Aug 28 2008, 08:30 AM
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I say Romney gets it, but the other talk is about Pawlenty and Lieberman, with some rumors a few days ago about Hutchison (Texan Senator). I bet it's all just talk to get things riled up and to get attention away from Obama though.
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Sep 3 2008, 10:36 AM
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pretty much sums it up...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/opinion/...amp;oref=slogin QUOTE More often than not, the role of a vice president is a minor one, unless some tragedy occurs. But a presidential nominee’s choice of a running mate is vitally important. It is his first executive decision and offers an important insight into how that nominee would lead the nation.
If John McCain wants voters to conclude, as he argues, that he has more independence and experience and better judgment than Barack Obama, he made a bad start by choosing Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska. Mr. McCain’s supporters are valiantly trying to argue that the selection was a bold stroke that shows their candidate is a risk-taking maverick who — we can believe — will change Washington. (Mr. Obama’s call for change — now “the change we need” — has become all the rage in St. Paul.) To us, it says the opposite. Mr. McCain’s snap choice of Ms. Palin reflects his impulsive streak: a wild play that he made after conservative activists warned him that he would face an all-out revolt in the party if he chose who he really wanted — Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut. Why Mr. McCain would want to pander to right-wing activists — who helped George W. Bush kill off his candidacy in the 2000 primaries in a particularly ugly way — is baffling. Frankly, they have no place to go. Mr. McCain would have a lot more success demonstrating his independence, and his courage, if he stood up to them the way he did in 2000. As far as we can tell, Mr. McCain and his aides did almost no due diligence before choosing Ms. Palin, raising serious questions about his management skills. The fact that Ms. Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant is irrelevant to her candidacy. There are, however, very serious questions about her political past and her ideology. If Mr. McCain wanted to break with his party’s past and choose the Republicans’ first female vice presidential candidate, there are a number of politicians out there with far greater experience and stature than Ms. Palin, who has been in Alaska’s Statehouse for less than two years. Before she was elected governor, she was mayor of a tiny Anchorage suburb, where her greatest accomplishment was raising the sales tax to build a hockey rink. According to Time magazine, she also sought to have books banned from the local library and threatened to fire the librarian. For Mr. McCain to go on claiming that Mr. Obama has too little experience to be president after almost three years in the United States Senate is laughable now that he has announced that someone with no national or foreign policy experience is qualified to replace him, if necessary. Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who has been one of Mr. McCain’s most loyal friends, said Tuesday that he was certain that Ms. Palin would take the right positions on issues like Iraq, Russia’s invasion of Georgia and Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions. That seemed based largely on his repeated assertion that Ms. Palin would be tended by Mr. McCain’s foreign policy advisers. That was not much of an endorsement. Some of the things Ms. Palin has had to say in the recent past about foreign policy are especially worrisome. In a speech last June to her former church in Wasilla, Ms. Palin said the war in Iraq was “a task that is from God.” Mr. Bush made similar claims as he rejected all sound mortal advice on how to conduct the war. Mr. McCain, Mr. Graham and others also claim that Ms. Palin is a fearless reformer who is committed to fighting waste, fraud and earmarks. Ms. Palin did show courage taking on some of the Alaska Republican Party’s most sleazy politicians. But she also was an eager recipient of earmarked money as a mayor and governor. Mayor Palin gathered up $27 million in subsidies from Washington, $15 million of it for a railroad from her town to the ski resort hometown of Senator Ted Stevens, now under indictment for failing to report gifts. The Republicans are presenting Ms. Palin as a crusader against Mr. Stevens’s infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.” The record says otherwise; she initially supported Mr. Stevens’s boondoggle, diverting the money to other projects when the bridge became a political disaster. In her speech to the Wasilla Assembly of God in June, Ms. Palin said it was “God’s will” that the federal government contribute to a $30 billion gas pipeline she wants built in Alaska. Mr. McCain will make his acceptance speech on Thursday, and Ms. Palin will speak on Wednesday. Those two appearances will go a long way to forming voters’ views of this Republican ticket. As Senator Graham noted, Mr. McCain has to reach out beyond the party’s loyal base. “We’re going to have to win this thing,” he said. “This is not our race to lose.” Mr. McCain’s hurdles are substantial. To start, he has to overcome Mr. Bush’s record of failures. (The president addressed the convention Tuesday night and now, McCain strategists fervently hope, will retire quietly to the Rose Garden.) That record includes the disastrous war in Iraq, a ballooning deficit, the mortgage crisis — and the list goes on. To address those many problems, this country needs a leader with sound judgment and strong leadership skills. Choosing Ms. Palin raises serious questions about Mr. McCain’s qualifications. -------------------- Don't sweat the petty, pet the sweaty.
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jonathan83 McCain's VP Aug 28 2008, 08:30 AM
pysex Hutchison would be awesome. She's a woman wort... Aug 28 2008, 10:15 AM
Watchman ron paul Aug 28 2008, 10:18 AM
impala454 http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archi...ison_... Aug 28 2008, 11:46 AM
Psykopath Better than Perry, at least. Aug 28 2008, 11:51 AM
jwttu QUOTE (Psykopath @ Aug 28 2008, 12:51 PM)... Aug 28 2008, 06:26 PM
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jonathan83 QUOTE (Psykopath @ Aug 28 2008, 09:10 PM)... Aug 29 2008, 06:10 AM
James QUOTE (jwttu @ Aug 28 2008, 07:26 PM) you... Aug 29 2008, 05:47 AM
FORSAKENR320 i think he should have a "punch in the face... Aug 28 2008, 08:48 PM
jonathan83 more fuel to the fire....
QUOTE CNN is reporting ... Aug 29 2008, 06:12 AM
jonathan83 wow....drudgereport is saying its not Romney and h... Aug 29 2008, 06:20 AM
Psykopath Hmmm... she's a bit too socially conservative ... Aug 29 2008, 07:20 AM
jonathan83 Now they're saying Palin is in Alaska..and Rom... Aug 29 2008, 07:24 AM
impala454 if mccain picks a woman its over Aug 29 2008, 07:26 AM
jonathan83 why? it would draw the women away from obama, and ... Aug 29 2008, 07:33 AM
impala454 "it's over" as in mccain wins Aug 29 2008, 07:38 AM
jonathan83 speculation going back to palin again....cnn is al... Aug 29 2008, 08:10 AM
jonathan83 cnbc says its palin
http://www.cnbc.com/id/264546... Aug 29 2008, 08:18 AM
jonathan83 its official. its palin Aug 29 2008, 08:38 AM
woody it's a desperate move for women voters.
don... Aug 29 2008, 10:54 AM
Billy QUOTE (woody @ Aug 29 2008, 11:54 AM) it... Aug 29 2008, 08:11 PM
impala454 QUOTE (Billy @ Aug 29 2008, 09:11 PM) To ... Aug 29 2008, 10:58 PM
impala454 honestly i don't see it that way. if you star... Aug 29 2008, 10:59 AM
impala454 wow she birthed a retarded kid this past april.... Aug 29 2008, 11:11 AM
impala454 interesting interview w/her back in june (she come... Aug 29 2008, 11:31 AM
Inferia What do republicans think about McCain's VP? ... Aug 29 2008, 12:28 PM
Watchman mccain just doomed himself with this pick
horribl... Aug 29 2008, 12:40 PM
impala454 QUOTE (Watchman @ Aug 29 2008, 01:40 PM) ... Aug 29 2008, 01:21 PM
chook Either First Black President or Female VP. Either... Aug 29 2008, 01:14 PM
woody no. which is one of the reasons he won't get e... Aug 29 2008, 01:24 PM
impala454 well people don't think obama is experienced e... Aug 29 2008, 01:57 PM
FORSAKENR320 i think it was a pretty clever move.
there are fa... Aug 29 2008, 10:43 PM
jonathan83 it's interesting how 3/4 of the people running... Aug 29 2008, 11:19 PM
FORSAKENR320 QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Aug 30 2008, 12:19 AM... Aug 29 2008, 11:29 PM
blaarg If I was a Hillary supporter I would be a little i... Aug 30 2008, 01:54 AM
impala454 QUOTE (blaarg @ Aug 30 2008, 02:54 AM) *s... Aug 30 2008, 08:59 AM
blaarg QUOTE (impala454 @ Aug 30 2008, 09:59 AM)... Aug 30 2008, 11:54 AM
impala454 QUOTE (blaarg @ Aug 30 2008, 12:54 PM) do... Aug 30 2008, 12:33 PM
blaarg I am ready for the VP debate(s) however... Biden v... Aug 30 2008, 01:58 AM
pysex As I mentioned before, Palin was the best choice f... Aug 30 2008, 10:03 AM
James QUOTE (pysex @ Aug 30 2008, 11:03 AM) As ... Aug 30 2008, 11:15 AM
blaarg QUOTE (pysex @ Aug 30 2008, 11:03 AM) Kay... Aug 30 2008, 11:48 AM
chook QUOTE (blaarg @ Aug 30 2008, 11:48 AM) I ... Aug 30 2008, 05:10 PM
impala454 Yeah she's def a MILF Aug 30 2008, 11:42 AM
chook I still have hope that Allen Keys gets a big party... Aug 30 2008, 05:13 PM
Dogmeat I don't think McCain could have picked a bette... Aug 31 2008, 07:08 AM
impala454 QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Aug 31 2008, 08:08 AM) I... Aug 31 2008, 10:13 AM
Billy Given the situation, she is absolutely the best pi... Aug 31 2008, 08:45 AM
Dogmeat QUOTE (Billy @ Aug 31 2008, 08:45 AM) Giv... Aug 31 2008, 09:19 AM
False Dude No one's aware of her currently being investig... Aug 31 2008, 10:27 AM
chook QUOTE (False Dude @ Aug 31 2008, 10:27 AM... Aug 31 2008, 11:56 AM
impala454 QUOTE (False Dude @ Aug 31 2008, 11:27 AM... Aug 31 2008, 11:57 AM
Dogmeat QUOTE (False Dude @ Aug 31 2008, 10:27 AM... Aug 31 2008, 02:14 PM
jonathan83 haha i love craig ferguson...and this video was ov... Aug 31 2008, 11:03 AM
chook http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gWi6yTV...iobt8... Aug 31 2008, 12:04 PM
impala454 QUOTE (chook @ Aug 31 2008, 01:04 PM) htt... Aug 31 2008, 08:24 PM
pysex I'd fire the asshole too if he didn't fire... Aug 31 2008, 11:38 PM
Psykopath http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cv... Sep 2 2008, 12:24 AM
James So? Sep 2 2008, 04:57 AM
impala454 I don't see it making much difference. Not an... Sep 2 2008, 07:28 AM
cmac this psycho bitch doesn't support condoms or b... Sep 2 2008, 08:00 AM
Hartmann QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 2 2008, 09:00 AM) this ... Sep 2 2008, 08:16 AM
impala454 QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 2 2008, 09:00 AM) this ... Sep 2 2008, 09:54 AM
Spectatrix QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 2 2008, 10:54 AM) ... Sep 2 2008, 10:40 AM
impala454 QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Sep 2 2008, 11:40 AM)... Sep 2 2008, 11:38 AM
woody QUOTE (Hartmann @ Sep 2 2008, 08:16 AM) W... Sep 2 2008, 09:02 AM
Hartmann QUOTE (woody @ Sep 2 2008, 10:02 AM) that... Sep 2 2008, 10:04 AM
cmac sorry, birth control pills and condoms
http://pol... Sep 2 2008, 10:48 AM
impala454 QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 2 2008, 11:48 AM) sorry... Sep 2 2008, 11:35 AM
Watchman RE: McCain's VP Sep 2 2008, 11:06 AM
cmac please it's politics. it comes from both part... Sep 2 2008, 11:41 AM
impala454 Haha no. The mud slinging yes, the obsessive way ... Sep 2 2008, 11:55 AM
Psykopath QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 2 2008, 12:55 PM) ... Sep 2 2008, 12:26 PM
impala454 QUOTE (Psykopath @ Sep 2 2008, 01:26 PM) ... Sep 2 2008, 12:48 PM
Psykopath QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 2 2008, 01:48 PM) ... Sep 2 2008, 01:28 PM
Oasis RE: McCain's VP Sep 2 2008, 12:07 PM
Spectatrix Republicans dug into Obama's past trying to pr... Sep 2 2008, 01:13 PM
impala454 Well knowing where the actual candidate was born i... Sep 2 2008, 01:22 PM
Spectatrix QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 2 2008, 02:22 PM) ... Sep 2 2008, 01:34 PM
cmac i actually heard fox news take 'Obama' and... Sep 2 2008, 01:30 PM
chook Damn Rank and file on both sides care more about t... Sep 2 2008, 01:48 PM
pysex You forget that the world media is just as much of... Sep 2 2008, 06:29 PM
FORSAKENR320 gimmie a politician that has caloused hands from a... Sep 2 2008, 06:53 PM
impala454 QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 3 2008, 11:36 AM) prett... Sep 3 2008, 11:41 AM
Hartmann So basically, it sums up something you weren't... Sep 3 2008, 11:18 AM
Hartmann I am not a Palin fan, but I am even less of a Bide... Sep 3 2008, 11:33 AM
impala454 Havin Palin in there would be great. Because she ... Sep 3 2008, 11:44 AM
cmac i'll just ignore that retard statement. Sep 3 2008, 11:52 AM
impala454 QUOTE (cmac @ Sep 3 2008, 12:52 PM) i... Sep 3 2008, 09:35 PM
woody at she she has led in no experience....that's ... Sep 3 2008, 12:28 PM
dauss that eldest daughter is a porker. Sep 3 2008, 08:05 PM
Billy QUOTE (dauss @ Sep 3 2008, 09:05 PM)
tha... Sep 3 2008, 08:52 PM
Spectatrix QUOTE (dauss @ Sep 3 2008, 09:05 PM)
tha... Sep 3 2008, 09:57 PM
impala454 It's the one on the left that's pregnant. ... Sep 3 2008, 10:35 PM
Watchman QUOTE (impala454 @ Sep 3 2008, 11:35 PM) ... Sep 3 2008, 10:37 PM
FORSAKENR320 QUOTE (Watchman @ Sep 3 2008, 11:37 PM) w... Sep 3 2008, 11:42 PM
impala454 ooooh ok... I thought it was the middle girl that ... Sep 4 2008, 12:09 AM
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