apocalypse/crisis/survival/preparation Options

[FORSAKENR320]

i am curious, how many of you share some level of paranoia about anything? doesn't matter what it might be that you fear, but what steps have you taken to protect yourself in the event of your fear happening? i'm not talking about zombies, or something laughable, i mean something real. tornado plan? those near the south, hurricanes, floods, etc?


(i ask because i saw a news article on yahoo, that was talking about how people are "preparing" more, as a whole, globally)

[impala454]

my biggest fear? losing my job because Obama wants to hand money to lazy assholes who won't work for a living instead of continue to support manned spaceflight.

hurricanes... I went through Ike and can definitely say people around here are much better prepared for hurricanes now. evacuations went well (way better than the insane stuff that happened with Rita). I know people will store up water and now have generators and 3-4 fuel jugs per household now.

though I don't know if either qualifies as genuine paranoia considering they're definitely good probabilities of happening.

[FORSAKENR320]

"good probabilities" i feel are subjective. no matter how random an incident might be, surely someone might be preparing for it.

what about you impala? anything you do? do you always stock a certain amount of food, keep empty water jugs, or have a emergency plan formulated? i ask honestly btw, i know how the internets can give people the wrong vibe.


for myself, i don't ever think i have prepared enough. though i have the basic plans for natural disasters (preparing for those is pretty much all the same) i tend to go for the more "out there" scenarios, but mostly be cause i am 90% convinced that something may actually happen. i've always felt that it's "better to have something, and never need it, than need it, and not have it"

i suppose that my number 1 paranoia is that the mechanisms that support our law will fail. thats pretty broad spectrum, but essentially what i get at is that i fear the point where my safety can no longer be ensured by the society that insists it's there to protect me.

[THECHICKEN]

I have a pistol, a shotty, and a semi-auto ak rifle variant. Also other general cutting instruments and a medium size dog (pit mix). Mostly for any kind of protection needed that may arise (from home invasion to big brother needing to be fought off). Also have home alarm system. Thats about the worst things I worry about. Gas, food, etc. may come to a screeching halt (which i think there is a large chance of happening at least for a minimal time period) but im not really "stocked up" for anything like that... mainly because i don't have the means at the time being.

[impala454]

what about you impala? anything you do? do you always stock a certain amount of food, keep empty water jugs, or have a emergency plan formulated? i ask honestly btw, i know how the internets can give people the wrong vibe.

I read about some things that this administration has done that bother me second amendment wise. Like the military now has orders to shred their old 5.56 brass and sell it for scrap rather than sell the casings to the ammo reloading companies (which is also a huge drop in profits for the military).

I have to say that the ammo shortages that have been occuring ever since Obama took office do bother me, and that whenever I'm at walmart or drive by an academy I will stop and check and see if they have my calibers in stock and pick up a few boxes if they do. So I typically have a pretty decent amount of ammo laying around. I'll go to the range and shoot a few boxes, then buy 5-6 boxes to replace them whenever I find em. Right now at a quick glance I have:

1,100 .22
1,000 .45
500 .38 (though about 200 of these are old, dirty ammo. nice black cloud when I shoot them lol. last resort heh)
300 .357
300 .223

as far as food... I usually have a lot of canned beans, corn, soup, tuna, chicken, etc around, but that's just normal, not for any disaster preparation or anything. I also have three 5 gallon jugs for my water cooler that I usually keep full, but again that's just normal, not for any kind of disaster preparation, though it would come in handy. I have a few 5 gallon fuel jugs, but keep those at my dad's storage with his generator for now until I get a house down here. I think once I own a house down here I'll probably do more for storm/disaster preparation.

one thing you might say is kind of a disaster prep that actually came in very handy during Ike, was having large, powerful battery backups. I have an APC 1500XS that my PC, server, u-verse box, and one monitor are connected to. I can completely lose power but not lose internet. I actually had internet all during Ike and on through about 10am the next morning, and only lost it then because the neighborhood VRAD finally lost its battery backup. I could have tethered my sprint phone to continue getting it, but sprint had shut off internet service due to the large call volume and emergency useage of their towers. I also used the battery backup to run my TV with antenna for a few minutes a few times to check the news and weather.

the other reason this setup comes in mega handy is it allows me to use some software/webcam I developed to monitor my place. it's motion activated and will take video in one minute increments as long as there is motion. every time a file is finished it gets uploaded to my remote web server. so if someone breaks into my place, even if they completely destroy the computer or shut off power before going in, I'd still have them on video. I even have the software set up in such a way that it will text me when a new motion video is created and I can watch the video from my phone. It has come in handy to monitor the maintenance people when they have come in to fix stuff while I was at work to make sure they were messing with my stuff.

I know you're into weapons and stuff... I have a couple of large swords and some other misc weapons, but for the most part they're just for show. The swords are very real, made by united cutlery, 420 stainless and very well made, but have a false edge. I'm sure I could have an edge put on them, but if someone is breakin into my place I'm reaching for the .357 not the sword . Besides, they'd be very bulky to carry in your "apocolypse" type scenario anyhow. I have been wanting this one as kinda a final piece to my LOTR collection, but it's really hard to find now. That one, with an edge put on it, would probably be a pretty nice little people cutter. since I've already rambled on for a long post, here's a pic of my "wall 'o movie weapons"



As I said, mostly these are for fun/decoration, but the swords would probably be pretty nasty if I had a real edge put on them. And those nunchucks are definitely real and could easily crack skulls. Basically two solid wood beatsticks connected with a rope lol. The whip I guess could do something in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing with it (not me). Obviously the lightsabers are worthless for combat, but when I was in Lubbock me and my roommates would scare the shit outta each other in the middle of the night with them (very bright).

here's a pic of all the guns again, if yall haven't seen em:


left to right, colt defender .45, springfield 1911 mil-spec .45, smith .357 7 shot, ruger mkIII hunter .22, bushmaster M4A3

[Dogmeat]

http://www.nightmaretargets.com/home.html

[psidancer]

Obviously the lightsabers are worthless for combat, but when I was in Lubbock me and my roommates would scare the shit outta each other in the middle of the night with them (very bright).

Are you kidding, those are at least worth one good shredded face apiece. And the ensuing mercury poisoning would just be a bonus.

[Dogmeat]

you guys need to buy a bunch of those targets

[FORSAKENR320]

you only got a 2 point sling on your bushmaster? shame... upgrade that to a 3 point sling, they cost $30 at spectergear.com

[FORSAKENR320]

i completely agree with you impala, on the ammo thing. it's very strange to me that there is no ammo available, but then again, why try to fight the system and remove peoples guns, when you can just render them all useless? i know that they say it's because of lead prices, but it's just lasted too long for this to be realistic. i haven't even been going to the range, just to conserve what ammo i do have, even thouigh it's not as much as you seem to have.

i need to take more current pictures, as soon as i get organized again, i will do so. but in addition to everything below, there is quite a few new things i haven't bothered to photograph. among these, is a 65 gallon waterproof bin that i store all of my non-essential survival gear, as well as all my food and other such things. it's strapped to a movers dolley for ease of transport, so that it can be tossed into a trunk or some such. inside, i have everything from my 2 million watt search light (i recently found out there is a hand crank version of this, so i plan to upgrade soon) to my spare medical supplies. i have 12 bottles of iodine prep solution. as long as no one is allergic to iodine, it's good. there is a month and a half supply of non-perishable food inside that bin. as long as i have access to water. spare rope, tools and a few other things are in there, and alot of homemade things (for some things, there really is no need to purchase them, when you can make your own, such as a complete fishing kit from PVC pipe with end caps) in prep my own cleaning solution, and have a few bottles in there as well. (take a water bottle, add 2 teaspoons of iodine salt. screw the cap tightly, shake, and let sit. you'll know that the iodine is killing all organisms in the water, because bubbles will form on the sides. dress all your wounds with this instead of tap water, that will cause infection)

i've also printed out a few PDF files of books, and sealed these up and put them in there. usually it's survival guides, but i am planning to expanmdn to other areas. i need help with medical and agriculture, so i will prolly get both of those. (i am also including burned disc's with the pdf's.)

the things that aren't listed in the photos are prolly the most important, such as a breakdown of whats in my survival kit, medical kit, backpack, messkit, and pockets, etc. but, i currently got all that stuff prepacked in my gear, ready to just be put on in a moments notice, and i'm lazy.

i am always upgrading my own equipment, but what that leaves me with is alot of spare things, so i have decided that i no longer just prepare myself for those situations, i have spare gear for several people. (survival in groups is much more likely than survival solo)

[FORSAKENR320]

(wouldn't let me post all the pics in one)

[impala454]

3 point sling? eh it's not that big of a deal to me. I might accessorize it some eventually but I'm not all that concerned with it. the extent of my mods to those guns has been putting the hogue grips on all the semis after liking them a lot on the .357 (came stock on it). I also replaced the rear trigger sear in the .22 pistol to make it an even lighter pull.

sounds like a good idea w/the container 'o stuff

that bat is hilarious man... definitely wouldn't want to get hit with it though

[jonathan83]

i don't have anything stocked up really, besides just normal stuff in the cabinets and fridge.

my situation, however, is more real than most people, i believe. since im in korea, i do think about what i would do if we were attacked.

for one, there's no reason to stock up on water and food, because the plan for survival is just to get the hell out. so here we go...

first of all, if it's a nuke, then that's that. i'm doomed. but if they come across the border, then my plan is to first go as far south as possible. south korea is a really small country, but seoul is only like 30 min away from the border. however, most of the troops are in the northern part, so i just need time to flee to the south to be safe for at least a few days maybe. obviously it'd be a panic, so no public transportation. i've thought about getting a scooter/motorcycle or something to have just in case, but i might just steal/buy one if it came down to it.
once i'm down there, i gotta leave. japan's closest, but that's also not safe, since they're also north korea's enemy. therefore, i'm going to china.
planes are outta the question, so by boat. i'm taking a ferry to china next month actually, so maybe illl learn something then. however, any boat of any kind going south or west, i'll take.

other than that, i know where my passport is, and i'd just take that and withdraw as much cash as possible, then gtho. i've got my american bank account too with money just in case.

[THECHICKEN]

i don't have anything stocked up really, besides just normal stuff in the cabinets and fridge.

my situation, however, is more real than most people, i believe. since im in korea, i do think about what i would do if we were attacked.

for one, there's no reason to stock up on water and food, because the plan for survival is just to get the hell out. so here we go...

first of all, if it's a nuke, then that's that. i'm doomed. but if they come across the border, then my plan is to first go as far south as possible. south korea is a really small country, but seoul is only like 30 min away from the border. however, most of the troops are in the northern part, so i just need time to flee to the south to be safe for at least a few days maybe. obviously it'd be a panic, so no public transportation. i've thought about getting a scooter/motorcycle or something to have just in case, but i might just steal/buy one if it came down to it.
once i'm down there, i gotta leave. japan's closest, but that's also not safe, since they're also north korea's enemy. therefore, i'm going to china.
planes are outta the question, so by boat. i'm taking a ferry to china next month actually, so maybe illl learn something then. however, any boat of any kind going south or west, i'll take.

other than that, i know where my passport is, and i'd just take that and withdraw as much cash as possible, then gtho. i've got my american bank account too with money just in case.

Nuke doesn't actually mean end, especially with as low yield as N. Korea has, you would still have a chance of living (so might want to know closest place to find radiation treatment).

[impala454]

I would think that planes would be safer than boats

[psidancer]

Nuke doesn't actually mean end, especially with as low yield as N. Korea has, you would still have a chance of living (so might want to know closest place to find radiation treatment).

He has a point. How bad can one of Kim Jong-il's radioactive cherry bombs be.

[FORSAKENR320]

i don't have anything stocked up really, besides just normal stuff in the cabinets and fridge.

my situation, however, is more real than most people, i believe. since im in korea, i do think about what i would do if we were attacked.

for one, there's no reason to stock up on water and food, because the plan for survival is just to get the hell out. so here we go...

first of all, if it's a nuke, then that's that. i'm doomed. but if they come across the border, then my plan is to first go as far south as possible. south korea is a really small country, but seoul is only like 30 min away from the border. however, most of the troops are in the northern part, so i just need time to flee to the south to be safe for at least a few days maybe. obviously it'd be a panic, so no public transportation. i've thought about getting a scooter/motorcycle or something to have just in case, but i might just steal/buy one if it came down to it.
once i'm down there, i gotta leave. japan's closest, but that's also not safe, since they're also north korea's enemy. therefore, i'm going to china.
planes are outta the question, so by boat. i'm taking a ferry to china next month actually, so maybe illl learn something then. however, any boat of any kind going south or west, i'll take.

other than that, i know where my passport is, and i'd just take that and withdraw as much cash as possible, then gtho. i've got my american bank account too with money just in case.

to me, that sounds way to organized of a panic. (i know your plan is purposely broad spectrum, like an over all goal) but i think the human element has been completely left out of this. there will be the looters, the murderers, the panic, the stealing, all of that. not everyone will see this as a mad dash for the border to get away, alot of people will refuse to leave in the first place, and alot will think they can take advantage of the situation. how will you protect yourself on your trip south? you have no food, no weapons, nothing to trade or offer to recieve passage. i'm not attacking you, but "go south" isn't much preparation to make your trip easier. basically, what could you do NOW, that could give you an advantage over everyone else around you later?

if i were in your situation, i'd have a backpack with a hydration bladder, with about a weeks supply of those high calorie survival bars for food. right now, that seems the best thing for you, so that you wouldn't have to stop as often to eat or rest as those around you. you'll be on foot/bike the majority of the way, so you'll need your strength. i'd stay off the main roads as much as possible, to reduce your chances of a hostile incident happening. since you would want to stay as light as possible to keep your speed up, i'd suggest getting a 6'x8" waterproof tarp. if my understanding is correct, it's supposet to be fairly wet where you are? that tarp, with a bit of 1/8" thick nylon rope will suffice for shelter. the tarp is also useful for several other things, such as several types of water collection. usually, i always packed a shower curtain when i went camping. it does all the same things, but is smaller and lighter. you'll need a flashlight (preferably a crank one that has a cellphone charger on it) a multitool, and a mosquito-net hat covering. (this i think would be your most useful item, if you can't get a full periods rest due to the bugs pestering you, your speed will slow drastically)

there is more, but i think i'm already getting carried away. heh

[jonathan83]

Nuke doesn't actually mean end, especially with as low yield as N. Korea has, you would still have a chance of living (so might want to know closest place to find radiation treatment).

well, i live right in the middle of seoul. that's why i'm saying if it was nuked, i'm sure i'd be a goner from the blast itself.
if i knew it was coming then sure, i'd go down in a big basement of some kind to wait it out as long as possible, but when would anyone really know?

[jonathan83]

I would think that planes would be safer than boats

the airport is right next to seoul, and on the coast. it's right across the border from north korea. i just imagine planes being shot as they try to take off...or just the airport being bombed. it just doesn't seem so safe. also, everyone will be trying to get to the airports.

[jonathan83]

to me, that sounds way to organized of a panic. (i know your plan is purposely broad spectrum, like an over all goal) but i think the human element has been completely left out of this. there will be the looters, the murderers, the panic, the stealing, all of that. not everyone will see this as a mad dash for the border to get away, alot of people will refuse to leave in the first place, and alot will think they can take advantage of the situation. how will you protect yourself on your trip south? you have no food, no weapons, nothing to trade or offer to recieve passage. i'm not attacking you, but "go south" isn't much preparation to make your trip easier. basically, what could you do NOW, that could give you an advantage over everyone else around you later?

hmm well, the vast majority of koreans believe nothing will happen anyway, so i think there would be a high percentage that won't even try to flee.
but even if they do, there are tons of stores everywhere. it's not like the states where you have to drive to walmart. just within a 1 minute walking distanc to my place, there's about 10 different grocery stores and convenient stores.
but honestly, i don't see myself needing that much stuff because heading south doesn't mean traveling for a week really. it only takes about 6 hours from one end of the country to the other (by car).
i dont have to go all the way south, but just far enough to get out of seoul, where all the major fighing would be.

officially, the us embassy is supposed to evacuate all american citizens in the case of something like this happening. i'm signed up to their lists and they talk about it often. but i'm not counting on that, in case of a panic.

[FORSAKENR320]

hmm well, the vast majority of koreans believe nothing will happen anyway, so i think there would be a high percentage that won't even try to flee.
but even if they do, there are tons of stores everywhere. it's not like the states where you have to drive to walmart. just within a 1 minute walking distanc to my place, there's about 10 different grocery stores and convenient stores.
but honestly, i don't see myself needing that much stuff because heading south doesn't mean traveling for a week really. it only takes about 6 hours from one end of the country to the other (by car).
i dont have to go all the way south, but just far enough to get out of seoul, where all the major fighing would be.

officially, the us embassy is supposed to evacuate all american citizens in the case of something like this happening. i'm signed up to their lists and they talk about it often. but i'm not counting on that, in case of a panic.

thats true, but do you really wanna leave it all to chance? thats prolly the biggest point i am trying to understand from everyone with this thread. just how much of your safety is each person willing to leave to chance and "have faith" they will be ok? it's kinda how i define myself as paranoid.

on another note though, korea may be full of wack-jobs, but i don't think either north or south korea is stupid enough to attack civilian targets. i doubt they'd be shooting planes out of the sky, the same way i doubt that any country with half a brain would purposely target hospitals. thats political suicide, and would bring the wrath of the entire united nations down on them.

but i'll be honest, i simply cannot relate to your level of trust that you won't even need to pack a lunch to escape safely... my brain rejects every fiber of that idea so harshly that i cannot even think about it properly

[FORSAKENR320]

Jonathan you should buy some potassium iodate.

http://www.campingsurvival.com/potiodkio3th.html

In the event that South Korea is nuked and you survive you'll want some KIO3 pills to stop your body from absorbing radiation.

have you read all of that in your link? i love this part

1) Your thyroid runs on iodine.
2) Your thyroid is a pig.
3) Your thyroid is stupid.

[cmac]

if it's my time, it's my time.
it's been a good run.

[FORSAKENR320]

if it's my time, it's my time.
it's been a good run.

don't know why, but i figured you'd say that.

[FORSAKENR320]

you know, i find those survival kits and "first aid kits" to be the most over priced pieces of crap ever. my personal first aid kit cost me about $30 to make myself, but it's got more stuff in it than the $89 first aid kit does.

a little tip:: buy a box of unscented heavy flow maxi pads to put in your medical kits. they work just as well as those "blood stoppers" they have in those over priced trama kits.

also, buy a small box of Pectin. they sell it at walmart in the section where you buy/make perservatives. (about $2 for a box) it's the jelling compound thats in jello. sprinkle this liberally on the wound, and it will jell the blood to stop the bleeding. add the maxi pad to the top, and using a large gauze bandage, TIGHTLY wrap a rock, block of wood, tightly rolled sock, or ball of ducttape directly over the wound. this acts as leverage to keep tight pressure on the wound. if the wound is bad enough to require this in order to get the person to a safe place, additional proceedures will need to be taken. the pectin is easily cleaned out of the wound with the wound solution i mentioned earlier, then you can stitch/ superglue the wound shut. i f it is a puncture wound (like a gun shot or stab wound) these have to be treated differently, though the very first step is the same. STOP THE BLEEDING.

another tip:: if you apply a gauze wrap, and it gets soaked through, add another layer. do NOT remove the soaked layer, this removes the clotting of the blood thats already taken place, and you have to "start over"

i don't know the whole process on treating a gunshot wound, but a stab wound i do know. the first step will be controlling the bleeding. do the steps as above (the Pectin also keeps the wound from sucking in air, which can cause complications) once you are safe, the wound will need to be deep cleansed. this is painful, but it involves spraying out the entire wound forcefully with wound solution. do not use plain water, as it will cause infection. (a sqeeze bottle with a straw, for instance) you can't stitch a puncture wound, and they will need to breath as much as possible. the reason being that the scab will form, and it will be the primary sealing method of the puncture wound (it forms directly to the shape of the wound, etc. a bandage or bandaid is essentially replacing the scab when you apply it) as you move, the scab cracks, causing more leaking, needing direct air to clot and seal it (this is why you don't move victims as much as possible) so you will need to loosely apply sterile gauze to keep the wound clean. if you have iodine, regularly treat and wash the wound and area surrounding it with the iodine to keep out infection. other than that, unless you have advanced medical knowledge, there is not much more you can do. the body takes care of it's self. keeping infection from happening is really the only thing. of course, if the puncture wound is a clean, straight, knife cut, that is gaping open, stitching will definately be required. you should use a Surgeons knot

http://www.troop7.org/Knots/Surgeon.html

there is a continuous surgeons knot that i know for wounds requiring more than 1 stitch, but it's harder to learn, especially if you don't have the 1st one memorized. avoiding infection is usually as easy as applying antibiotics directly to the wound before closing, redness and puffyness is normal. keep the wound covered and dry for at least 48 hours, apply cleansing and antibiotics twice a day.


wow, i just realised i went on a tangent hardcore, and i'm not even sure if what i typed is all completely coherant in the proper steps...

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Jun 15 2009, 04:32 PM

Reason for edit: Requested removal of mask ad by Seeker.

[FORSAKENR320]

the masks aren't fist aid kits they're simply masks used to filter biological agents and are more effective than your standard n95 mask

i know, i was looking at the other things on that site.

[cmac]

this is painful, but it involves spraying out the entire wound forcefully with wound solution. do not use plain water, as it will cause infection. (a sqeeze bottle with a straw, for instance) you can't stitch a puncture wound, and they will need to breath as much as possible.

holy crap that is no joke. when they cleaned out my wound below they squirted some liquid at high flow that was ice cold for about 30 minutes until the entire bottle was empty. my whole body went numb with cold. thought i was about to get some hypothermia or something. hurt ten times more than the act of ripping my leg open itself.

[FORSAKENR320]

wow, how'd you get that one?

and btw, how did the dr's handle that procedure? i always like to learn more about medical treatment, it's one of those skills i think are of the absolute importance be preserved in a crisis

[FORSAKENR320]

oh, one other tip. a wound is never near as bad as the blood makes it look. face wounds bleed horrendously, but they're usually just small nicks. and you can suffer a chest wound with very little bleeding, but is fatal.

[cmac]

bike crash. slammed leg into a tree stump and just gutted out the inside of it. you could see tendons and ligaments and muscle. pretty gruesome to everyone else, but i thought it was kinda cool. the adrenaline was too strong for any sort of pain to kick in.

so after sitting in the waiting room for 2 hours the doctor cleaned it out with the above description and then debated for another hour if it was too wide for stitches and if it would need surgery. they finally were closing down the minor emergency clinic and sent me to drive myself to the hospital down the street. hospital er took one look at it, cleaned it out for five more minutes, sewed it up with 18 stitches and sent me home. quick procedure actually. hiked a 14er a week later.

[jonathan83]

on another note though, korea may be full of wack-jobs, but i don't think either north or south korea is stupid enough to attack civilian targets. i doubt they'd be shooting planes out of the sky, the same way i doubt that any country with half a brain would purposely target hospitals. thats political suicide, and would bring the wrath of the entire united nations down on them.

that's exactly who kim jong-il is though. he's the guy who would be doing that. their news agency already said they won't guarantee the safety of civilian planes and boats.
even nuking seoul would severely affect north korea, since it's so close, but this guy is is a nutjob. or a genius in some dark way...or both.

[FORSAKENR320]

hmm... interesting


and interesting that no one over there cares

[chook]

well, i live right in the middle of seoul. that's why i'm saying if it was nuked, i'm sure i'd be a goner from the blast itself.
if i knew it was coming then sure, i'd go down in a big basement of some kind to wait it out as long as possible, but when would anyone really know?

I'd worry about regular motor fire from the north. Lots of artillery pieces are aimed at Seoul and they have the range. SM3s would take care of any nuclear missile from the North, the artillery would be the worst part.

[jonathan83]

SM3s?

[chook]

SM3s?

Those are the missiles that can shoot down ICBMs. Only on Aegis ships, but they keep a few in the Sea of Japan. From what my brother told me of being stationed in Korea, the North has a bunch of batterys aimed at places in the south, lots of them civilian.

[FORSAKENR320]

seems the best plan of action would be to get off the city trail. hit the outskirts of town, avoiding large groups of people. all the more reason you'd need all the things i mentioned above. "half-assing" it and trusting to blind luck you'll "make it" just running south ain't gonna cut it.

[THECHICKEN]

Those are the missiles that can shoot down ICBMs. Only on Aegis ships, but they keep a few in the Sea of Japan. From what my brother told me of being stationed in Korea, the North has a bunch of batterys aimed at places in the south, lots of them civilian.

Why would N. Korea need a Inter-continental ballistic missle for hit south Korea? Hell the U.S. put nukes into artillery rounds... somehow i see that being the route taken... nothing to shoot down.

[chook]

Why would N. Korea need a Inter-continental ballistic missle for hit south Korea? Hell the U.S. put nukes into artillery rounds... somehow i see that being the route taken... nothing to shoot down.

I really don't see them building a nuke that could survive the g's of an artillery launch, besides all those artillery post big enough to carry a nuke are watched and the people on the parallel could detect it.

[THECHICKEN]

Considering the distance, and ease of detecting a pre-ICBM launch, im just saying they'll do something else. ... hell a UAV would work better, just detonate at border.

[chook]

Considering the distance, and ease of detecting a pre-ICBM launch, im just saying they'll do something else. ... hell a UAV would work better, just detonate at border.

I think he would really just hire Dirkastan.

[The Fanatic]

I mean these types of situations go through my head from time to time especially after reading books like "Alas, Babylon". However, I don't really have the time or money to do any preparations. Right now i'm just living day to day.

[FORSAKENR320]

well, you know the most important things for survival really are the cheapest, most the time.

[Mommy]

I live on a military base. We have very little storage, but I am confident the Army would take care of us

[FORSAKENR320]

yea... kinda scary, but she's exactly the kind of "impressionable" mind that the government would want in order to breed the next generation of their new world order...

[Mommy]

Not really. I just don't live in constant fear that something bad is going to happen. I live out in the middle of fucking nowhere. I can't stockpile enough gas to get anywhere worthwhile. Hell, I don't even think I'm allowed to store gas here. I don't want guns in my household, unless I live in D.C. where they aren't allowed. I don't need a bunch of stupid body armor, knives, slashy things, and whatever else because I don't plan on going into hand to hand combat. I have a baby and another on the way. I have enough to worry about as far as providing for them. My husband has body armor, canteens, rain gear, etc etc etc so he will be fine and go out and weather the lands. Yay for government issue crap.

My husband is attached to an infantry brigade. Do you really think that if something were to happen to this country, the government would keep things from him and his family? Uh no.

I have a hurricane evacuation plan lol. I also have a plan for when there are tornado warnings. We get a lot of those. That suffices me for now. Sadly, I live right next to a bunch of 30-40 ft tall ass trees. If something weather significant goes down right away, I'm probably a goner anyway.

[impala454]

I love how some of you act like if someone doesn't play dress up with army surplus gear then they must be some government sheep. For the love of God give it a rest.

[chook]

if you are actually prepared, you wouldn't be saying it online. Right now the Skynet crawler bot is locating you and putting what they will take from you in their database.

[jonathan83]

My husband is attached to an infantry brigade. Do you really think that if something were to happen to this country, the government would keep things from him and his family? Uh no.

haha well, FDR did about pearl harbor.
technically the US embassy is supposed to take care of us and evacuate us on military airplanes in case of an emergency...but with the 30,000 troops and their families, im wondering if there would even be time to get to the 10,000 english teachers and other guys we've got here. especially if something happened by surprise, there's nothing they could really do

[FORSAKENR320]

yea... the military gets away with alot of empty promises, relying on the idea that "intention" and "result" look the same on paper

[Mommy]

Yeah cuz you know so much about the armed forces.

[FORSAKENR320]

i know enough to not trust them.

[impala454]

and what is it that you know that is enough not to trust them?

[FORSAKENR320]

i know that the purpose of military is to maintain order. they are not in place to protect individual rights

[impala454]

so what about that purpose makes them dishonest?

[FORSAKENR320]

not dishonest

just emphasising the point that the military is there to maintain order, that the order is necessary to maintain our way of life that protects our rights. but if maintaining order requires the sacrifice of some of those rights, the military will do so. in that event, my personal life doesn't mean much to them, so i can't trust them to have my own interests as priority.

sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omlette, etc. but it usually doesn't work out so well for the egg

[Mommy]

i know that the purpose of military is to maintain order. they are not in place to protect individual rights

Actually, you need to google something called CCMRF because the Army has a lot more responsibilities now because of that. They now respond to national disasters after state resources have been exhausted (things like Hurricane Katrina, Sept 11), which previously was not allowed. Also, what about the National Guard? They respond to disasters as well to provide relief and yes, keep order.

And yeah, the only reason why I know about CCMRF is because my husband is part of 3ID, 1st Brigade, which was the first unit in the United States to receive this mission. Until Sept 30, at 11:59 pm he has strict travel restrictions (can't be more than four hours from base without special permission; and if special permission is granted, the farthest we could travel is Houston) in case a disaster were to arise.

[FORSAKENR320]

i'm glad you now consider yourself an expert because you put out for a guy in the military

as funny as the mental image is, you CANNOT absorb knowledge through osmosis

[FORSAKENR320]

but as i said in the beginning. all this stuff about "helping" looks really good on paper, and favorable to the military. but, if things go wrong, they get the cop-out excuse "there were complications we hadn't foreseen... we'll do better next time"

[impala454]

not dishonest

just emphasising the point that the military is there to maintain order, that the order is necessary to maintain our way of life that protects our rights. but if maintaining order requires the sacrifice of some of those rights, the military will do so. in that event, my personal life doesn't mean much to them, so i can't trust them to have my own interests as priority.

sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omlette, etc. but it usually doesn't work out so well for the egg

But by this logic, nobody on the entire planet is trustworthy, so it's a moot point.

[Mommy]

your husband better hope there's no natural disasters in fort worth that he has to attend to because when he comes knocking at my door trying to confiscate my guns like they did during katrina i will make swiss cheese out of him

He's a lab tech. He won't be knocking at anyone's door. He will be analyzing poop, pee, and blood. hah

[Mommy]

i'm glad you now consider yourself an expert because you put out for a guy in the military

as funny as the mental image is, you CANNOT absorb knowledge through osmosis

Oh yes, because I haven't had to live with the affects of anything he does... you know, the lack of vacation time, the constant field trainings, ... none of that. Oh and what I know of the military does not come from what he tells me (or injects into me with he penis). Most of it comes from a group that I am leader of here at Fort Stewart, the Family Readiness Group. Forget the fact that my husband is gone right now since Monday and won't be back until Wednesday, will be gone again for three weeks in August, will be gone the entire month of October, and then deploys out in December for a year to Iraq, literally 2 weeks before our baby is due.... Yeah, the Army has no affect on my life at all.


I certainly don't try and educate myself on anything since my job is to cook and clean and pop out children.

Seriously, Brandon, live in a hole with your ammo and armor. Just stay out of normal people's way. We'd rather not put up with your kind.

[FORSAKENR320]

But by this logic, nobody on the entire planet is trustworthy, so it's a moot point.

exactly. i don't trust anybody to have my best interest at heart. the only person who you can trust to do everything possible to ensure your safety is yourself.

[impala454]

Meant to say "untrustworthy" but obviously you got my meaning.

[FORSAKENR320]

Oh yes, because I haven't had to live with the affects of anything he does... you know, the lack of vacation time, the constant field trainings, ... none of that. Oh and what I know of the military does not come from what he tells me (or injects into me with he penis). Most of it comes from a group that I am leader of here at Fort Stewart, the Family Readiness Group. Forget the fact that my husband is gone right now since Monday and won't be back until Wednesday, will be gone again for three weeks in August, will be gone the entire month of October, and then deploys out in December for a year to Iraq, literally 2 weeks before our baby is due.... Yeah, the Army has no affect on my life at all.


I certainly don't try and educate myself on anything since my job is to cook and clean and pop out children.

Seriously, Brandon, live in a hole with your ammo and armor. Just stay out of normal people's way. We'd rather not put up with your kind.

nice speech, except it completely ignores what i was saying in the first place. what do YOU know of the military's intentions? what does your husband know? he's a little cog in the big machine, it's not like they're making it known to him what he's ACTUALLY going to be doing. he's a military man. he's expected to sit down, shut the fuck up and not ask questions.

there is prolly a million contengency planes for everything, and prolly the majority of them will either fail to poor planning, or aren't feesible for our military to execute. but because they have the "plan" on paper, they lessen their liability when they fuck up.

[Mommy]

nice speech, except it completely ignores what i was saying in the first place. what do YOU know of the military's intentions? what does your husband know? he's a little cog in the big machine, it's not like they're making it known to him what he's ACTUALLY going to be doing. he's a military man. he's expected to sit down, shut the fuck up and not ask questions.

there is prolly a million contengency planes for everything, and prolly the majority of them will either fail to poor planning, or aren't feesible for our military to execute. but because they have the "plan" on paper, they lessen their liability when they fuck up.

I grew up around the military. I have no problem with it. It protects us. If it weren't for the military, we would not be The United States of America. I think there are bigger issues out there than bitching about the military. You haven't served your country, put your life on the line for the sake of this country or another country so really you can't speak. Sure, my husband hasn't done that yet either; but come December he will be. I have a lot of respect for the people here. It's an infantry brigade, meaning they see a lot of action, lose a lot of men, and fight the fight longer than other types of units. The military in and of itself has only one intention: get the job done. Technically, I think that CCMRF mission is considered unconstitutional by some because the Army is not supposed to be assigned to state matters like that. *shrug* I think it's just the government's way of having a better back-up plan for occurrences like Katrina and 9/11.

You speak so poorly of our military, yet thus far history has shown it to be one of the best in the world, if not the best. Yeah, there are screw ups like Korea and Vietnam, but one the greater scale, we have done well.

It just really seems to me that you have no idea what you are talking about and have NOTHING to back up what you are saying. You just want to have an excuse to have a shit ton of unnecessary weapons and armor. That's cool. You found a hobby, but stop throwing politics in the mix. You sound like an idiot.

[FORSAKENR320]

once again, you completely miss the entire purpose of my comments. how about you sit down, shit out another baby, and shut the fuck up. people who aren't leeching their lifestyle off someone else are talking.

you make it sound like i'm doing nothing but shit-talking the military. just because i don't trust them to protect me as much as they'd like me to believe doesn't mean i don't appreciate them. there IS a difference.

there is more than one way to serve your country, more than one way to risk your life. you admire our military because they put their life at risk, even though we only have a 10% fighting force, and all 100% demand the same respect. i've seen more combat than many of your troops. i've been shot at, i've been injured. and for what? it's a job, sugar-tits. they wouldn't be there if they weren't getting paid for it and benifits. same as myself. patriotism is a rare thing, but it is best brought to the light with a bit of cash incentive.

[Mommy]

I get what you are saying... I have all along. You say you don't trust the military, but they don't decide who or what they are going to invade, attack, protect, etc. The government does. That's my point... a little bit more clearly spelled out for you.

[Mommy]

once again, you completely miss the entire purpose of my comments. how about you sit down, shit out another baby, and shut the fuck up. people who aren't leeching their lifestyle off someone else are talking.

you make it sound like i'm doing nothing but shit-talking the military. just because i don't trust them to protect me as much as they'd like me to believe doesn't mean i don't appreciate them. there IS a difference.

there is more than one way to serve your country, more than one way to risk your life. you admire our military because they put their life at risk, even though we only have a 10% fighting force, and all 100% demand the same respect. i've seen more combat than many of your troops. i've been shot at, i've been injured. and for what? it's a job, sugar-tits. they wouldn't be there if they weren't getting paid for it and benifits. same as myself. patriotism is a rare thing, but it is best brought to the light with a bit of cash incentive.

Yeah, but being a bouncer at a night club (where some of the incidents I'm sure occurred) isn't exactly the most... umm... reputable job.

These people are also away from the families for 6 months, 12 months, 15 months, 18 months.... it wasn't until recently that they put a 12 month cap on Iraq tours.

Just because they aren't being shot at over there does not mean their job is not vital. They still have to be armed and loaded at all times. Why? Because crazy fucks shoot at those who aren't just infantry or cav. They shoot at everyone. Also, some of them are sent on special assignments. My husband took intelligence training pertaining to Arab crap. So, yeah, 90% of the time he will be in a hard cover hospital playing lab tech, but sometimes he has to go out and gather evidence. So, yeah, I think it is important to support our troops... even the ones that aren't sent there to fight.

[FORSAKENR320]

so what bearing does any of the last several rants you've provided have on the fact that i should trust the government/military with my personal safety?

i'll follow one of your tangents, the one where you claim that just because they aren't at physical risk that their job isn't vital. isn't EVERYONE'S job vital for our society? what seperates a military man so that he's deserving of more respect than say, your everyday government worker? you have obviously defined a difference so that they are more "worthy" of being honored, and up until your last post i had assumed that your definition rested with the risk of danger.

you have been justifying why i shouldn't be bad-mouthing the military (even though i haven't) with the "sacrifices" that these people make, (even though the sacrifices you are listing are no different than many civilian jobs) and the entire arguement has absolutely no bearing at all of why i should and should not trust the military.

[Mommy]

If you can't see how my posts are relevant, then you really should be saving every penny to get back into school. I'm done with this asinine argument.

[RitalinJunkie]

I don't think it should be about whether you trust the military or not.....it should be about if your trust the stupid fucks who run it. Which, seeing as how they are the same people who are able to vote pay raises for themselves, rather than use that money to help others (which is their job), and support their constituents over the people they are elected to serve (sometimes a necessity i know, but its the principal of the thing dammit), it doesn't exactly give me reason to trust them with the best interest of anything other than themselves.

[FORSAKENR320]

If you can't see how my posts are relevant, then you really should be saving every penny to get back into school. I'm done with this asinine argument.

i seriously doubt i'm the only person who noticed you arguing for random tangents.... go back to being a chameleon, and taking on the characteristics and personality traits of the person you're involved with...

[Mommy]

i seriously doubt i'm the only person who noticed you arguing for random tangents.... go back to being a chameleon, and taking on the characteristics and personality traits of the person you're involved with...

Oh yes, because I haven't been arguing for troop support on here for the past 4 years....if not longer.

Military roots run deep in my family, sir.

[FORSAKENR320]

Oh yes, because I haven't been arguing for troop support on here for the past 4 years....if not longer.

Military roots run deep in my family, sir.

and thats just it. you're ranting and raving on your soap box about supporting the troops, when the actual arguement is wether or not i should trust them with my life.


brandon:: i like apples
impala:: apples are ok, but i prefer bananas
jessica:: monkeys stink


thats pretty much a representation of your place so far in this discussion

[Mommy]

Dear fucking God, Brandon. How can one person be so stupid??????

I already addressed the trust issue fucking 5 times over. Are you even reading my posts? Yeah, some of it is added bullshit that is just on the side, but I shouldn't have to explicitly say IN REFERENCE TO TRUST every time I post something related to that issue. The CCMRF thing was an FYI thing but also deals with trust. I mentioned past military failures and how they should not sway our trust of our military. I mentioned that the politicians making the laws are the ones to fear, not the military. If that's not good enough of an answer then I don't know what is.

Then you make some comment about me being a chameleon because my husband is in the military, and I said well I've been on this support your troops thing for a while.

Obviously, my final post has nothing to do with trust. It just has to do with the fact that I grew up surrounded by military, and your comment could not be further from the truth. God fucking dammit.

[FORSAKENR320]

i love you

i want you to have my babies

[Mommy]

My vagoo is taken.

Find yourself an open parking spot.

[Spectatrix]

*yawn*

[Mommy]

*yawn*

Shut your cunt mouth before I fuckstart your face.

[RitalinJunkie]

Shut your cunt mouth before I fuckstart your face.

wuv...twu wuv

[Mommy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xsaMcw69D8

fast forward to 50 seconds in

[RitalinJunkie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xsaMcw69D8

fast forward to 50 seconds in

that is freaking awsome

you recieve this....

[FORSAKENR320]

Shut your cunt mouth before I fuckstart your face.

*bumping this random comment*