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post May 23 2008, 08:35 PM
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Close your eyes, reach into your wallet and try to distinguish between a $1 bill and a $5 bill. Impossible? It's also discriminatory, a federal appeals court says.

Since all paper money feels pretty much the same, the government is denying blind people meaningful access to the currency, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled Tuesday. The decision could force the Treasury Department to make bills of different sizes or print them with raised markings or other distinguishing features.

The American Council of the Blind sued for such changes, but the government has been fighting the case for about six years.

The U.S. acknowledges the current design hinders blind people, but it argues that they have adapted. Some rely on store clerks to help, some use credit cards and others fold certain corners to help distinguish between bills.

"I don't think we should have to rely on people to tell us what our money is," said Mitch Pomerantz, the Council of the Blind president.

Others say they manage but not always easily.

"When I pay for something and I get change back, I'm very slow and methodical. I'll ask, 'Is this the 10? Is this the five? Is this the one?"' said Kim Charlson, the library director at the Perkins School for the Blind, which is Helen Keller's alma mater.

Some use electronic currency readers. But they can be expensive, and they sometimes have problems with new $20 bills.

"It's slow," said Sam McClain, who manages a snack shop in a legislative office building near the Georgia Capitol. He has a currency reader but usually relies on the honesty of his customers. "Sometimes I have 10 or 15 people in here, and I can't use it."

The court ruled 2-1 that such adaptations were insufficient under the Rehabilitation Act. The government might as well argue that there's no need to make buildings accessible to wheelchairs because handicapped people can crawl on all fours or ask passers-by for help, the court said.

"Even the most searching tactile examination will reveal no difference between a $100 bill and a $1 bill. The secretary has identified no reason that requires paper currency to be uniform to the touch," Judge Judith W. Rogers wrote for the majority.

Courts don't decide how to design currency. That's up to the Treasury Department, and the ruling forces the department to address what the court called a discriminatory problem.

That could still take years. But since blindness becomes more common with age, people in their 30s and 40s should know that, when they get older, "they will be able to identify their $1 bills from their fives, tens and twenties," said Pomerantz, of the Council of the Blind.

Redesigned bills could also mean more job opportunities, since employers often hesitate to hire blind workers for jobs handling money, said Charlson, of the Perkins School for the Blind.

"When there are so few things in your life that you've got total control over, being able to even take care of your own money is such a big step, without requiring someone to tell you whether you've got enough money to go out and get a beer or have a hamburger," she said.

The government could ask for a rehearing by the full appeals court or challenge the decision to the Supreme Court.

Treasury Department spokeswoman Brookly McLaughlin said the department was reviewing the opinion. She noted that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, which prints the nation's currency, recently hired a contractor to consider ways to help the blind. The results will be available early next year, she said.

While the government has been fighting to overturn the lower court ruling, it has been taking some steps toward modifying U.S. currency for the visually impaired. The most recent currency redesign of the $5 bill introduced in March features a giant "5" printed in purple on one side of the bill to help those with vision problems distinguish the bill.

Indeed, Treasury has previously considered making different sizes of bills but ran into opposition from makers of vending and change machines. Government lawyers raised this issue in court, saying it could cost billions to redesign vending machines. But the court said such data are murky, especially since one proposed solution would be to leave $1 bills unchanged.

Given recent U.S. redesigns, the appeals court ruled the U.S. failed to explain why adding more changes would be an undue burden. More than 100 other countries vary the size of their bills, a federal judge said in 2006, and others include at least some features to help the blind. The appeals court said the U.S. never explained why such solutions wouldn't work here.

Not all blind people agree that U.S. money should be changed. The National Federation of the Blind sided with the government and told the appeals court that no changes were needed.

Charlie Richardson, the legally blind manager of Charlie's Express Stop inside the Capitol in Albany, N.Y., said he doesn't oppose changing the money but disagrees with the ruling.

"To actually be discriminated against is to have something denied to you," Richardson said. "We're not denied the use of money."


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post May 27 2008, 10:10 PM
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I don't see what you are saying, but whatever. The principle isn't the same. Here is an example: You walk into a business and there are signs in both English and Spanish. Yes, this is America (and no I'm not trying to start this language argument again. It's just an example) and English is the main language. The company, however, appeals to a large minority (close to an oxymoron, but not quite) because there is enough of them. A Chinese person walks into the store. She doesn't speak English or Spanish. It is then up to her to come up with alternate means of interpreting the signs. The company will assist her by asking if anyone knows Chinese that works there, but it is ultimately up to her (in the real case, it would be up to the doctors of the blind, no hand man).

And your silly one liners aren't a very good defense. If you think "the principle is exactly the same" you have to explain WHY
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post May 27 2008, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Jessica @ May 27 2008, 11:10 PM) *
*bangs head against desk*

I don't see what you are saying, but whatever. The principle isn't the same. Here is an example: You walk into a business and there are signs in both English and Spanish. Yes, this is America (and no I'm not trying to start this language argument again. It's just an example) and English is the main language. The company, however, appeals to a large minority (close to an oxymoron, but not quite) because there is enough of them. A Chinese person walks into the store. She doesn't speak English or Spanish. It is then up to her to come up with alternate means of interpreting the signs. The company will assist her by asking if anyone knows Chinese that works there, but it is ultimately up to her (in the real case, it would be up to the doctors of the blind, no hand man).

And your silly one liners aren't a very good defense. If you think "the principle is exactly the same" you have to explain WHY

english -> those that see
spanish -> those who are blind

not even in the same universe of numbers to even begin to make that comparison/correlation/wordicantthinkofforsomedamnreason

I agree with Chuck that scanners would be a much better idea (and probably cheaper).

Chuck = Chuck

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post May 28 2008, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ May 27 2008, 11:21 PM) *
english -> those that see
spanish -> those who are blind

not even in the same universe of numbers to even begin to make that comparison/correlation/wordicantthinkofforsomedamnreason

I agree with Chuck that scanners would be a much better idea (and probably cheaper).

Chuck = Chuck

QED



agreed. a better and slightly more accurate representation of jessica's example should be her wanting all signs in texas to be posted in English and Inuit


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- pysex   Blind people pay with 20's instead of 1's?!   May 23 2008, 08:35 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   FUCK THAT SHIT. don't be blind, or remember...   May 23 2008, 08:54 PM
- - chook   You know what is a good solution? Give out device...   May 23 2008, 10:29 PM
- - Jessica   hmm good thinking... a bill reader distributed to ...   May 23 2008, 10:35 PM
- - impala454   this reminds me of that stupidass article someone ...   May 23 2008, 11:04 PM
- - THECHICKEN   We can make the bills look like monopoly money but...   May 24 2008, 06:58 PM
- - The Fanatic   I think this is a good decision on the part of the...   May 25 2008, 12:06 AM
- - impala454   I don't agree at all. You can't modify ev...   May 25 2008, 12:22 AM
- - The Fanatic   No. Just give blind people a scanner for barco...   May 25 2008, 01:43 AM
- - FORSAKENR320   it's a matter of principle that people (like m...   May 25 2008, 03:13 AM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 25 2008, 04:13 ...   May 25 2008, 09:31 AM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 25 2008, 04:13 ...   May 25 2008, 11:00 AM
|- - kcroxyoursox   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 25 2008, 04:13 ...   May 26 2008, 08:18 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (kcroxyoursox @ May 26 2008, 09:18 ...   May 27 2008, 12:30 AM
- - Epic   this will be a non issue once stores start saying ...   May 25 2008, 09:15 AM
- - impala454   I'm not saying "fuck the blind", jus...   May 25 2008, 10:07 AM
|- - kcroxyoursox   QUOTE (impala454 @ May 25 2008, 11:07 AM)...   May 26 2008, 08:20 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (kcroxyoursox @ May 26 2008, 09:20 ...   May 26 2008, 08:57 PM
- - chook   You know offering money scanners would probably be...   May 25 2008, 01:27 PM
- - Spectatrix   They're redesigning our money every other year...   May 26 2008, 02:48 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ May 26 2008, 03:48 PM...   May 27 2008, 12:16 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ May 27 2008, 01:16 AM) A...   May 27 2008, 07:44 AM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ May 27 2008, 08:44 AM)...   May 27 2008, 05:16 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   punch yourself in the dick   May 26 2008, 04:03 PM
- - impala454   what about blind people with hooks for hands? OMG...   May 26 2008, 04:34 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (impala454 @ May 26 2008, 05:34 PM)...   May 26 2008, 06:17 PM
- - James   As much as money is handled, can it take the punis...   May 26 2008, 07:27 PM
|- - Oasis   QUOTE (James @ May 26 2008, 08:27 PM) As ...   May 26 2008, 09:10 PM
- - Oasis   Speaking of pussification, I just brought my roomm...   May 26 2008, 09:22 PM
- - impala454   definitely the neighbor... you should knock on his...   May 26 2008, 09:48 PM
- - The Fanatic   I'm glad i'm not the only one that leeches...   May 26 2008, 11:36 PM
- - THECHICKEN   The Euro: Difference in sizes. What is so wron...   May 27 2008, 12:42 AM
- - impala454   in so many words, you said that the smaller group ...   May 27 2008, 06:05 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ May 27 2008, 07:05 PM)...   May 27 2008, 07:43 PM
- - impala454   The principle is exactly the same.   May 27 2008, 09:34 PM
- - Jessica   *bangs head against desk* I don't see what yo...   May 27 2008, 10:10 PM
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|- - impala454   QUOTE (Jessica @ May 27 2008, 11:10 PM) *...   May 27 2008, 10:21 PM
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|- - chook   QUOTE (Jessica @ May 27 2008, 10:10 PM) *...   May 28 2008, 01:11 AM
- - Jessica   what does QED mean? Oh and I am saying the scanne...   May 27 2008, 10:23 PM
- - impala454   part of doing science/math/philosophical proofs ht...   May 27 2008, 10:28 PM
- - Jessica   oh i knew that... I thought you were using some in...   May 27 2008, 10:29 PM
- - Oasis   I can't believe no one has stated the obvious,...   May 28 2008, 11:35 AM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Oasis @ May 28 2008, 12:35 PM) I c...   May 28 2008, 06:41 PM
||- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (Jessica @ May 28 2008, 07:41 PM) m...   May 28 2008, 08:09 PM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (Oasis @ May 28 2008, 11:35 AM) I c...   May 29 2008, 09:20 AM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Inferia @ May 29 2008, 10:20 AM) W...   May 29 2008, 09:33 AM
|- - Inferia   QUOTE (chook @ May 29 2008, 09:33 AM) Spr...   May 29 2008, 09:47 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Inferia @ May 29 2008, 10:47 AM) N...   May 29 2008, 09:55 AM
||- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ May 29 2008, 10:55 AM)...   May 29 2008, 09:13 PM
|- - chook   QUOTE (Inferia @ May 29 2008, 10:47 AM) N...   May 29 2008, 02:07 PM
- - impala454   how the hell do blind people even know what the pr...   May 28 2008, 11:48 AM


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