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post Mar 10 2008, 02:53 PM
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Very sad. One time that I actually believe the kid wasn't involved in a gang himself. He had offers to go to Stanford, and his mom was serving in Iraq when her 17 year old was killed.
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post Mar 10 2008, 04:01 PM
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LA is the gang capital of the western hemisphere. i heard a boys and girls club director in long beach say theres a few murders every weekend. after 911 police had to turn from working gangs to anti terrorism investigations even now. since then theres been a gang resurgence in a lot of areas. comparing the number of deaths, loss to the economy, and other criminal activity due to gang related issues versus terrorism in america would be interesting

sad. that father especially got to me


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post Mar 10 2008, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 10 2008, 04:01 PM) *
LA is the gang capital of the western hemisphere. i heard a boys and girls club director in long beach say theres a few murders every weekend. after 911 police had to turn from working gangs to anti terrorism investigations even now. since then theres been a gang resurgence in a lot of areas. comparing the number of deaths, loss to the economy, and other criminal activity due to gang related issues versus terrorism in america would be interesting

sad. that father especially got to me


If protecting us from terrorism means a bunch of worthless gangbangers killing each other than so be it.


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post Mar 10 2008, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Mar 10 2008, 09:59 PM) *
If protecting us from terrorism means a bunch of worthless gangbangers killing each other than so be it.

You know that a lot of innocent people are caught in the crossfire of these gang battles, right?

It's really not something to just overlook.


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post Mar 11 2008, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 10 2008, 10:42 PM) *
You know that a lot of innocent people are caught in the crossfire of these gang battles, right?

It's really not something to just overlook.


Hmmm.

A few people vs. 3000 people .... 30,000 people ... 300,000 people ... hell, maybe even 3,000,000 people...?

I'll take a few.


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post Mar 11 2008, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Mar 11 2008, 02:11 PM) *
Hmmm.

A few people vs. 3000 people .... 30,000 people ... 300,000 people ... hell, maybe even 3,000,000 people...?

I'll take a few.


Hmmm, didn't know America was so dumb-fucked in the head that both areas of crime couldn't be prevented/investigated. I guess you can only focus on one, right?
Ah well. *shrug*


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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 11 2008, 01:45 PM) *
Hmmm, didn't know America was so dumb-fucked in the head that both areas of crime couldn't be prevented/investigated. I guess you can only focus on one, right?
Ah well. *shrug*


If the "focus" on the latter requires that less resources be allocated to the prior, then yes, I will support the latter any day of the week.

Should there ben a dire need for focus and resources allocated to dealing with the prior, then I suggest paying cops more money to make it worth their while and hiring more of them, as well as support from the public in these localities to fund this should they deem this important to them.

Ultimatley, as cold and harsh as this sounds, I look at this in a similar aspect to somone getting in a traffic accident, except the odds of dying because of gang related violence is probably astronomically lower than getting in a car wreck and dying.

Think about it. How likley are you to be killed by a gang member when you're innocent? Probably one HELL of a lot less likley than you are to be killed in a car wreck on your way to work every day .

So does this mean we need to cause mass upheaval and demand from this point on there will be no one killed in a car wreck every again through battle-proofing all vehicles, making every road an 8-lane highway, etc, at the cost of eleventy-billion dollars?

No.

Like I said, it sounds cold and harsh, but stastically speaking, if it's true that preventing terrorism takes resources from preventing gang violence, I'd say prevent terrorism. A few hundred thousand people getting killed vs. a few is a risk I'm sure virtually every american would be willing to take if it all came down to the wire.


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- Jessica   Wow... touching story. Very sad   Mar 10 2008, 02:53 PM
- - Testm0nkey   LA is the gang capital of the western hemisphere. ...   Mar 10 2008, 04:01 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 10 2008, 05:01 PM...   Mar 10 2008, 04:05 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 10 2008, 04:01 PM...   Mar 10 2008, 08:59 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Mar 10 2008, 09:59 PM) I...   Mar 10 2008, 10:42 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 10 2008, 10:42 PM)...   Mar 11 2008, 01:11 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Mar 11 2008, 02:11 PM) H...   Mar 11 2008, 01:45 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 11 2008, 01:45 PM)...   Mar 11 2008, 01:53 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   this is why i approve of limited vigilante justice...   Mar 10 2008, 07:57 PM
- - Oasis   when I think about this story I touch myself   Mar 10 2008, 08:08 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Oasis @ Mar 10 2008, 09:08 PM) whe...   Mar 10 2008, 08:13 PM
- - Testm0nkey   i dont think he read the article - which is just o...   Mar 10 2008, 10:47 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   agreed. i would support gang on gang violence co...   Mar 10 2008, 11:08 PM
- - Jessica   http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ylocalnews...894...   Mar 11 2008, 06:20 PM
- - Testm0nkey   the terrorism vs. gang violence debate: how many ...   Mar 11 2008, 07:46 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 11 2008, 07:46 PM...   Mar 11 2008, 09:09 PM
- - Testm0nkey   wow you really are from wyomming! lots of gang...   Mar 12 2008, 07:41 AM
- - impala454   ok, blacks & mexicans   Mar 12 2008, 08:51 AM
- - Testm0nkey   white people and asians etc   Mar 12 2008, 10:09 AM
- - impala454   Ok ok... blacks & mexicans, with a sprinkle on...   Mar 12 2008, 11:58 AM
- - impala454   and during my temporary ban i saw yalls signatures...   Mar 12 2008, 12:00 PM
|- - Jessica   QUOTE (impala454 @ Mar 12 2008, 01:00 PM)...   Mar 12 2008, 12:01 PM
- - Jessica   Gotta say that a lot of gang bangin homies are mex...   Mar 12 2008, 12:00 PM
- - impala454   eh just the usual thing, sarcastic comment gone wr...   Mar 12 2008, 12:02 PM
- - Jessica   oh. fun   Mar 12 2008, 12:10 PM
- - Testm0nkey   the largest most violent gang in america are made ...   Mar 12 2008, 04:16 PM
- - impala454   I didn't really think of nazis as gangs but I ...   Mar 12 2008, 04:20 PM
- - Testm0nkey   most is true. MS13 is the largest most violent ga...   Mar 12 2008, 04:27 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 12 2008, 05:27 PM...   Mar 12 2008, 04:34 PM
- - impala454   coulda sworn MS13 was mexicans... and I already ...   Mar 12 2008, 04:31 PM
- - Testm0nkey   so gangs need a website to be real?   Mar 12 2008, 04:35 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 12 2008, 05:35 PM...   Mar 12 2008, 04:37 PM
- - impala454   give it up man, she's counting MS13 as white p...   Mar 12 2008, 04:40 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (impala454 @ Mar 12 2008, 05:40 PM)...   Mar 12 2008, 04:44 PM
- - Testm0nkey   when did i say they were white? brandon honestly ...   Mar 12 2008, 04:50 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Mar 12 2008, 05:50 PM...   Mar 12 2008, 11:50 PM


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