My issue with Obama Options

[Hartmann]

Alright, so I have no problem with Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the pledge or national anthem but I do have an issue with him not explaining why.

He skirts the question every time, usually responding, "This is the classic dirty trick of the campaign.". He his making some sort of statement by not doing this and I want to know what it is.

[cmac]

i'll criticize my side too, where it's deserved. michael moore is an idiot. and the democrats in office couldn't implement any decision, no matter how great.
and why did i know you're micro analyze every link.

1. so what if he was convicted. he killed an innocent person. that doesn't excuse it.
2. civilians/people/group/superman. whatever. iraqis died at the hands of u.s. troops.
4. yeah, i based it off the title of the article.
6. innocent iraqis died at the hands of u.s. troops. i don't care how or where.
10. family. iraqi. dead.

2 civilian deaths are bad to me. if they were doing that shit to us on our soil, killing our families, you guys would be up in arms literally. but it doesn't matter when we play world police, because its the terroists families and children that are dying.

i don't have to read any of them. i watch the news enough to know that this occurs all too often. and a simple google search is flooded with articles pages deep. the headlines seem to explain enough. i don't have to read each article to confirm what i already know.
and you seemed to give me a lot of "points" for having "irrelevant" articles.

i understand that iraqis have died from suicide bombers and insurgents. i'm only discussing the ones killed by u.s. troops though. it's unnecessary. if they want to blow up themselves, fine. but i don't live in iraq, so i can't be embarrassed of their country like i am this one. (waiting for "if you don't like it, leave" response)

[impala454]

1. so what if he was convicted. he killed an innocent person. that doesn't excuse it.

I didn't excuse it.

2. civilians/people/group/superman. whatever. iraqis died at the hands of u.s. troops.

uh... it doesn't matter if it was civilians? that was the whole point you were making was that the US is killing iraqi civilians.

6. innocent iraqis died at the hands of u.s. troops. i don't care how or where.

How do you derive that from the article? How do you know it wasn't Iraqi police that killed them?

10. family. iraqi. dead.

Unknown whether they're civilians or insurgents. What is known (at least by your own link) is that they'd previously shot at a U.S. helicopter.

2 civilian deaths are bad to me. if they were doing that shit to us on our soil, killing our families, you guys would be up in arms literally.

You talk as if we're over there seeking out Iraqi civilians and murdering them. Virtually every example you've given is either wrong or was an accident. Accidents happen.

but it doesn't matter when we play world police, because its the terroists families and children that are dying.

LOL.... and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them? So daddy decides to go join a terrorist organization, murder and car bomb innocents, and then hide behind his family and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them!?!?

i don't have to read any of them. i watch the news enough to know that this occurs all too often.

Funny, I didn't see any of your articles come from any of the major news sources. Which news do you watch? When was the last time it occured? If it happens "all too often" it should be easy for you to find some kind of source of our murderous troops rampaging the Iraqi elementary schools like you seem to think.

and a simple google search is flooded with articles pages deep. the headlines seem to explain enough. i don't have to read each article to confirm what i already know.

All the articles you posted were bullshit! And yet you think the headlines are explain enough.

and you seemed to give me a lot of "points" for having "irrelevant" articles.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt to show you the real point. That the civilian casualties from US troops are negligible in comparison to how much worse they could be, or how bad they were in previous wars.

i understand that iraqis have died from suicide bombers and insurgents. i'm only discussing the ones killed by u.s. troops though. it's unnecessary.

Well no shit it's "unnecessary". Any human being's death short of passing away in bed at age 105 is "unnecessary". What point are you trying to drive home here? All your doing is your armchair bitching and not even looking at the circumstances. You've been brainwashed into believing every headline you see without question.

if they want to blow up themselves, fine. but i don't live in iraq, so i can't be embarrassed of their country like i am this one. (waiting for "if you don't like it, leave" response)

Why would you be embarrassed of our country for going over there and surgically striking well enough to have only had a few hundred civilian casualties in a war that's claimed 151,000 (according to iraqi health ministry). That is freaking amazing if you ask me.