McCain vs Obama debate, Who do you feel won? Options

[Billy]

I like McCain. But I feel that McCain treated it like a beauty pageant and Obama actually debated.

[THECHICKEN]

My biggest problem with obama is his "if you make less than 250k a year you want get tax raises" (inferring a tax increase above that). Then he goes on to say that to the people who say he is raising taxes on small businesses (since small businesses are equated to the owner's income taxes), he is planning on closing the "tax loop holes" that let small businesses pay less taxes than lower tax brackets. ... that scares the shit out of me. The reason small businesses SHOULD be given lower tax brackets is because of the way the tax system is SET UP. 250k of income when taking into account a business isn't that much in today's world... and we need those businesses to hire people... you know... jobs.

Obama is just a little to naive for me. He's extremely intelligent, but a little to idealistic. He doesn't seem to see some of the nuances of the world. Giving 50 bucks back to every tax payer is one tank of gas. Giving money back to more wealthy puts money either into stocks (capital to grow businesses), or into banking so that the banks can loan to people to start businesses or get homes... when those are paid off then money in the economy grows... allowing more loans ... then more money...etc.

Of course im not for taxing the middle class and not the rich... obviously. Also, i recognize the failure that has taken place with our banking systems running off the tracks. But those are all fixable with legislation. When FINANCE smartly dictates companies... economics takes over. America has had the most steady system in history... thats why investments in america are sure payments (historically). The system isn't broken... only the players. Clinton started the banking crash... bush perpetuated it, and congress let it happen.

[Mommy]

My biggest problem with obama is his "if you make less than 250k a year you want get tax raises" (inferring a tax increase above that). Then he goes on to say that to the people who say he is raising taxes on small businesses (since small businesses are equated to the owner's income taxes), he is planning on closing the "tax loop holes" that let small businesses pay less taxes than lower tax brackets. ... that scares the shit out of me. The reason small businesses SHOULD be given lower tax brackets is because of the way the tax system is SET UP. 250k of income when taking into account a business isn't that much in today's world... and we need those businesses to hire people... you know... jobs.

Obama is just a little to naive for me. He's extremely intelligent, but a little to idealistic. He doesn't seem to see some of the nuances of the world. Giving 50 bucks back to every tax payer is one tank of gas. Giving money back to more wealthy puts money either into stocks (capital to grow businesses), or into banking so that the banks can loan to people to start businesses or get homes... when those are paid off then money in the economy grows... allowing more loans ... then more money...etc.

Of course im not for taxing the middle class and not the rich... obviously. Also, i recognize the failure that has taken place with our banking systems running off the tracks. But those are all fixable with legislation. When FINANCE smartly dictates companies... economics takes over. America has had the most steady system in history... thats why investments in america are sure payments (historically). The system isn't broken... only the players. Clinton started the banking crash... bush perpetuated it, and congress let it happen.

Agree with you 110%... especially the part where you said "He doesn't seem to see some of the nuances of the world. Giving 50 bucks back to every tax payer is one tank of gas. Giving money back to more wealthy puts money either into stocks (capital to grow businesses), or into banking so that the banks can loan to people to start businesses or get homes."

I also agree with Christine to an extent. I mean, the middle class is a large group of people, AND they carry buying power so it would only make sense to decrease those taxes. The lower income tax bracket DOES NOT NEED A TAX CUT. They hardly pay taxes as it is. Many don't. I think every working citizen should pay at least some taxes... even if it's $10. It's our responsibilities as Americans to pay taxes. The thing is, like I said before, the upper class (even so little as the richest 400 people in our country) carry HUGE financial power in this country. Taxing them MORE is completely irresponsible.