Republicans: Are You Happy About McCain? Options

[blaarg]

Just seeing what you four or five people on the board who would classify themselves as "Republican" think about McCain getting the nomination.

[Testm0nkey]

so if a society didnt want to help people at all and were racists, sexists, jerkoffs, conservatives yada yada then the government should just be like okey dokey lets make our policies totally centered around that! the government DOES have an obligation to protect, serve, and help people. that usually doesnt fall right in line with letting 1% of the population make as much money as they want. the government has the obligation to support its citizens AND if there are people in society who are against they, they are the ones that have the problem and need to be changed. imho

this is in regards to hartmanns statement about the basic idea of government

[Hartmann]

so if a society didnt want to help people at all and were racists, sexists, jerkoffs, conservatives yada yada then the government should just be like okey dokey lets make our policies totally centered around that! the government DOES have an obligation to protect, serve, and help people. that usually doesnt fall right in line with letting 1% of the population make as much money as they want. the government has the obligation to support its citizens AND if there are people in society who are against they, they are the ones that have the problem and need to be changed. imho

this is in regards to hartmanns statement about the basic idea of government

I mistyped but the basic premise is there. You're correct, the government does have an obligation to protect the people and to protect the rights of the people, even if that means 1% of the population makes an insane amount of money, that's their right to strive to do so.

Government's (a republic or democracy) purpose is to ensure the availability of such freedoms, not to give freedom to all then yank it back because others struggle. This isn't utopia and it never will be, that's a pipe dream.

Holding government to take care of everyone is inconsistent with how and why we were founded. It was the oppression of one group that led them here, and it was the taxation and land rights of that population that ultimately led to war. The British taxed everyone, even if for the benefit of the king, and it did not stand well.

I hate to say it but you cannot force people to "want" to help others, it just doesn't work that way. Cuba is a great example of this, everything is for the greater good right, because it's Communism? Not really. The elites (military) get rich and everyone else gets rations. If instead you tax evenly and allow people who work for it to succeed, good will come of it.

In my experience, the people who are poor but make an effort, eventually start making a living. The ones who ask for a break, get it, then squander it, and ask for another, continue on the same cycle, always wanting more but doing nothing to improve themselves.

I have no qualm agreeing with the idea that we should help each other, but I can only help so much. It takes each person doing their part.