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impala454
post Apr 30 2008, 08:31 AM
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Ok Lance, here ya go man, a big fat juicy one. Surprised you haven't posted it yet smile.gif
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5741363.html
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Mystery continues to envelop a man shot and killed by Houston police Tuesday morning after a high-speed chase that ended near the Galleria.

The victim was identified by friends as Roland Vincent Carnaby, 52, of Houston. But who he really was — or more precisely, what he was — is something police are still trying to piece together.

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Whatever his real story, Carnaby's life came to an end about 11 a.m. after police forced his vehicle to a stop. He didn't acknowledge the officers who encircled him with guns drawn. And he "refused to put his hands where the officers could see him," said Houston Police Sgt. John Chomiak.

"The driver refused to comply, talk or roll down the window," Chomiak said.

He opened the driver's side door only after one of the officers smashed the passenger-side window, police said.

"He stepped out of his vehicle, turned around and reached under the seat," Chomiak said.

When he did, two officers each fired one time, authorities said. The officers were identified by police officials as HPD Sgt. A.J. Washington and Officer C.A. Foster. Carnaby was later pronounced dead at Ben Taub Hospital.

The incident lasted most of an hour. It began with a routine traffic stop when Carnaby was pulled over for speeding along Texas 288 near Orem. Carnaby raced away after the officers learned he had a license to carry a concealed weapon, police said.

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Although an initial examination revealed no weapons inside the man's car, that changed once it was taken into custody for a more detailed search.

"We have located three weapons inside the vehicle — two pistols and a shotgun," said HPD spokesman John Cannon. "At least one of them was within reach of the suspect."


There is definitely something fishy here. If nothing else, as to why the guy ran in the first place. I don't really question the police much in what they did, as the video on the news clearly showed him get out, then reach under the seat for something. I'm really curious if it was really a gun or something else. Not sure what the outcome will be, but when a 52 year old white man gets shot by da popos, it's bound to get a second look... laugh.gif
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post Apr 30 2008, 01:47 PM
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post Apr 30 2008, 02:58 PM
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But that means that a potential criminal should not be allowed to kill someone. How do you propose solving that issue?

You are trying to remove the reality from the situation by suggesting this world is one where people act in a loving manner towards each other. I, on the other hand live in reality, understanding that there are bad people in the world and blowing bubbles in their direction does not make them drop their weapon.

Now, do I think force is always necessary? Absolutely not. But, if someone is putting another person's life in harm's way and force is the only possible action to remove that threat, then so be it. You cannot tell me in all honesty that you believe force is never necessary. That's utopia and we don't live there.

How do you expect crime to be dealt with in high risk areas? Gang territory? I'd love there to be success stories in those places of good people stepping up and doing the right thing, but you know what, that is the exception rather than the rule.


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- impala454   HPD kills a federal agent after high speed chase?   Apr 30 2008, 08:31 AM
- - Oasis   I don't get it. Dumbass runs from the cops, re...   Apr 30 2008, 08:55 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Oasis @ Apr 30 2008, 09:55 AM) I d...   Apr 30 2008, 09:19 AM
- - Testm0nkey   he sounds just like a nutjob who just wanted to pr...   Apr 30 2008, 09:12 AM
- - Hartmann   QUOTE That's the question his friends want ans...   Apr 30 2008, 09:12 AM
- - Hartmann   The gun could have been in a hidden pouch or somet...   Apr 30 2008, 09:25 AM
- - cmac   killing someone is never the 'right' thing...   Apr 30 2008, 10:15 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cmac @ Apr 30 2008, 11:15 AM) kill...   Apr 30 2008, 10:21 AM
- - impala454   video on this link: http://www.khou.com/topstories...   Apr 30 2008, 10:23 AM
- - cmac   yeah, none of those either. so this guy did or did...   Apr 30 2008, 10:29 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cmac @ Apr 30 2008, 11:29 AM) yeah...   Apr 30 2008, 11:18 AM
- - cmac   i don't know. smoke bomb, tranquilizer dart,...   Apr 30 2008, 11:34 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (cmac @ Apr 30 2008, 12:34 PM) i do...   Apr 30 2008, 11:50 AM
- - cmac   yeah, it really sucks valuing life and all...   Apr 30 2008, 11:53 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (cmac @ Apr 30 2008, 12:53 PM) yeah...   Apr 30 2008, 01:38 PM
- - impala454   The officers are valuing life. their own   Apr 30 2008, 11:59 AM
- - cmac   RE: HPD kills a federal agent after high speed chase?   Apr 30 2008, 01:47 PM
|- - Hartmann   But that means that a potential criminal should no...   Apr 30 2008, 02:58 PM
- - impala454   Sounds like a typical democrat type answer. All c...   Apr 30 2008, 02:06 PM
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- - cmac   QUOTE (solution @ Apr 30 2008, 01:06 PM) ...   Apr 30 2008, 02:09 PM
- - impala454   that is not a solution.   Apr 30 2008, 02:13 PM
- - cmac   and there's the republican type answer. guess ...   Apr 30 2008, 02:19 PM
- - impala454   well if you give a dumbass solution that obviously...   Apr 30 2008, 02:41 PM
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