My issue with Obama Options

[Hartmann]

Alright, so I have no problem with Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the pledge or national anthem but I do have an issue with him not explaining why.

He skirts the question every time, usually responding, "This is the classic dirty trick of the campaign.". He his making some sort of statement by not doing this and I want to know what it is.

[cmac]

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/77064/
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=3716
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=55793...ionid=351020201
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=47129
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3102920.stm
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=53050...ionid=351020201
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/13/...in3933530.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jul2007/civi-j17.shtml
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/world/mi...;pagewanted=all
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/mid...amily_in_Kirkuk

u.s. soldiers. u.s. weapons.
innocent lives
need some more articles?
there's tons of 'em.

[impala454]

link 1: 1 death, soldier responsible was convicted by military court and sent to prison for 10 years

link 2: "a group of what appear to be civilians" - how could this be determined by the antiwar.com people that posted it? that video is so terrible, and they have no idea the context of how or why those people were there, or why the pilot was called to that location. You can't determine these were civilians. +0.

link 3: Second hand information from some "officials from hospitals" that were "unauthorzed to speak to the media" Let's assume it's true though. So +8.

link 4: "An error seems to have occurred. Please try again later."

link 5: Iraqi police were chasing a car in an unmarked pickup with a rear mounted machine gun. The car and unmarked pickup blew through a US checkpoint and was fired upon. One Iraqi officer died. +1. Legit friendly fire incident, but understandable IMHO.

link 6: Another medical official claims "At least eleven Iraqis, including women and children, have been killed." Article also says "US-led forces have been launching attacks against mainly Shia neighborhoods which are believed to be stronghold of supporters of moqtada sadr. "US-led forces" implies that there were other forces, most likely Iraqi police, involved. Also is it really the US's fault that these cowards hide in civilian neighborhoods? Should we just ask nicely for him to come out so we can kill him? Pathetic. I'll even give you this one though. +11.

link 7: A terrible accident. "In its statement, the military said that "coalition forces fired a warning shot into a berm near a suspicious woman who appeared to be signaling to someone while the soldiers were in the area. A young girl was found behind the berm suffering from a gunshot wound." +1.

link 8: A bunch of anecdotes cobbled together by "World Socialist Web Site". . I'll keep giving you the benefit of the doubt though I suppose, just to prove my point (which is coming). "US military has officially admitted to killing or wounding 429 Iraqis." This says kill or wound. Usually there are far more wounded than killed, but hey like I said, benefit of the doubt. +429. No way of knowing really how many of the 429 were already included by one of the other statements, but whatever.

link 9: Exact same story as #7. +0.

link 10: Extremely vague story from "monstersandcritics.com". And it says "Iraqi family" who had previously attacked U.S. helicopters. It doesn't mean they were civilians. +0.

So, 451 in your examples here (most likely nowhere near that, but again, benefit of the doubt here). Your other dramatic, terrible, omgzwarisbad link, iraqbodycount.com shows between 84,040 and 91,703 documented civilian deaths. Who killed the rest of em? Is a 0.5% civilian bad to you?

Keep tryin though Mr. Armchair. I'm not impressed by your google search and copy/paste. The fact that you posted the same story twice proves you didn't read any of them. I guess I'm not that surprised though, because it seems all too often the people who take your view don't ever look into anything. They take what the media hands them at face value without any regard for its meaning.