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[pebkac]

So as I posted before, I'm taking Desrosiers for CS 1412. He's a dick.

Each week in lab we have a quiz. And the questions are usually either based on sheer memorization and usually pretty stupid. Last time in lab, the question was to write a program in PEN AND PAPER to use a SortedList (a generic class in C#) to do some stuff. No access to the book or MSDN either. He didn't cover it in lecture, it isn't in the assigned reading, but it was in a set of code samples he gave us (among 10 other samples). When the TA passed the quiz around, I saw a look of puzzlement amongst my fellow students. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who had no clue what to do here. In fact, literally half the lab cheated and looked things up on MSDN while the TA wasn't looking. I didn't, but I don't really blame the students that did.

Each week, the quiz is something more ridiculous than the one before it. And every time the quiz grades come back terrible, he blames us and tells us we need to read more.

Does anyone have any advice for me here? I could talk to Desrosiers, but I honestly don't know that it would do any good. Has anyone had much luck going over their professor's head and talking to the dept chair or anything of that nature?

[Mommy]

Unless you are seeking what Blue said, college in general is the biggest waste of fucking money ever. You pay $30,000+ to put that you have a degree on your resume.

On a side note, Blue, I thought the Philosophy Dept. at Tech was on nationally recognized on the graduate level?

[impala454]

Unless you are seeking what Blue said, college in general is the biggest waste of fucking money ever. You pay $30,000+ to put that you have a degree on your resume.

You've gotta be kidding me. Are you telling me you think someone without a degree can go up against someone with one and get hired? We've got salesmen here with "bullshit" degrees like general business or economics or whatever, who pull in six figures easily. Granted not all business majors get jobs like that, but I know guys with business degrees who are making mid 40s two years out of school. Not to mention school loan interest rates are laughably low.

I'm not saying you can't make money without a degree, but it helps a ton, and saying that college in general is a waste of money is just downright stupid. Sure, it's a waste of money if you exit college and don't go get a job.

[Mommy]

You've gotta be kidding me. Are you telling me you think someone without a degree can go up against someone with one and get hired? We've got salesmen here with "bullshit" degrees like general business or economics or whatever, who pull in six figures easily. Granted not all business majors get jobs like that, but I know guys with business degrees who are making mid 40s two years out of school. Not to mention school loan interest rates are laughably low.

I'm not saying you can't make money without a degree, but it helps a ton, and saying that college in general is a waste of money is just downright stupid. Sure, it's a waste of money if you exit college and don't go get a job.

again, you're not understanding what Im saying. I never said that degree vs no degree. I said a degree is a waste of money except to write it on a resume. I dont think that anyone in a public state university is challenged to their full potential when 1) the state makes you learn shit you should have learned in high school and 2) there is a severe lacking i real world trainging. Major classes are too theoretical and not enough hands on. Thats just MY OPINION. Im not asking you to agree. Neither does it mean that I skated the program (like Blue has been assuming) so I didnt get the "full affect of college"...whatever that means

[impala454]

again, you're not understanding what Im saying. I never said that degree vs no degree. I said a degree is a waste of money except to write it on a resume. I dont think that anyone in a public state university is challenged to their full potential when 1) the state makes you learn shit you should have learned in high school and 2) there is a severe lacking i real world trainging. Major classes are too theoretical and not enough hands on. Thats just MY OPINION. Im not asking you to agree. Neither does it mean that I skated the program (like Blue has been assuming) so I didnt get the "full affect of college"...whatever that means

I dunno how I'm misunderstanding "college in general is the biggest fucking waste of money ever". You put the disclaimer "unless you're getting what blue said" which he said specific "sciences fields or corporate law."

[Mommy]

I dunno how I'm misunderstanding "college is the biggest fucking waste of money ever". You put the disclaimer "unless you're getting what blue said" which he said specific "sciences fields or corporate law."

Ok...seriously. You need to take some logic courses. I'm not meaning that in a mean way either. I just don't think you can think on a level that others can. You read things way too literally and you never read past that.

Let me explain

College is a waste of money because most fields require graduate work and beyond to fair well in salary... The obvious exceptions to that would be computer science, engineering, and possibly architecture. Oh and nursing. Therefore, in essence, most of us spent tens of thousands of dollars to take 90 hours of stuff we should have learned in high school (which is free) and only 30 hours of stuff that actually pertains to what we want to do. That's $1000 per course for our "future".... Now, if one were to major in lets just say...psychology. The average psychology major coming out of school makes less than $26,000 a year. That's horse shit. Now, is that degree a stepping stone? Yes. But it shouldn't be like that. We shouldn't have to pay $30,000 for a stepping stone to other things we are going to have to pay even more for (grad school) or low salaries we are going to have to settle for (something to write on your resume for an entry-level job that had high schools done their jobs we would have been able to do coming out of high school).

[impala454]

Ok...seriously. You need to take some logic courses. I'm not meaning that in a mean way either. I just don't think you can think on a level that others can. You read things way too literally and you never read past that.

Please everyone dispense with these stupid bullshit comments. "you need to learn to read" "you need to learn logic". You made a statement, "in general college is a fucking waste of money" with the exception blue mentioned about science fields. there is absolutely nothing figurative about that statement. there's no implications, other than college is a fucking waste of money. don't back out of what you said, or come back on me and act like I'm stupid or some shit and that I don't understand what you said. all you have to do is further extend your comments and admit that what you said about college being worthless is dumb, or in the least, incomplete as far as what you failed to communicate. insulting my intelligence doesn't make your comment make any more sense. Nor does any "logics course" in existence (if those even exist). maybe read your own shit and think about it before you hit the submit button.

Let me explain

College is a waste of money because most fields require graduate work and beyond to fair well in salary... The obvious exceptions to that would be computer science, engineering, and possibly architecture.

This is completely subjective and depends on what your definition of a good salary is. Like I said before, I know several people who make well into the 40s, 2-3 years out of school, with bachelors business degrees. IMHO this is a good salary. Sure, they started off at $26-28k, but you gotta prove your worth before you get paid. In ALL fields. Your definition of what a good salary may differ I dunno.

Therefore, in essence, most of us spent tens of thousands of dollars to take 90 hours of stuff we should have learned in high school

I agree with you here, but it doesn't = college being worthless. I think there's something to be said for taking some of those classes. 90 hours though? Naw... I think I had about 24 or so at most. Two english, two history, one govt, and 2-3 others.

(which is free)

You'll find out as soon as you buy a house just how "free" public schools are.

and only 30 hours of stuff that actually pertains to what we want to do.

This isn't anywhere near right either. 30 hours is how much you need for something like a minor.

That's $1000 per course for our "future".... Now, if one were to major in lets just say...psychology. The average psychology major coming out of school makes less than $26,000 a year. That's horse shit.

Why is it horse shit? What should a psychology major be paid coming out of school? $40k? $50k? $100k? What job would you do to earn that much money? I am the owner of a ________ company, tell me why I should pay you $X right out of college with a psychology degree.

Now, is that degree a stepping stone? Yes. But it shouldn't be like that. We shouldn't have to pay $30,000 for a stepping stone to other things we are going to have to pay even more for (grad school) or low salaries we are going to have to settle for (something to write on your resume for an entry-level job that had high schools done their jobs we would have been able to do coming out of high school).

Oh, so now it really comes out. You're just pissy that you didnt make booku cash right out of school, so it must be the college in general's fault, not yours. This really should be moved to the "Pussification of America" thread. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very few degrees where this happens (even in engineering, just on a lesser scale). If you sit down, shut up, take your low paying job right of school, and make something of yourself, you will end up making much more, and the $30k you borrowed from the govt at 3% interest will end up being the best investment you ever made. ALL degrees are stepping stones/door openers/etc, not the end all be all of your career. Hell, after your first couple years, nobody gives a shit what degree you got or where it was from. All they care about from that point on is your experience.