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Should we enslave the poor?
Should we enslave the poor in order to end poverty?
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Dogmeat
post Feb 22 2008, 02:49 PM
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It's really dawned on me that the poor, be they white, black, mexican, eskimo, french, who or whatever ..

Essentially contribute nothing to society.

They're lazy, they have bad attitudes, they aren't motivated, and generally speaking are just leeches on the rest of us who are actually attempting to be productive in life.

The problem with slavery in the past is that it targeted people by race, relegion or other politically incorrect classifications.

I propose that with the last century of what I'll call "Civil Rights Development" in mind, we re-instate slavery however we only enslave those who are jobless.

In essense, we can find everyone a job and then provide them with healthcare, etc, if they are enslaved.

It would be bad business for us to not take care of our slaves, however, the price for us taking care of them will be their slavery.

IE, they will work when, where, and how we tell them to work.

Eventually, once they've worked long and hard enough and are able to support themselves, they will be free of slavery, and than can own their own slaves.

I mean think about it ..

The poor in the ghettos, trailer parks, igloos, whatever... are poor, dejected, on drugs, etc ... they hate where they are, yet somehow, they refuse to leave.

I say we make em leave the shitholes they live in. If they won't get out on their own, we'll make them, enslave them, and force them to better themselves..

All the while contributing to the economy ... we'll have a society of productive people who aren't lazy anymore.

Sound good? I think so.

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The Fanatic
post Mar 3 2008, 10:46 AM
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Do they ignore parts of reality?


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The communist ideology and connotation has been corrupted by Leninism and Stalinism. While originally Marx's notion of the communism form of government as Zach has pointed out was the ultimate goal of men and parties who called themselves socialists, communists, or international worker's groups. The only problem now is that there has been quite a blending of many different economic, political, and sociological backgrounds in the formation of new "gray" states that can not be categorized quite so easily. A prime example of this is the people's republic of China which was formed out of the core beliefs of stalinism and agrarian communist principles, yet today it is dominated by a capitalist globalized economy. Culture can better explain why the principles of Marx differed from one nation to another. When Marx's principles were applied in western europe they were done so democratically because of the route and history that those states had established in determining the proper socio economic reforms needed to better the people. In places like China and Russia (Russia with it's history of reactionary totalitarian tsarist regimes and China with it's history of emperor worship, huge imperial bureaucracies, and corruption) led these nations to corruptly and in most cases incorrectly apply the concepts of Marx and Engels through massive economic reforms aimed at quickly establishing an industrial capitalist economy. Being as Capitalism was a necessary part of the economic evolution to the eventual communist utopia, these agrarian peasant economies were "forced" to displace and kill millions in order to achieve their goals. To conclude, I would argue that while originally both terms were synonymous, in that socialism was a natural precursor and step (as zach said) to the communist "utopia", these terms do not accurately represent the original ideology set forth. Today, most socialists reject the notion of the "utopia" set forth by Marx realizing that socialist principles of economic redistribution and equality can be achieved within a capitalist framework. Also, communist can no longer be described from a purely philosopical or politcal framework without mentioning the corruption that is Stalinism. So while I would argue that both system came from the same ideology they are no longer synonymous and invoke very different political, social, and economic institutions.


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- Dogmeat   Enslave the Poor   Feb 22 2008, 02:49 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   has been done. ever heard of indentured servitude...   Feb 22 2008, 02:51 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Feb 22 2008, 03:51 ...   Feb 22 2008, 02:54 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Feb 22 2008, 02:54 PM) Y...   Feb 22 2008, 03:11 PM
- - impala454   The reason black people bitching about slavery bug...   Feb 22 2008, 03:39 PM
- - Testm0nkey   impala has a black person ever approached you and ...   Feb 22 2008, 05:54 PM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 22 2008, 06:54 PM...   Feb 22 2008, 06:42 PM
|- - James   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 22 2008, 05:54 PM...   Feb 23 2008, 08:26 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 22 2008, 05:54 PM...   Feb 25 2008, 10:01 AM
- - RitalinJunkie   I had someone bitching to me about how their ances...   Feb 23 2008, 08:57 AM
- - Testm0nkey   ... there were black slaves in the carribean as we...   Feb 23 2008, 11:23 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 23 2008, 11:23 AM...   Feb 23 2008, 01:19 PM
- - Oasis   Speaking of black people, I really want a pet monk...   Feb 23 2008, 01:23 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Oasis @ Feb 23 2008, 01:23 PM) Spe...   Feb 23 2008, 01:53 PM
- - pebkac   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Feb 23 2008, 01:19 ...   Feb 23 2008, 03:57 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 23 2008, 03:57 PM) Yo...   Feb 23 2008, 05:31 PM
- - The Fanatic   SHUT THE FUCK UP MONKEY! I HAVE COMPANY! ...   Feb 25 2008, 12:46 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Feb 25 2008, 12:46 P...   Feb 25 2008, 01:01 PM
|- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 25 2008, 01:01 PM)...   Feb 25 2008, 03:49 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Feb 25 2008, 03:49 P...   Feb 25 2008, 04:21 PM
|- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 25 2008, 04:21 PM)...   Feb 25 2008, 04:32 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Feb 25 2008, 04:32 P...   Feb 25 2008, 04:40 PM
- - Testm0nkey   circumstance can also be a force. not necessarily...   Feb 25 2008, 02:44 PM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 25 2008, 02:44 PM...   Feb 26 2008, 01:29 AM
- - impala454   right. that's not everyone else's fault t...   Feb 25 2008, 03:43 PM
- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE Therin lies the difference between Socialist...   Feb 25 2008, 04:37 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 25 2008, 04:37 PM...   Feb 25 2008, 04:44 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 25 2008, 04:44 PM)...   Feb 25 2008, 04:50 PM
- - impala454   All you need to know is what the world socialism m...   Feb 25 2008, 05:07 PM
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|- - impala454   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 25 2008, 05:10 PM)...   Feb 25 2008, 05:13 PM
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|- - pebkac   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 25 2008, 05:13 PM)...   Feb 25 2008, 10:38 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 25 2008, 10:38 PM) WO...   Feb 26 2008, 01:27 AM
|- - The Fanatic   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 26 2008, 01:27 AM)...   Feb 26 2008, 05:19 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Feb 26 2008, 05:19 P...   Feb 27 2008, 09:28 AM
- - The Fanatic   Wow nice retort impala Saying my ideas are stupi...   Feb 25 2008, 05:28 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (The Fanatic @ Feb 25 2008, 05:28 P...   Feb 25 2008, 05:52 PM
- - The Fanatic   QUOTE Why do you need the government to control an...   Feb 25 2008, 05:38 PM
- - Testm0nkey   denmark/sweden/northern europe are some of the mos...   Feb 25 2008, 05:49 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 25 2008, 05:49 PM...   Feb 25 2008, 05:55 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 25 2008, 05:55 PM)...   Feb 25 2008, 06:12 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (blaarg @ Feb 25 2008, 06:12 PM) We...   Feb 26 2008, 01:20 AM
- - Testm0nkey   Everyone is one and the same. You have no ambition...   Feb 25 2008, 05:55 PM
- - Testm0nkey   democratic socialism is like a fucking workable ut...   Feb 25 2008, 06:22 PM
- - blaarg   A side part of the lack of motivation in a sociali...   Feb 25 2008, 06:24 PM
- - Testm0nkey   hahaha i saw that same 20/20 or cnn report or what...   Feb 25 2008, 06:27 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 25 2008, 06:27 PM...   Feb 26 2008, 01:21 AM
|- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 26 2008, 01:21 AM)...   Feb 26 2008, 05:09 PM
- - blaarg   Anyways, that's my observation. If anyone has...   Feb 25 2008, 06:27 PM
- - Testm0nkey   hey ive been there too   Feb 25 2008, 06:28 PM
|- - blaarg   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 25 2008, 06:28 PM...   Feb 25 2008, 06:36 PM
- - Oasis   I still want a pet monkey. Goddammit   Feb 26 2008, 05:19 PM
- - Testm0nkey   impala wtf. your scenario just doesnt happen. pe...   Feb 26 2008, 05:31 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 26 2008, 05:31 PM...   Feb 27 2008, 09:30 AM
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|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Feb 27 2008, 11:54 AM...   Feb 27 2008, 12:21 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 27 2008, 12:21 PM)...   Feb 27 2008, 01:49 PM
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|- - impala454   QUOTE (Inferia @ Feb 28 2008, 09:45 AM) A...   Feb 28 2008, 09:57 AM
- - The Fanatic   Yeah, I also don't think those Governments tel...   Feb 26 2008, 05:49 PM
- - Spectatrix   I don't like the idea of government having con...   Feb 27 2008, 10:21 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Feb 27 2008, 10:21 AM...   Feb 27 2008, 10:46 AM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Hartmann @ Feb 27 2008, 10:46 AM) ...   Feb 27 2008, 12:23 PM
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- - Psykopath   *bangs...head...on...desk* I'm going back to...   Feb 27 2008, 05:15 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Psykopath @ Feb 27 2008, 05:15 PM)...   Feb 28 2008, 09:37 AM
- - chook   I'd say communism is a human attempt at social...   Feb 28 2008, 12:52 AM
- - pebkac   According to Marx, Communism is a more radical for...   Feb 28 2008, 04:25 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 28 2008, 04:25 PM) Ac...   Feb 28 2008, 05:27 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:27 PM)...   Feb 28 2008, 05:31 PM
- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (and both are used WAY too much as "dev...   Feb 28 2008, 04:28 PM
- - impala454   Yeah looks that way I thought you were doing wha...   Feb 28 2008, 05:42 PM
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- - blaarg   I am curious how many on the boards have: 1) Read...   Feb 29 2008, 05:25 PM
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|- - pebkac   QUOTE (blaarg @ Feb 29 2008, 05:25 PM) I ...   Mar 1 2008, 05:10 PM
- - The Fanatic   The communist ideology and connotation has been c...   Mar 3 2008, 10:46 AM
- - Dogmeat   I want to see a CuddleWrestling match between zach...   Mar 3 2008, 01:53 PM
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