Topless protest (someone changed my title, link NSFW Options

[chook]

(NSFW Link)

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/DJQuQEH/Top...-campaign-party

[The Fanatic]

Vietnam?

[Dogmeat]

Vietnam?

Protesting did not stop the Vietnam war.

If you recall, Nixon capitlized on it to get elected, then nothing happened.

It ended as it would have regardless of all the protests.

[Psykopath]

Protesting did not stop the Vietnam war.

If you recall, Nixon capitlized on it to get elected, then nothing happened.

It ended as it would have regardless of all the protests.

You think the protesting didn't have even the slightest impact on that war?

Wow...well, ok then...How about Civil Rights protests? Those change anything?

[Dogmeat]

You think the protesting didn't have even the slightest impact on that war?

Wow...well, ok then...How about Civil Rights protests? Those change anything?

The civil rights protests, meaning the million man march and the like, probably did.

However, that was also basically the mother of all protests.

A bunch of fat bitches with their shirts off whining about how horrible life is for something to do hasn't really ever changed a god damned thing, has it?

[Psykopath]

The civil rights protests, meaning the million man march and the like, probably did.

However, that was also basically the mother of all protests.

A bunch of fat bitches with their shirts off whining about how horrible life is for something to do hasn't really ever changed a god damned thing, has it?

*sigh*
Tell you what.

You win.

Let's go protest against protesting.
Fuck the First Amendment in general! I don't agree with what those hippie tree-huggers have to say, so they shouldn't be free to say it. Now if they want to talk GOOD about war, eliminating alternative fuels and ONLY focusing on the finite wonder oil, executing the mentally retarded, or whatever extremist right-wing bullshit you shove up you cock by the hour...then that's A-OK~!! But ANYTHING that challenges MY personal views is not only WRONG, but it should be outright banned for hurting the "common" good.

[Dogmeat]

*sigh*
Tell you what.

You win.

Let's go protest against protesting.
Fuck the First Amendment in general! I don't agree with what those hippie tree-huggers have to say, so they shouldn't be free to say it. Now if they want to talk GOOD about war, eliminating alternative fuels and ONLY focusing on the finite wonder oil, executing the mentally retarded, or whatever extremist right-wing bullshit you shove up you cock by the hour...then that's A-OK~!! But ANYTHING that challenges MY personal views is not only WRONG, but it should be outright banned for hurting the "common" good.

Zach, I've never once stated, or implied, "Fuck the First Amendment in general!"

I have however, said that protesting in and of itself is largley ineffective, and overall, pretty fucking stupid IMO.

I understand it's a first amendment right. That's fine, and I've never implied that it isn't. Just because it's a first amendment right, and probably even ... I don't know what's the other amendment that allows public gatherings and shit? I can't remember the number of that one. Anyways, I've never implied that it should be banned.

Please, show me where i've said protesting should be banned.

I've said I think it's fucking retarded, but did I say ban it? Nope, never.

[Psykopath]

Zach, I've never once stated, or implied, "Fuck the First Amendment in general!"

I have however, said that protesting in and of itself is largley ineffective, and overall, pretty fucking stupid IMO.

I understand it's a first amendment right. That's fine, and I've never implied that it isn't. Just because it's a first amendment right, and probably even ... I don't know what's the other amendment that allows public gatherings and shit? I can't remember the number of that one. Anyways, I've never implied that it should be banned.

Please, show me where i've said protesting should be banned.

I've said I think it's fucking retarded, but did I say ban it? Nope, never.

Sorry. I just get tiffed when people blatantly disrespect basic rights.

And when you said it hasn't accomplished anything...yeah, couldn't believe my eyes for a bit.

But it's cool.

Now, back to talking about Christine and cumsluts sextits!

[Dogmeat]

Sorry. I just get tiffed when people blatantly disrespect basic rights.

And when you said it hasn't accomplished anything...yeah, couldn't believe my eyes for a bit.

But it's cool.

Now, back to talking about Christine and cumsluts sextits!

OH SNAP!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE FIRST POLITICAL RPG'ER TO GET HIT WITH THE "USE EMOTIONAL LOGIC IN AN INTERNET POLITICAL ARGUMENT AND LOSE - Cuddle with Cathryn until you eat Tofu and barf it up -10 modifier to charisma!" PENALTY!!!!!!!!

haha

but seriously, what has protesting seriously accomplished? I want to see what a direct result of fat bitches with their shirts off, trust fund babies griping about how horrible the same system that is propping them up is, etc ..

The protests in Tienneman Square accomplished nothing, etc...

If protests worked, we wouldn't have terrorism would we?

Seriously, I don't see where it's accomplished much ...

[Psykopath]

OH SNAP!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE FIRST POLITICAL RPG'ER TO GET HIT WITH THE "USE EMOTIONAL LOGIC IN AN INTERNET POLITICAL ARGUMENT AND LOSE - Cuddle with Cathryn until you eat Tofu and barf it up -10 modifier to charisma!" PENALTY!!!!!!!!

haha

but seriously, what has protesting seriously accomplished? I want to see what a direct result of fat bitches with their shirts off, trust fund babies griping about how horrible the same system that is propping them up is, etc ..

The protests in Tienneman Square accomplished nothing, etc...

If protests worked, we wouldn't have terrorism would we?

Seriously, I don't see where it's accomplished much ...

It's accomplished plenty. See: civil rights as the BIGGEST example (which you seem to off and on ignore).
Seriously.

[impala454]

It's accomplished plenty. See: civil rights as the BIGGEST example (which you seem to off and on ignore).
Seriously.

Definitely true. Now what else?

[Psykopath]

Definitely true. Now what else?

Vietnam War.
The protests DID have an affect on this war, regardless of Dogmeat believes.
They helped bring to light growing public oppostion to the conflict, something politicians were unknowingly or knowingly blind to. (Same could be said for some of the Anti-Iraq protests)


To Dogmeat and Impala:
You both see protesting as ineffective.

What is the alternative method(s) of political action that you would both suggest?

[Hartmann]

Vietnam War.
The protests DID have an affect on this war, regardless of Dogmeat believes.
They helped bring to light growing public oppostion to the conflict, something politicians were unknowingly or knowingly blind to. (Same could be said for some of the Anti-Iraq protests)
To Dogmeat and Impala:
You both see protesting as ineffective.

What is the alternative method(s) of political action that you would both suggest?

I see most protesting as ineffective for most issues. The reason it worked during Vietnam is because you had an entire age group completely against the war because they didn't want to go.

I'm not sure the Civil Rights protesting had any positive effects besides MLK's speeches. Instead the rioting and protesting in Detroit and places of the like created more chaos and made the African American population look bad as a whole (IMO).

Personally, the silent protests and people who take action have more of an impact than those who loudly protest and proclaim something as wrong.

[Psykopath]

I see most protesting as ineffective for most issues. The reason it worked during Vietnam is because you had an entire age group completely against the war because they didn't want to go.

I'm not sure the Civil Rights protesting had any positive effects besides MLK's speeches. Instead the rioting and protesting in Detroit and places of the like created more chaos and made the African American population look bad as a whole (IMO).

Personally, the silent protests and people who take action have more of an impact than those who loudly protest and proclaim something as wrong.

exactly...it's still a form of protest, which is what I'm arguing for.

[Dogmeat]

exactly...it's still a form of protest, which is what I'm arguing for.

But what is a silent protest? Explain this to me.

[Psykopath]

But what is a silent protest? Explain this to me.

A gathering of people for a common cause that attempt to bring notice to their particular issue by numbers and non-violent civil disobedience.
See "sit-ins" as a similar example.

[Dogmeat]

A gathering of people for a common cause that attempt to bring notice to their particular issue by numbers and non-violent civil disobedience.
See "sit-ins" as a similar example.

Ok, so what has this form of protest accomplished?

[Psykopath]

Ok, so what has this form of protest accomplished?

This is ridiculous...read a god damned history book covering the last 50 years in America.
Are you really this fucking dense or is it just the e-Dogmeat thing?

yeah silent protest != hippies sitting around refusing to leave

Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

[Dogmeat]

This is ridiculous...read a god damned history book covering the last 50 years in America.
Are you really this fucking dense or is it just the e-Dogmeat thing?
Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

If it's so obvious what silent protesting is and what it's accomplished you should be able to explain this to me off the top of your head quite easily. I'm not the one with the political science degree, you are. I'm assuming this shouldn't be a stretch for you by any means.

[Psykopath]

If it's so obvious what silent protesting is and what it's accomplished you should be able to explain this to me off the top of your head quite easily. I'm not the one with the political science degree, you are. I'm assuming this shouldn't be a stretch for you by any means.

Silent protest:

Students in a classroom are opposed to an overly strict absentee policy. They all skip class by standing outside the classroom, with the obvious intent being that they won't return to the classroom unless the policy is changed.

Students are opposed to Bush speaking at their campus.
They go to the rally wearing, let's say...shirts with the Democratic donkey on them and are quiet as church mice, never once applauding or anything.

Little stuff, like that.

[Dogmeat]

Silent protest:

Students in a classroom are opposed to an overly strict absentee policy. They all skip class by standing outside the classroom, with the obvious intent being that they won't return to the classroom unless the policy is changed.

Students are opposed to Bush speaking at their campus.
They go to the rally wearing, let's say...shirts with the Democratic donkey on them and are quiet as church mice, never once applauding or anything.

Little stuff, like that.

Ok, so what was the goal of these silent protests and did they accomplish these goals?

[Psykopath]

Ok, so what was the goal of these silent protests and did they accomplish these goals?

1.) Yes, we got the professor to understand that a severe illness or an unforeseen emergency can cause someone to miss class and that a "zero-tolerance" policy on attendance is a bit too harsh.

2.) Yes, the group accomplishes its goal of showing Bush that not everyone supports him.


Goals can be big or they can be small. Doesn't really matter, protesting is a form of political participation.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 4 2008, 11:01 PM

[impala454]

1.) Yes, we got the professor to understand that a severe illness or an unforeseen emergency can cause someone to miss class and that a "zero-tolerance" policy on attendance is a bit too harsh.

So protest is an effective means of change in our country because you and some classmates stood outside like little babies crying about how the professor treats you. Reminds me of some little toddler who misbehaves until mommy buys him the toy he wants. My guess is your professor caved bc he didnt feel like dealing with it and wanted yall to quit actin like little kids and get the hell in the classroom. That's not making change, it's throwing a tantrum so you can get what you want.

2.) Yes, the group accomplishes its goal of showing Bush that not everyone supports him.
Goals can be big or they can be small. Doesn't really matter, protesting is a form of political participation.

Show someone you don't support them by going and listening to them speak and *gasp* not cheering. Damn that is genius! I'm sure Bush was terribly distraught and practically ready to throw in the towel on his career as a politician after that!

[Psykopath]

So protest is an effective means of change in our country because you and some classmates stood outside like little babies crying about how the professor treats you. Reminds me of some little toddler who misbehaves until mommy buys him the toy he wants. My guess is your professor caved bc he didnt feel like dealing with it and wanted yall to quit actin like little kids and get the hell in the classroom. That's not making change, it's throwing a tantrum so you can get what you want.
Show someone you don't support them by going and listening to them speak and *gasp* not cheering. Damn that is genius! I'm sure Bush was terribly distraught and practically ready to throw in the towel on his career as a politician after that!

The "we" was an in general statement.
Never said it was me or that it was real. But hey, assumptions rock for you, that's cool.

And hey, like I said: protests come in all shapes and sizes. The hypothetical (guess I should have stated this in the beginning, but I thought it was assumed...oh well) goal was accomplished: show that not everyone agrees with the president.
Hell, hundreds of thousands marched against shrub's war, and he still didn't care.


Meh, I tire of this. You and Aaron feel protesting is not effective. That's fine, your opinion. It obviously has been, and will be again should the circumstances call for it. I'm just glad I live in a country were protesting, for better or worse, is allowed.

[impala454]

The "we" was an in general statement.
Never said it was me or that it was real. But hey, assumptions rock for you, that's cool.

Mmmk... "Hey guys, we went to the ball game." Oh, but I didn't really go, I just made that up, you're a dumbass for assuming I was really talking about me and an experience I had.

And hey, like I said: protests come in all shapes and sizes. The hypothetical (guess I should have stated this in the beginning, but I thought it was assumed...oh well) goal was accomplished: show that not everyone agrees with the president.

Your hypothetical protest didn't accomplish anything. Unless you think there are people stupid enough to have the notion that "everyone agrees with the president". And even if there were people stupid enough to believe that, someone going to the president's speech with a democrat shirt on won't change anything.

Meh, I tire of this. You and Aaron feel protesting is not effective. That's fine, your opinion. It obviously has been, and will be again should the circumstances call for it. I'm just glad I live in a country were protesting, for better or worse, is allowed.

We've had two examples of successful protesting, and in those cases I'd call it more of a movement as per the number of people involved. The protesting Aaron and I are talking about are the other 99% of protests that occur. Some dipshits picketing outside abortion clinics harassing people as they go in, people taking off work to camp out at Bush's house because they're against the war. They're fruitless wastes of time and money. There's too many people out there nowadays who do nothing but speak out against something they don't like, rather than speak out for something. I suppose its easiest for a weak mind to be against something rather than for the opposite thing.