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post Apr 10 2006, 12:52 PM
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Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across
the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports,
immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
same way we do here.
So, would you mind telling President Vicente Fox, that
I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting
the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and
lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the
memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all
police officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals
on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not
want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,
and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice
and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might
place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because we already do all these
things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am
sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely.


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post Apr 10 2006, 01:00 PM
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Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.

The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies. While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.

Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

Teaching Math In 1960

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

Teaching Math In 1970

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

Teaching Math In 1980

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

Teaching Math In 1990

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?

Topic for class participation after answering the question:

How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.)

Teaching Math In 2005

Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100. El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas se puede comprar?
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post Apr 10 2006, 01:10 PM
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post Apr 10 2006, 01:14 PM
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post Apr 10 2006, 01:20 PM
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but if it weren't for illegals that burger from McDonalds would have cost you 14.99 and you'd be a dick for giving her 99 cents instead of taking the penny...
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post Apr 10 2006, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (danwashere @ Apr 10 2006, 01:20 PM)
but if it weren't for illegals that burger from McDonalds would have cost you 14.99 and you'd be a dick for giving her 99 cents instead of taking the penny...

But I would have extra money in my pocket because I wouldn't be paying for medical care, taxes, etc for her family who are in this country illegally and don't pay any taxes and mooch off of taxpayers.


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post Apr 10 2006, 01:39 PM
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you wouldn't be paying 14.99 anyways, 10 years ago when there were no illegal mexicans hamburgers cost even less than they do now with illegal mexicans working

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post Apr 10 2006, 01:40 PM
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i swear, they need to start letting our military and law enforcement use illegal aliens as life-fire target practice ...


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post Apr 10 2006, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (danwashere @ Apr 10 2006, 01:20 PM)
but if it weren't for illegals that burger from McDonalds would have cost you 14.99 and you'd be a dick for giving her 99 cents instead of taking the penny...

I doubt it. I worked at a burger place in Dallas, all of the cooks were illegals. They made more than me and I got paid $7.50/hr.
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QUOTE (Junsui @ Apr 10 2006, 03:06 PM)
I doubt it. I worked at a burger place in Dallas, all of the cooks were illegals. They made more than me and I got paid $7.50/hr.

dan just got OWNX0RED
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post Apr 10 2006, 03:23 PM
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post Apr 10 2006, 03:33 PM
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my sisters bf is an illegal and he gets paid less than 3 dollars/hr working at jasons deli for literally half the day. then he goes immediately to his other job at a mexican restaurant and gets paid 3 something as a waiter + a tip pool percentage. they just moved him up from busboy to waiter eventhough he doesnt speak very much english (its a mexican restaurant though) because hes a really hard worker and its not like they are going to get any white high school kids wanting to work there.
my sister also does a lot of work that is mostly done by illegals. except its obvious she gets better treatment becauses shes white.
jose louis - her bf, grew up in the shittiest part of mexico. his family could barely feed their kids and they sold eggs from their chickens as their sole income. he sends almost all the money he earns to his family there while still being able to dress and appear nicer than my sister.

i dont have a problem with illegals. illegals and the blackmarket make up a huge percentage of the economy in america


also jose louis routinely looses his jobs after a few months because the businesses i guess get the burn from the man about hiring illegals. then after a few months they just hire them back not giving a shit about the struggle inbetween


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post Apr 10 2006, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Apr 10 2006, 03:33 PM)
my sisters bf is an illegal and he gets paid less than 3 dollars/hr working at jasons deli for literally half the day. then he goes immediately to his other job at a mexican restaurant and gets paid 3 something as a waiter + a tip pool percentage. they just moved him up from busboy to waiter eventhough he doesnt speak very much english (its a mexican restaurant though) because hes a really hard worker and its not like they are going to get any white high school kids wanting to work there.
my sister also does a lot of work that is mostly done by illegals. except its obvious she gets better treatment becauses shes white.
jose louis - her bf, grew up in the shittiest part of mexico. his family could barely feed their kids and they sold eggs from their chickens as their sole income. he sends almost all the money he earns to his family there while still being able to dress and appear nicer than my sister.

i dont have a problem with illegals. illegals and the blackmarket make up a huge percentage of the economy in america


also jose louis routinely looses his jobs after a few months because the businesses i guess get the burn from the man about hiring illegals. then after a few months they just hire them back not giving a shit about the struggle inbetween

He should go work where I worked in Dallas. I worked alongside this mexican lady who didn't know that much English. When people said something to her (she took peoples' food orders like me) she would look at me so I could tell her what they wanted. It was good times.
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post Apr 10 2006, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Apr 10 2006, 04:33 PM)
i dont have a problem with illegals. illegals and the blackmarket make up a huge percentage of the economy in america

totally. we should kick out the worthless people abusing welfare and unemployment before we get rid of those willing to work.


i'm all for putting up a fence, but getting rid of millions of people who are already a part of the american workforce will do nothing but hurt us.
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post Apr 10 2006, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Apr 10 2006, 03:49 PM)
totally. we should kick out the worthless people abusing welfare and unemployment before we get rid of those willing to work.


i'm all for putting up a fence, but getting rid of millions of people who are already a part of the american workforce will do nothing but hurt us.

I agree.
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post Apr 10 2006, 04:17 PM
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Ok. So when are we going to put a fence on the Canadian border?


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post Apr 10 2006, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Apr 10 2006, 04:17 PM)
Ok. So when are we going to put a fence on the Canadian border?

Let's do it tonight.
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post Apr 10 2006, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Apr 10 2006, 05:17 PM)
Ok. So when are we going to put a fence on the Canadian border?

we're.... not?



the only canadians that come into the u.s. to work are actors, and they ususally end up doing infomercials or porn.
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post Apr 10 2006, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Apr 10 2006, 03:49 PM)
totally. we should kick out the worthless people abusing welfare and unemployment before we get rid of those willing to work.


i'm all for putting up a fence, but getting rid of millions of people who are already a part of the american workforce will do nothing but hurt us.

i remember saying that exact thing in a different thread. glad i'm not alone in those sentiments


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today was the mexicans national boycott america day, they weren't supposed to go to work or buy anything which was supposed to and i quote "bring america to it's knees"

well today, i still got my hamburger, the gas station was still open, my friend got a taxi, i saw some guy mowing my apartment lawn, and all the lettuce/tomatoes are still being picked

i thought they were gonna bring america to our knees?

looks like the "OMG IF WE DEPORT TEH ILLEGASLZ PEOPLE WON'T DO DER JOBS AN TEHEY ARE INTEGRAL TO SOCIETA" is a crock of shit
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QUOTE (Lancifer @ Apr 10 2006, 04:57 PM)
today was the mexicans national boycott america day, they weren't supposed to go to work or buy anything which was supposed to and i quote "bring america to it's knees"

well today, i still got my hamburger, the gas station was still open, my friend got a taxi, i saw some guy mowing my apartment lawn, and all the lettuce/tomatoes are still being picked

i thought they were gonna bring america to our knees?

looks like the "OMG IF WE DEPORT TEH ILLEGASLZ PEOPLE WON'T DO DER JOBS AN TEHEY ARE INTEGRAL TO SOCIETA" is a crock of shit

the immigrants doing the protest forgot the entire purpose that they came here in the first place. looking for na way to make a quick buck. no matter how many enchilada-pride people sit down and take a siesta, there is going to be 2 wetbacks willing to take advantage of the situation


it's funny. the very people who piss off the unions by being willing to work harder for less are now trying to form their own union, and are being undercut by their very own people.


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post Apr 10 2006, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Apr 10 2006, 06:04 PM)
no matter how many enchilada-pride people sit down and take a siesta, there is going to be 2 wetbacks willing to take advantage of the situation

that's because, while the police were keeping an eye on the protesters and controlling the crowds, the borders remained relatively unprotected.
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post Apr 10 2006, 11:09 PM
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hey guys, time to cum out of the closet, i'm gay

by the way, i love mexican weiner

there were no illegals 10 years ago? wow, that's news to me.

Also there is this little economic term called inflation...

think about it though, illegals don't only make the burgers them selves, they work on the farms to produce the lettuce, they pick the tomatoes, they do whatever it is you do to the pickles. The entire supply chain is dependant on them. You either pay more in taxes to pay 14.99 for the burger indirectly or you pay 14.99 for the burger at the counter.

But being a cs major you wouldn't know about supply chains, inflation or anything else that makes our economy go around... I am glad you spelled McDonalds correctly this time though.

Either way, you just end up substituting illegals for white trash rednecks(mom and dad to you lance).
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post Apr 10 2006, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (danwashere @ Apr 11 2006, 12:09 AM)
there were no illegals 10 years ago? wow, that's news to me.

Also there is this little economic term called inflation...

think about it though, illegals don't only make the burgers them selves, they work on the farms to produce the lettuce, they pick the tomatoes, they do whatever it is you do to the pickles. The entire supply chain is dependant on them. You either pay more in taxes to pay 14.99 for the burger indirectly or you pay 14.99 for the burger at the counter.

But being a cs major you wouldn't know about supply chains, inflation or anything else that makes our economy go around...  I am glad you spelled McDonalds correctly this time though.

Either way, you just end up substituting illegals for white trash rednecks(mom and dad to you lance).

let's hear it for the guy everybody hates with good reason






hey mrs. holier than thou, it doesn't take some genius out of tech's BA (oxymoron?) to understand a supply chain or inflation. lance may not have been right about the illegals or their correlation to the price of the burgers, but mcdonalds was cheaper 10 years go, and the inflated price of the burgers is nowhere near the 1600% you suggested, indirect or not.

now, go ahead and show everybody where that $14.99 (which is obviously correct to the penny) is taken from our tax dollars.
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dan needs to back to school and take a few math classes (which us cs majors take btw) laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

OWNED AGAIN! when will he learn folks?

it's also obvious that he needs to take a few tax classes also, i've studied taxes thoroughly and can almost cite tax code word for word, what you said in your above post is the most moronic thing i've ever heard mentioned about taxes
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QUOTE (Lancifer @ Apr 11 2006, 12:26 AM)
dan needs to back to school and take a few math classes (which us cs majors take btw)  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

OWNED AGAIN! when will he learn folks?


he should probably lay off the mexican weiner, too.



literally.

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it's also obvious that he needs to take a few tax classes also, i've studied taxes thoroughly and can almost cite tax code word for word, especially corporate what you said in your above post is the most moronic thing i've ever heard mentioned about taxes


haha, yeah. and by his logic, there were no costs to grow the tomatoes, pick the lettuce, process the meat, etc... 10 years ago. that's some good thinkin!
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Apr 10 2006, 11:28 PM)
he should probably lay off the mexican weiner, too.



literally.

yes, yes he should, but it's like crack for him
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lance edited post cause he couldn't handle the ownage.

what are you talking about math for? There was no mention of math in my post.
14.99 was just an illustration. (pulled from an earlier post perhaps you should read that. before you make yourself look like an idiot.)

what are you talking about tax codes for?

You're an idiot.
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Apr 10 2006, 02:35 PM)
But I would have extra money in my pocket because I wouldn't be paying for medical care, taxes, etc for her family who are in this country illegally and don't pay any taxes and mooch off of taxpayers.

I agree it sucks that our money goes to illegal causes, but at the same time -


- It's the US people in power in companies who are ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO BE HIRED IN THEIR BUSINESSES.


- Our tax money would be wasted on something else anyways.



No matter what its gonna sucketh. Both sides are causing the problems and these problems are also helping us.


I think overall I'm siding with the idea of enforcing much stricter border laws, patrols, fences etc - but just making all current residents legal. Make them pay taxes and just continue living here.

But then what ? Then they are subject to more fair wages. Then prices go up, as well as taxes to pay for the big fence and more. Then we get more totally intelligent e-flame wars bitching about that. blah blah blah


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QUOTE (danwashere @ Apr 10 2006, 11:35 PM)
lance edited post cause he couldn't handle the ownage.

what are you talking about math for? There was no mention of math in my post.

what are you talking about tax codes for?

You're an idiot.

as much as you toot your own horn about being an mis major and understanding business i would think you'd actually know a little about how the economy and business works, but sadly tech has failed you miserably
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QUOTE (Rocky @ Apr 10 2006, 11:35 PM)
I agree it sucks that our money goes to illegal causes, but at the same time -


- It's the US people in power in companies who are ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO BE HIRED IN THEIR BUSINESSES.


- Our tax money would be wasted on something else anyways.



No matter what its gonna sucketh. Both sides are causing the problems and these problems are also helping us.


I think overall I'm siding with the idea of enforcing much stricter border laws, patrols, fences etc - but just making all current residents legal. Make them pay taxes and just continue living here.

But then what ? Then they are subject to more fair wages. Then prices go up, as well as taxes to pay for the big fence and more. Then we get more totally intelligent e-flame wars bitching about that. blah blah blah


And quite frankly we all just need more titties to look at

Rocky, speaks the truth.

But the titties should look good, that is why we should have a fence, obsticle course and run with a green card at the end. So only fit people could make it, this works for women wanting some low fat sausage tacos


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people are protesting wanting to become amercian citizens.

but what happens when they do.

the employers would legally have to hire them
pay them a min wage
pay taxes for them
etc

why the fuck are they gonna do that when they could still get a illegal to do the same work for less pay and not have to pay taxes on them. this is why they are part of the job market in the first place.


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how can lance be so conservative and so gay at the same time?


if we want to deal with the problems of illegal immigration, we have to make business people more accountable for proving the citzenship of their employees. with stricter employment policies and an agency which checks them (much cheaper than a fence and much more useful). if we elliminate their ability to get jobs without proper identification, then we elliminate their motives for coming.

honestly, i hope that mexicans slowly take over our country and destroy our way of life just so the few indians who are still alive can get a good fucking laugh.


"this is my united states . . ." bullshit

for those of you less enthused with foreigners in general, i might remind you that all the children born in the united states are citizens. so, only deporting illegals will not solve your problems, perhaps genocide?

"i can't understand you paco, this is not 'yack in the box,' estupid. and no i will not pay extra for tomatoes that your people probably picked making less money in a day than i am about to spend on a combo meal, just because our government's nuclear testing fucked up the weather patterns and caused a severe shortage. i want to talk to your manager because you obviously cannot understand english and shit. you come to my fucking country at least learn my fucking language, i know there is no program to teach you english funded by the federal, state or local goverment, but why would i support that program? i already speak english. it's not my fault that mexico does not require you to get an education, or that they do not offer many affordable classes in english. just because i was raised comfortably by rich parents doesn't mean that i am not cultured, i know how to say beer in four different languages. so what this job consumes a majority of your life and gives you money, if you cannot make me a quick fucking burger then you don't deserve it, because my snack is more important than your existence. i could be cruising in my hummer right now wasting gas and complaining about the gas prices enough to keep this war going against that race of terrorists. i want cheap gas and fast food, i want everything to be easy for me, it is so fucking hard in my life for me to wait around on idiots like you, who think you really have a hard time. just die or make yourself useful. why don't you get me a taco instead, surely you understand that word. it is probably the only worthwhile thing your people has ever contributed to our culture. i don't care if it stains my expensive clothes that were poorly pieced together by kids in sweatshops who should be thankful that they have fucking jobs, because i will just throw it away anyway instead of washing it. later holmes, i have been through too much shit trying to figure out what angle to wear my baseball cap at to deal with this shit today."



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QUOTE (chook @ Apr 11 2006, 12:12 AM)
Rocky, speaks the truth.

But the titties should look good, that is why we should have a fence, obsticle course and run with a green card at the end. So only fit people could make it, this works for women wanting some low fat sausage tacos

i promote a combination swimsuit/dick sucking contest

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(def puts things in perspective)
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I don't think the illegals themselves are the problem. In our capitalist economy we need immigrants to keep our consumer base growing because our domestic population growth is slowly declining to close to replacement fertility levels (which can be a bad thing, look at Japan where they have a huge amount of elderly and a comparitivly small juvinile population which could strain their economy/industry in the future because they have strict immigration codes and don't really welcome immigrants).

What we need is a way to document the immigrants coming in so that it is harder for big companies to take advantage of extremely cheap labor (which is nearly impossible -- there will always be 'under the table/off the record' workers) and the immigrants themselves for exploiting medical care, education etc. , and tax them so that they contribute instead of leach. More rigid and aggressive deportation devices have to be put into effect so that if you aren't on the books following the rules, you get kicked out ASAP(but this would probably be attacked as the 21st century's Jim Crow laws).

It's easy to scoff at the fact that illegal workers commonly have no car insurance, but would you pay for something like that if you were making $2 a day? They can't afford it. They have families.

And the "taking our jobs" thing is complete shit, especially with us with high school/college degrees. Im not going to graduate with an engineering degree to compete with mexicans picking strawberries. The only people who have a legitimate claim to this are people without high school diplomas, but they didn't take advantage of the opportunities that were given to them, so I say tough shit. Let someone who is more willing to work hard reap the benefits.

Maybe implement a system so that minimum wage for documented workers starts out at a certain rate (lower than the legal state level) while they begin the naturalization process (and learn to speak English) and after a set period of time (and proof of citizenship/completion of an english test if their job requires it) , it incrementally increases to regular minimum wage. Either that or it stays at the state minimum wage level and we heavily tax it at first and then back off which would help the state pay for the beauacratic assimilation of a large part of the migrant workers.

Maybe it's just me, but I dont mind paying an extra $.30 cents for a hamburger if it means that less fortunate people are able to feed their families.

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here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
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birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be
no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but
something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and
that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole
loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

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I pretty much agree with the letter. However I have no problem with illegals, they do the jobs no one else wants to do so let them have it. But fuck if I'm going to learn spanish so they can feel more welcome in my country. Fuck you when you wave the mexican flag in america and badmouth this country you can just go back to mexico you fuckinh wetback. When you say, "America is my country," in english, while respecting the rule of law and knowing how nice it is to live in this country, then you can stay as a respected member of society, illegal or not.

Mexcian pride is great and everything and yay thats your country wow wonderful, but do that shit in mexico with your dirty hospitals and horrible working conditions.

I think the worst thing I ever saw was last July 4th in houston. I went to the "Power of Houston" fireworks show and celebration. 90% of the entertainment was tejano or tejano/rap mix. I was fucking angry as shit too. I hate most contry music, but you put on a god damned country band because this is THE FOURTH OF JULY!!!! I found the entire experience disrespectful to america.


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QUOTE (rabble @ Apr 11 2006, 10:18 AM)
I pretty much agree with the letter. However I have no problem with illegals, they do the jobs no one else wants to do so let them have it.

You lost the very little bit of credibility this post might have contained right here. They do the jobs legals won't do because it's illegal to pay the shitty money that they pay.

I do agree that the government should aggressively find companies that hire illegals and pay them shitty wages.


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i was listening to the Sean Hannity radio show yesterday driving to austin. i rarely bother with Hannity, but he made some great points. he kept interviewing people live from the protests, and every interview went something like this:

Hannity: welcome to the show, are you for or against illegal immigration into the US?
Caller: i'm all for it
Hannity: why?
Caller: because they deserve the same chance as us, they have every right to be here, blah blah blah
Hannity: wait, they have a right to be here? coming into the US illegally is against the law. are you implying that they should break the law?
Caller: uhhhhhh....they have a right to be here
Hannity: actually, they don't, because it's AGAINST THE LAW
Caller: ummm, uhhhh......

no one could come up with a valid response to his question. he also pointed out that anyone who skips school in DC for the upcoming rally gets community service credit. WTF? they're getting rewarded for breaking the law?


what i don't understand is this: protests are legal, but protesting and promoting illegal activities is against the law. the KKK is free to protest in this country, unless they start calling for laws to be broken - church burnings, assassinations, whatever other shit they want. the anti abortion protesters are free to hold signs up and picket abortion agencies, but if they start calling for the killing of doctors they're tossed in prison

how is this any different? these protestors are, in effect, protesting an illegal activity and promoting lawlessness. why can't they be arrested?


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itd take changing some of the laws. there are lots of different kinds of jobs that can get away with paying less than minimum wage and if the business pays employees in cash or with other incentives like board and food they dont even really have to pay them anything at all. im trying to say is itd take a HUGE overhaul of the current system to patrol and change everythign necessary to make it an even slate. that will never happen and if they tried people would complain about it, businesses and tax payers a like.

i had a manual labor/horse handler/cowboy job when i was younger and i was only paid in cash and way below minimum wage but i also technically lived there and it was technically a 24hr job. the laws change for situations like that and its a jobs that nearlly 100% are just illegals. funny thing was though they were busted before for having illegals working and when my boss lady would hear of a bust she'd come and tell the mexicans and they were to run to the trails and hide in the woods with their families. they were damn appreciative of the work and living space though


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sometimes i think cathryn makes up half the shit she posts about herself
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during the summer my boss held weeks of summer camps and 1 or 2 day camps for younger kids. the summers sucked!


also durning some holidays she did little weekend camps and this was from one halloween. we all had to dress up and RUN alongside the horses if the kids werent smart enough to figure out how to stay on
im the one in the camo tehe and the paint's name is Toby and thats a dumb little rich kid


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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Apr 11 2006, 03:35 PM)
no one allowed to speak to hannity could come up with a valid response to his question.

fixed. unless you are from this part of fucking pangea we are all immigrants. it is obviously not "illegal" enough to discourage them from crossing the border. so, kill their motive .


and ira, go back to israel.



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I doubt every single person in Mexico today is full blooded Olmec, Teotihuacan, Mayan, or Toltec.
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QUOTE (Junsui @ Apr 11 2006, 05:35 PM)
I doubt every single person in Mexico today is full blooded Olmec, Teotihuacan, Mayan, or Toltec.

not like those particular races of indians lived in north america (above mexico) anyways!!!
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QUOTE (TetraGrammaton Cleric @ Apr 11 2006, 05:11 PM)
fixed. unless you are from this part of fucking pangea we are all immigrants. it is obviously not "illegal" enough to discourage them from crossing the border. so, kill their motive .


and ira, go back to israel.



really.

It's not the physical migration that's illegal. It's the process that is.

I'm all for immigration. As mentioned above our economy does better with a growing consumer base.

What I have a problem with is the people that swim across a river, have no paperwork saying where they are from, who they belong to, where they live, how long they have been here, that continue to exploit the state for "free" (T.I.N.S.T.A.A.FL.) education, heath care, etc. (to the tune of $4.7B a year in Texas alone according to latest census data) without paying taxes like everyone else. That isn't fair to me.

It's also not fair to let companies exploit and make profit off these people because they are here illegally and technically do not exist in the country.

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yeah, i think we all understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration.

i am just saying that we should address the motives rather than attempt to disrupt their methods.
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Apr 10 2006, 12:52 PM)
Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across
the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports,
immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
same way we do here.
So, would you mind telling President Vicente Fox, that
I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting
the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and
lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the
memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all
police officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals
on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not
want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,
and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice
and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might
place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because we already do all these
things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am
sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely.

Hey, don't forget about #14... writing your last name in Old English font on your car's rear window.
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