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impala454
post Jan 28 2008, 05:18 PM
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Spectatrix
post Feb 1 2008, 08:56 AM
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The drive to go to college is (almost unarguably) a motivation issue. That motivation can be generated internally (a drive to get out poverty, for instance) or externally (parents, teachers, coaches, etc.) The more positive factors a student has around them, I think the better a chance they have at doing well and going on to college or at least trade school, but the poorest students in the crappiest areas with the crappiest influences can still get up that drive, just as a rich white kid from an encouraging, college-educated family can fail to succeed.

Case in point: my step-brother is a year older than me, has gone to Tech and withdrawn several times (I think he got on academic suspension last time around), is in massive credit card debt, and has changed jobs twice in the last six months. Granted, he's doing better work than flipping burgers, but until this latest job, he was working in places with little advancement potential. Whether his latest job will be better remains to be seen, but I think probably so. He's very smart, as much as I am (he was doing mechanical engineering too, actually started before I did) but just didn't want to do the college thing. Maybe eventually, but not now.

Anywho, funneling money into poor-performing schools seems like a noble, but I think it's usually an exercise in futility. It can help attract better teachers, but the really good ones are still going to want to go to nicer schools, even if the pay is a little lower (there are exceptions, of course). And even if the school gets staffed by superb teachers, you still have the problem of down-and-out students de-motivating each other and reinforcing each others' shortcomings. Yeah, some will rise above that, but not most.

I would much rather give parents the opportunity to move their children to a better school without breaking the bank. Whether than means providing "grants" to parents of school age children who want to move them, or putting ALL schools under private control with grants, vouchers, or tax breaks for parents to put their kids wherever they want, or some other solution I've not yet thought of... I dunno. I just know that the public school system is largely failing our youth and I would never place a child of mine in one. Of course I'm probably going to homeschool them, so the whole thing is moot for me. laugh.gif


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- impala454   State of the Union   Jan 28 2008, 05:18 PM
- - Psykopath   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 28 2008, 05:18 PM)...   Jan 28 2008, 08:58 PM
- - Hartmann   "As long as we continue to trust the people, ...   Jan 28 2008, 09:04 PM
- - impala454   I dunno about comedy, I think all state of the uni...   Jan 29 2008, 09:50 AM
- - Melanie   am i the only person that got super pissed when he...   Jan 29 2008, 10:19 AM
|- - Dogmeat   QUOTE (Melanie @ Jan 29 2008, 11:19 AM) a...   Jan 30 2008, 10:22 AM
- - impala454   what's wrong w/that?   Jan 29 2008, 01:41 PM
|- - Melanie   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 29 2008, 01:41 PM)...   Jan 29 2008, 01:45 PM
- - impala454   you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto   Jan 29 2008, 01:49 PM
|- - Melanie   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 29 2008, 01:49 PM)...   Jan 29 2008, 02:08 PM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 29 2008, 01:49 PM)...   Jan 29 2008, 02:40 PM
- - impala454   I didn't say "fail the education system...   Jan 29 2008, 02:46 PM
|- - Testm0nkey   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 29 2008, 02:46 PM)...   Jan 30 2008, 06:07 PM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Jan 30 2008, 06:07 PM...   Jan 30 2008, 06:23 PM
||- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Jim @ Jan 30 2008, 06:23 PM) Proof...   Jan 30 2008, 06:31 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Jan 30 2008, 06:07 PM...   Jan 31 2008, 01:10 AM
|- - pebkac   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 31 2008, 01:10 AM)...   Jan 31 2008, 09:22 AM
|- - Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 31 2008, 09:22 AM) So...   Jan 31 2008, 09:29 AM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (pebkac @ Jan 31 2008, 09:22 AM) So...   Jan 31 2008, 10:23 AM
- - Melanie   and the answer is to put these kids into private s...   Jan 29 2008, 03:44 PM
|- - impala454   QUOTE (Melanie @ Jan 29 2008, 03:44 PM) a...   Jan 30 2008, 12:34 AM
|- - Jim   QUOTE (impala454 @ Jan 30 2008, 12:34 AM)...   Jan 30 2008, 01:14 AM
- - Spectatrix   The answer is to abolish public schools altogether...   Jan 29 2008, 03:53 PM
|- - Psykopath   QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jan 29 2008, 03:53 PM...   Jan 29 2008, 05:05 PM
- - theIncredibleEdibleDuane   Hmmmmm.....yeah, that State of the Union crap was ...   Jan 29 2008, 03:57 PM
- - 2wolUTT   Ladies and gentlemen, Conway Twitty.   Jan 29 2008, 04:32 PM
- - Spectatrix   Fund the parents, not the schools. I.e. some kind...   Jan 29 2008, 05:13 PM
- - FORSAKENR320   no one likes my solution.... the ghetto will never...   Jan 29 2008, 06:28 PM
|- - Spectatrix   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jan 29 2008, 06:28 ...   Jan 29 2008, 06:48 PM
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|- - impala454   QUOTE (Melanie @ Jan 31 2008, 04:39 AM) h...   Jan 31 2008, 12:34 PM
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- - Melanie   i went to college becausei grew up with the mental...   Jan 31 2008, 08:11 PM
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||- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 1 2008, 01:05 AM) Whi...   Feb 1 2008, 01:12 AM
|||- - blaarg   QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Feb 1 2008, 01:12 A...   Feb 3 2008, 12:20 PM
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||- - Hartmann   QUOTE (pebkac @ Feb 1 2008, 01:05 AM) Whi...   Feb 1 2008, 07:59 AM
|- - FORSAKENR320   QUOTE (Melanie @ Jan 31 2008, 08:11 PM) i...   Feb 1 2008, 12:59 AM
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- - Melanie   wait, now if memory serves me correctly, didn...   Feb 1 2008, 06:16 PM
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