PM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Oct 16 2008, 08:52 ...   Oct 17 2008, 08:34 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 17 2008, 09:34 AM) And...   Oct 17 2008, 09:01 AM
||- - Mommy   QUOTE (Inferia @ Oct 17 2008, 09:01 AM) I...   Oct 17 2008, 11:59 AM
|- - THECHICKEN   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 17 2008, 09:34 AM) And...   Oct 17 2008, 09:21 AM
||- - Mommy   QUOTE (THECHICKEN @ Oct 17 2008, 09:21 AM...   Oct 17 2008, 12:03 PM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Mommy @ Oct 17 2008, 08:34 AM) And...   Oct 17 2008, 11:08 AM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (chook @ Oct 17 2008, 11:08 AM) Bes...   Oct 17 2008, 12:04 PM
- - Watchman   RE: both mccain and obama want a draft   Oct 16 2008, 09:56 PM
- - The Fanatic   Black people should not be allowed to serve in the...   Oct 16 2008, 10:38 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Oct 16 2008, 11:38 P...   Oct 17 2008, 07:03 AM
- - Spectatrix   Wow. Just wow. This thread has gotten a bit too ...   Oct 17 2008, 10:13 AM
|- - Mommy   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 17 2008, 10:13 AM...   Oct 17 2008, 12:06 PM
- - Spectatrix   IF one spouse (either gender) is already in the mi...   Oct 17 2008, 01:28 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 17 2008, 02:28 PM...   Oct 17 2008, 01:36 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 17 2008, 01:28 PM...   Oct 17 2008, 01:51 PM
- - Spectatrix   For divorce, there's alimony. For death, the ...   Oct 17 2008, 02:03 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 17 2008, 03:03 PM...   Oct 17 2008, 02:10 PM
- - Spectatrix   Potentially, yes, though alimony payments are part...   Oct 17 2008, 02:16 PM
- - Watchman   will this thread ever die, boooooring   Oct 17 2008, 02:18 PM
2 Pages V   1 2 >


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 20th September 2025 - 09:33 AM
Skin made by: skeedio.com