Lubbock County Wins!, Vote to decide if lubbock becomes wet Options

[The Fanatic]

Alright folks May 9th the city of Lubbock will vote on whether or not this conservative chiristian dust bowl will finally become wet. If you still reside in Lubbock and are registered to vote I suggest you vote for proposition 1 and 2 on Saturday. I early voted last week. I hope to god this passes and if it doesn't then I will finally and completely lose all respect and hope for this city and the people that live in it.

[impala454]

Make fun of the Christians then hope to God that the bill passes...

Dude don't forget, Catholics have keggers.... and the other denominations just say you shouldn't and do it anyways. Praise God and hand me a beer! (from Walmart)

[chook]

Don't worry, in another 100 years we will all be Muslim and can only drink in Dubai, cause Allah doesn't look there.

[Hartmann]

Don't worry, in another 100 years we will all be Muslim and can only drink in Dubai, cause Allah doesn't look there.

If Dubai is still around in 100 years, I'll be very surprised. People are fleeing that place like rats jumping off a sinking ship.

[The Fanatic]

It amazes me how you can take unrelated "hot button issues" and correlate them with making a county wet.

This is typical christian conservative politics! OH NO SAVE THE CHILDREN!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!


*slams head into wall*

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: May 9 2009, 12:52 AM

[chook]

That is fucking crap. I like how that picture is one of the tour de tech.

[blaarg]

Hah, that ad KILLS me.

I think it's just funny -- that stuff could STILL happen with or without Lubbock going wet! It's funny too because the anti-proponents want to "keep Lubbock beautiful" implying that all other wet towns in the United States (so yeah, pretty much every city) is an ugly monstrosity devoid of morals.

This thing better pass...

[impala454]

This is typical christian conservative politics! OH NO SAVE THE CHILDREN!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!


*slams head into wall*

Where on earth do you get "christian conservative politics" out of this?

[Psykopath]

Prop 1: 65% FOR, 35% against

Prop 2: 70% FOR, 30% against



LUBBOCK COUNTY HAS ENTERED THE 21st CENTURY!!!!!!!!

[FORSAKENR320]

SWEET TITTIES

[impala454]

effin sweet.. so it is done, for sure happening?

[Psykopath]

effin sweet.. so it is done, for sure happening?

Yep.

It'll take about 6-8 weeks for it to begin selling in stores (gotta get set up for it).

[impala454]

nice... having been back in Houston for two years I've gotten back used to buying beer at the grocery store... glad to hear yall will get it!

[jwttu]

yep now all that has to happen is for TABC to start licensing stores that want to sell booze which is about a month long process. Also not everywhere in Lubbock will be able to sell alcohol because the city council passed an ordinance that you get sell it within a certain distance o churches and schools.

And for those that love the strip it will sill exist. This election was just for beer/wine in the city limit. Liquor will still be a strip only thing.

[Hartmann]

yep now all that has to happen is for TABC to start licensing stores that want to sell booze which is about a month long process. Also not everywhere in Lubbock will be able to sell alcohol because the city council passed an ordinance that you get sell it within a certain distance o churches and schools.

And for those that love the strip it will sill exist. This election was just for beer/wine in the city limit. Liquor will still be a strip only thing.

Interesting. So I wonder how long until they vote on liquor.

It seems that the strip conglomerate made a tiny concession in order to keep their business.

Good news all around.

[The Fanatic]

I could be wrong but i was pretty sure the proposition included liquor as well.

[The Fanatic]

Actually i'm a 100 percent sure it does. Look at the wording of the proposition. If it didn't include Liquor then why would TAAS lead a misinformation campaign about liquor being sold in grocery stores and warning against liquor stores opening up near homes.

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: May 10 2009, 11:16 AM

[The Fanatic]

The liquor stores asked 237th District Judge Sam Medina to bar the city from issuing the necessary paperwork to obtain alcoholic beverage permits until an agreement can be reached on the wording of the ordinance




http://lubbockonline.com/stories/050509/loc_436484820.shtml

[Oasis]

Where on earth do you get "christian conservative politics" out of this?

Your ignorance gives me a headache. Read the fucking websites associated with the pro and anti alcohol sales camps and you'll clearly see this is yet another case of your religion being exactly what you're scared of - being ignorant fucking retards

Truth hurts. Go cry about it.

[impala454]

I did read the website. Not a single reference to any religion or political view.

Do you really believe that Christians and/or conservatives are the only people who opposed this thing?

[Psykopath]

This ordinance will allow beer/wine/liquor in the city limits. It does not exclude the "hard stuff."

[Oasis]

I did read the website. Not a single reference to any religion or political view.

Do you really believe that Christians and/or conservatives are the only people who opposed this thing?

Conservative right wing bible belt Christians are generally irrational and ignorant. That ad is irrational and ignorant. Yeah, I can reasonably deduct who is behind the TAAS. Then again, I can understand why you'd have trouble grasping the concept

You obviously didn't go to the site the thread is referencing (lubbockcountywins.com) because it mentions the church affiliation on the first page.

[RitalinJunkie]

yay....glen can buy booze when he gets back to lubbock.....this pleases him greatly

[The Fanatic]

I did read the website. Not a single reference to any religion or political view.

Do you really believe that Christians and/or conservatives are the only people who opposed this thing?

It's pretty easy to deduce that the majority of people opposed to alcohol sales in the city are conservative Christians. If you were in Lubbock and drove around you would notice that most of the against signs happen to be in front of churches. And since most people in this town are conservative i can logically deduce that they are probably conservative Christians. I suppose that the 10 Muslims in Lubbock were also opposed. But i'm sure that there were a FEW christian conservatives that also voted for the proposition.

[impala454]

You "deduced" your statement based on some signs in front of some churches???

Why don't you "deduce" this:

According to the AJ, 36% voted against the resolution. Are you going to sit there and tell me that the same city which you dubbed a "conservative christian dustbowl" in your original post is only 36% comprised of christian conservatives?

[chook]

It's pretty easy to deduce that the majority of people opposed to alcohol sales in the city are conservative Christians. If you were in Lubbock and drove around you would notice that most of the against signs happen to be in front of churches. And since most people in this town are conservative i can logically deduce that they are probably conservative Christians. I suppose that the 10 Muslims in Lubbock were also opposed. But i'm sure that there were a FEW christian conservatives that also voted for the proposition.

Isnt there a violation of the implication falacy? One for the lawyers...

[The Fanatic]

You "deduced" your statement based on some signs in front of some churches???

Why don't you "deduce" this:

According to the AJ, 36% voted against the resolution. Are you going to sit there and tell me that the same city which you dubbed a "conservative christian dustbowl" in your original post is only 36% comprised of christian conservatives?

No. Again, most people that voted against it were conservative Christians. I'm sure that some conservative Christians voted for it as well. Impala you and I both know that the reason most liquor laws exist is because of christian politics. An example would be no liquor on sundays. I'm not sure why were are having this debate other than the fact that you l like to argue.

[impala454]

No. Again, most people that voted against it were conservative Christians.

And what evidence do you have to support this?

I'm sure that some conservative Christians voted for it as well.

Obviously. So since Christian Conservatives obviously voted on both sides of the issue, how in the bloody hell can you pin the notion "mostly" against them?!?

Impala you and I both know that the reason most liquor laws exist is because of christian politics. An example would be no liquor on sundays.

You keep using these words "christian politics". Whatever that is supposed to mean. And "most liquor laws"? How many are there? Why does the whole country generally work Mon-Fri and take Saturday & Sunday off? Is that "christian politics" too? Does it not make sense to try to allow the general population to sober up before Monday? I am not saying I agree with any of these laws, I just don't think your pinning it all on christians is really valid. You act as though it's some kinda clear cut, christian=anti-drinking and non-christian=drunkpartyanimal.

I'm not sure why were are having this debate other than the fact that you l like to argue.

If you don't want to debate then stop I guess.

[Spectatrix]

I know that Southern Baptists (and some other denominations?) are against drinking. I could certainly see them being against making Lubbock wet, but not necessarily Christian conservatives in general. Hell, Catholics even drink in church!

[FORSAKENR320]

i love how impala's defense mechanism is to segment every arguement, and thereby take everything involved out of context.....

[impala454]

I love how you always think you have some philosophy figured out that explains me.

I'm not segmenting anything. Just because someone puts multiple different thoughts in one long paragraph doesn't make their entire run on post one cohesive argument. I split out the individual ideas because it's easier to individually respond to them.

Besides, it's not like typing the bbcode to split the quotes up requires a computer science degree.

[FORSAKENR320]

I love how you always think you have some philosophy figured out that explains me.

I'm not segmenting anything. Just because someone puts multiple different thoughts in one long paragraph doesn't make their entire run on post one cohesive argument. I split out the individual ideas because it's easier to individually respond to them.

Besides, it's not like typing the bbcode to split the quotes up requires a computer science degree.

i've seen your shit, i've read your shit, i've even argued with you and you've done it with me.

you segment your arguements because it's easier for you to nitpick the individual sentences, instead of having a debate over the actual concept.

you never truelly address the subject when you pull that crap, all you do is open up several tangents in the conversation to argue against, and distract from the original subject.

we've all seen you do it, so you can quit with that bullshit.

[impala454]

I already explained it but you just felt the need to repeat the same shit. I'm not going in circles with your crybabying about my posts.

It's so easy to tell when I hit a nerve or make a point with you guys, because you stop debating the topic and start bitching about me and how I post. Pretty petty and childish if you ask me. If I'm as stupid as you guys act like I am, then my posts shouldn't make you so defensive.

[Spectatrix]

I agree with Impala on this one, at least in asking for substantiation of your claims.

Did most of the funding for "Keep Lubbock Beautiful" come from conservative Christian groups?
Were religious reasons the ones most touted in opposition to the props?

These are the kind of questions you should be answering. Calling Impala names and insulting his posting style does not prove your points.

[FORSAKENR320]

I agree with Impala on this one, at least in asking for substantiation of your claims.

Did most of the funding for "Keep Lubbock Beautiful" come from conservative Christian groups?
Were religious reasons the ones most touted in opposition to the props?

These are the kind of questions you should be answering. Calling Impala names and insulting his posting style does not prove your points.

i wasn't siding with fanatic, or even putting in an opinion for this thread. my involvement is purely on the subject of how impala posts.

[Spectatrix]

i wasn't siding with fanatic, or even putting in an opinion for this thread. my involvement is purely on the subject of how impala posts.

Sounds like trolling to me. Knock if off.

[impala454]

Hey some of you who live up there, do us out of towners a favor and go take some pics of the strip at night... would love to have some good pics for old times sake.

[The Fanatic]

I must admit I will miss those flashing lights!

[cmac]

so are they just going to tear it down and move into the city, or what's the plan?

[The Fanatic]

It's going to take at least 8 weeks for booze to appear on the shelves in town and even longer for package liquor stores to appear.


One because the strip is suing the city of Lubbock over zoning regulations that they feel violate state law.


Two it takes a long time to approve upwards of 100 liquor permits.


But eventually the strip will cease to exist and we will be able to buy our booze in town. Yippee!


And i'm sure the two companies, Majestic and Pinkies, Plan on moving into the city. They are trying to buy some time with the lawsuit as well as maintain the monopoly they have over the city.

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: May 12 2009, 09:26 AM

[Spectatrix]

I recall hearing at one point that some of the mega churches in Lubbock were owners or otherwise involved with the businesses on the Strip. Any truth to that?

[jwttu]

I recall hearing at one point that some of the mega churches in Lubbock were owners or otherwise involved with the businesses on the Strip. Any truth to that?

they got donations from the strip owners near election time, but other than that they aren't "involved" in the businesses. Majestic which owns most of the strip is an out of town company.

[The Fanatic]

Pinkies is also out of town. It's based out of Odessa/midland, while majestic is based out of the fort worth area.

[chook]

I was told that an Indian (India) family was one of the two players on the strip.

[jonathan83]

if this thing passed by 70% or whatever, obviously a lot of these "conservative christians" voted for it.

i know plenty of people who would fall into that category, and they're all for selling alcohol in the city. there are many reasons why it was a good idea...which had nothing to do with religion or being conservative.

i think it was only the uber-conservative people who were against it, and honestly (even in lubbock) that's probably a minority within the "conservative christians" group.

[The Fanatic]

if this thing passed by 70% or whatever, obviously a lot of these "conservative christians" voted for it.

i know plenty of people who would fall into that category, and they're all for selling alcohol in the city. there are many reasons why it was a good idea...which had nothing to do with religion or being conservative.

i think it was only the uber-conservative people who were against it, and honestly (even in lubbock) that's probably a minority within the "conservative christians" group.

Fair enough