|  MS giving away developer tools to students | 
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|  Feb 19 2008, 12:07 PM 
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|  From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65  | 
				http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJ0MTN1...fTxMYwD8UT82980 Hmmmm... I might have to download some of these things. -------------------- Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde | 
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|  Feb 19 2008, 03:49 PM 
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|  Feb 19 2008, 03:50 PM 
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|  Group: Admin Posts: 3,402 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35  | It's funny to me that the man is giving away extremely expensive software and yet yall are complaining about them promoting their products at the same time.... I was responding more to peb than you I just find it somewhat ironic. He's giving away his product because he wants more students to use it. I see this as he knows that one of the reasons Open Source works is because it's free (as in beer) and people will use the tools they have. On that front, good for him. However, I think claiming something that really isn't claimable (by either side), is a little much and will probably push away a good number of people who like Open Source technologies (hax0rs). -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." | 
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|  Feb 19 2008, 03:54 PM 
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|  Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48  | However, I think claiming something that really isn't claimable (by either side), is a little much and will probably push away a good number of people who like Open Source technologies (hax0rs). You mean, push away the people who already hate Microsoft and won't use their products anyways? | 
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|  Feb 19 2008, 04:00 PM 
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|  Group: Admin Posts: 3,402 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35  | You mean, push away the people who already hate Microsoft and won't use their products anyways? I'm arguing that there is a contingent of CS students who would use these Microsoft products but are proud of being "hackers" and that statement makes them a little weary. I worked with two guys from A&M for a while and they were die-hard Open Source programmers. I programmed using both VS.NET and Python and started showing them some different things, eventually they started using VS.NET as well and now they're aren't so gung-ho about everything having to be Open Source. There are ways to win hearts and minds, claiming something that isn't possible isn't one of them. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." | 
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 pebkac   MS giving away developer tools to students   Feb 19 2008, 12:07 PM
 pebkac   MS giving away developer tools to students   Feb 19 2008, 12:07 PM 
  pebkac   Holy shit!  You can get Windows Server 2003 to...   Feb 19 2008, 12:12 PM
 pebkac   Holy shit!  You can get Windows Server 2003 to...   Feb 19 2008, 12:12 PM 
  Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 19 2008, 12:07 PM) ht...   Feb 19 2008, 02:32 PM
 Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 19 2008, 12:07 PM) ht...   Feb 19 2008, 02:32 PM 
  impala454   So the owner of a company tauts his products.  Som...   Feb 19 2008, 03:33 PM
 impala454   So the owner of a company tauts his products.  Som...   Feb 19 2008, 03:33 PM
 
  Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 19 2008, 03:33 PM)...   Feb 19 2008, 03:41 PM
 Hartmann   QUOTE (impala454 @ Feb 19 2008, 03:33 PM)...   Feb 19 2008, 03:41 PM 
  pebkac   True.  But I think that there's more to be sai...   Feb 19 2008, 03:37 PM
 pebkac   True.  But I think that there's more to be sai...   Feb 19 2008, 03:37 PM 
  impala454   You guys are acting like Bill Gates just invented ...   Feb 19 2008, 03:47 PM
 impala454   You guys are acting like Bill Gates just invented ...   Feb 19 2008, 03:47 PM 
  Hartmann   I agree with you and you're still arguing.   Feb 19 2008, 03:48 PM
 Hartmann   I agree with you and you're still arguing.   Feb 19 2008, 03:48 PM
 
  pebkac   QUOTE You guys are acting like Bill Gates just inv...   Feb 19 2008, 04:51 PM
 pebkac   QUOTE You guys are acting like Bill Gates just inv...   Feb 19 2008, 04:51 PM 
  impala454   well again, tell that to every company in existenc...   Feb 19 2008, 04:37 PM
 impala454   well again, tell that to every company in existenc...   Feb 19 2008, 04:37 PM 
  impala454   It was just funny to me that he/yall would expect ...   Feb 19 2008, 05:24 PM
 impala454   It was just funny to me that he/yall would expect ...   Feb 19 2008, 05:24 PM 
  zetec   As a moderator, I feel it is my job, nay, my DUTY ...   Feb 20 2008, 03:21 PM
 zetec   As a moderator, I feel it is my job, nay, my DUTY ...   Feb 20 2008, 03:21 PM 
  impala454   ribbit   Feb 20 2008, 03:28 PM
 impala454   ribbit   Feb 20 2008, 03:28 PM|   | 
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