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post Oct 13 2008, 12:12 PM
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post Oct 14 2008, 12:21 PM
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/91958...d=elections.xml

According to that it sounds as though McCain does not support a draft (and neither does Obama) but if there was a draft, Obama would like for women to register.

I'll probably come off as completely sexist but I view it as a reality that men and women are physically different and while some women can bench 250 lbs, most cannot and most women would not make great fighters on the front line of war. It has nothing to do with superiority, just body mechanics. Just like I don't have a body made for child bearing, a woman does not have the body (without serious work) to go out and fight a war. That's not to say that there are not capable women currently serving, I just see women being drafted as a bad idea all around. This country saw what an open draft did during Vietnam, it sent men who were unfit physically to fight a war and most of them didn't come back. You don't throw bodies on the battlefield if you don't have to.


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post Oct 14 2008, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Oct 14 2008, 01:21 PM) *
I'll probably come off as completely sexist but I view it as a reality that men and women are physically different and while some women can bench 250 lbs, most cannot and most women would not make great fighters on the front line of war. It has nothing to do with superiority, just body mechanics. Just like I don't have a body made for child bearing, a woman does not have the body (without serious work) to go out and fight a war. That's not to say that there are not capable women currently serving, I just see women being drafted as a bad idea all around. This country saw what an open draft did during Vietnam, it sent men who were unfit physically to fight a war and most of them didn't come back. You don't throw bodies on the battlefield if you don't have to.


So essentially you're saying sending the physically unfit to fight a war is a bad idea. Many men and women are unfit and can't fight a war (without serious work), I feel like your argument just support having a draft is a bad idea, not drafting women is a bad idea...

Before people start attacking me, I'm just trying to get a more introspective post, something other than women can't serve because they a) suck at doing things, b ) are physically unfit, c) too emotional. Because many men a) suck at doing things, b ) are physically unfit, c) too emotional. There may be lots of reasons why women shouldn't be drafted, but I feel like those are not it. One of my professors had a baby, took a 2 week leave, then came back to work. The second baby took even less time. So there are women who can handle a baby and work. And yes, I know men who are just attached to their babies as women. You hear about many men coming back from war completely messed up, with depression, post-traumatic stress, etc, were these men just too "emotionally weak" to handle it? I sure hope seeing your buddy get killed or people get blown up will make someone emotional or else this world would be a scary place to live.

Just my 2 cents.


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- Watchman   both mccain and obama want a draft   Oct 13 2008, 12:12 PM
- - Spectatrix   Do you even read the articles you post? QUOTE Eve...   Oct 13 2008, 12:37 PM
- - Watchman   they wouldn't be debating that women should or...   Oct 13 2008, 12:39 PM
- - Spectatrix   I oppose a draft, yet I still support women being ...   Oct 13 2008, 12:52 PM
- - Dogmeat   I fully and completley support women having to reg...   Oct 13 2008, 01:06 PM
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