For those that suffer from Chron's or IBS Options

[pysex]

There may be an answer to the cause...

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articl...ire/0462081.htm

GeneThera, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: GTHR) announced it will begin testing of raw and processed milk and dairy products using its Real Time PCR test for Johne's disease through its Wheat Ridge, CO laboratory.

GeneThera is set to begin offering its Johne's disease testing service as soon as January of 2009 and says it will add testing of milk and other dairy products due to the overwhelming evidence linking Johne's disease in cattle to Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) and Crohn's disease in humans.

According to GeneThera Chairman, Dr. Tony Milici, MD, PhD, "GeneThera specializes in diagnostic assays and vaccines for what we call 'Crossover Diseases.' These are diseases that are typically found in cattle, but create a significant risk to humans that consume them. Some other examples would be E. coli, and Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, otherwise known as Mad Cow Disease. We feel that not enough is being done by the USDA to properly protect the American consumer from these harmful pathogens."

According to the VA Medical Center in Bronx, NY, "... Although Crohn's disease is considered to be autoimmune in origin; there is increasing evidence that it may have an infectious cause. The most plausible candidate is Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis (MAP)."

In an article reviewed by About.com's Medical Review Board titled "Know What's In Your Milk?," it is reported that the bacteria causing Johne's is shed by the infected cow into her milk. The current pasteurization method is based on High Temperature, Short Time (HTST). This means that the milk is heated to 72 degrees Celsius (162 degrees F) for 15 seconds. The time period of 15 seconds has been shown to be insufficient to kill all of the paratuberculosis bacteria. As a result, paratuberculosis could live through the pasteurization process and be in cartons of milk on grocery store shelves. In fact, researchers found that up to 25% of milk on store shelves in central and southern England contained paratuberculosis DNA.

A paper published by the Journal of Clinical Microbiology in December 2007 stated, "... Mucosal biopsy specimens from the ileum and the ascending and descending colon were obtained from patients with irritable bowel syndrome attending the University of Sassari, Sassari, Sardinia, Italy. Crohn's disease and healthy control groups were also included. Mycobacterium avium subsp. paratuberculosis was detected in 15 of 20 (75%) patients with irritable bowel syndrome, 3 of 20 (15%) healthy controls, and 20 of 23 (87%) people with Crohn's disease." The paper concluded by saying, "Mycobacterium avium subsp. paratuberculosis is a candidate pathogen in the causation of a proportion of cases of irritable bowel syndrome as well as in Crohn's disease."

Currently, there are no regulations requiring the disposal of milk found to contain Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis. If milk tested on the farm or at a processing plant is found to contain the bacteria, it is still processed and delivered to stores.

The company states that its Real Time PCR test is much more accurate and timely than what is commonly available today and results are typically available within 24-48 hours of receipt of the samples.

[Mommy]

I don't eat dairy products but still have digestive problems.

[chook]

I don't eat dairy products but still have digestive problems.

did you ever for a while though. I wonder if this calls for the pasteurization process to change.

[Mommy]

did you ever for a while though. I wonder if this calls for the pasteurization process to change.

My mom would try to force me to drink it, but she was mostly unsuccessful. I would say I definitely eat way less dairy products than most people. What about cows milk-based formula? Doesn't matter much anymore since my son drinks soy milk formula. We had an awful trip to the ER one night because he had an allergic reaction to milk. Lumbar puncture, catheter, iv, blood drawn.... it wasn't pleasant to watch at all.

[chook]

My mom would try to force me to drink it, but she was mostly unsuccessful. I would say I definitely eat way less dairy products than most people. What about cows milk-based formula? Doesn't matter much anymore since my son drinks soy milk formula. We had an awful trip to the ER one night because he had an allergic reaction to milk. Lumbar puncture, catheter, iv, blood drawn.... it wasn't pleasant to watch at all.

allergic to your breast milk or cow milk? If its the former it sucks, the latter, you are giving him wrong stuff.

[Mommy]

I didn't breastfeed him. I bottle fed. Formula is made with cows milk. He now drinks formula made of soy.

He had trouble with regular formula so when he was 2 weeks old, they switched him to lactose free sensitive formula (still cows milk based). I kept telling the doctors he was still having stomach trouble, but they didn't do anything about it. Finally, when he was 3 months, they switched him to soy formula. He did a lot better. When I went to his last well baby at 4 months, the dumb bitch doctor told me that his symptoms didn't sound like a milk allergy so try switching him back. The first bottle of cow's milk formula caused profuse vomiting. He threw up 3 times in 10 minutes. We started packing up for the hospital (we were at a friend's house when it happened) and he threw up twice more in a matter of 5 minutes. He threw up 3 more times on the 10 minute drive to the hospital, then 3 more times at the hospital. He wouldn't move, wouldn't cry, wouldn't take down the medicine they tried giving him. I was scared out of my mind. They put him on IV fluids, did a full lab workup, and stool samples. His stomach was screwed up for 2 weeks because of that one bottle. Needless to say, I am 100% sure he is allergic to milk now.... wouldn't matter if it were cow's milk or breast milk. He would still be allergic to it.

[pysex]

the scary thing about it is the mycobacteria that is KNOWN to cause auto immune disorders...Arthritis being the biggest one....

the controlled study that's in this article was done in Italy where they don't have as much pasteurization as we do...they eat raw cow's milk cheeses and stuff...that explains why there's such an alarming number of patients with IBS and CROHNS that have that particular mycobacteria present in their digestive tract

the CDC's website acknowledges that there's a link between that bacteria and digestive problems but they brush off the fact that a lot of people aren't affected by it.....but wouldn't that be untrue?

if this mycobacteria (not excactly the same genetically) was linked to other auto immune disorders...wouldn't it just mean it affects people in different ways? seems like mycobacteria is a bigger problem than they want to make it seem

from my understanding that type of bacteria is EXTREMELY difficult to kill off unless you use radiation or very powerful antibiotics (which have their own harmful side effects)....

[Mommy]

do you eat a lot of dairy, Alex?

[pysex]

i hardly ever drink milk anymore as it used to really bother me....but i do still eat cheese

this mycobacteria survives pasteurization and still lives in things like cheese, sour cream, cream cheese, etc...the only way it's killed is ultrapasteurization (radiation)

[Spectatrix]

wouldn't matter if it were cow's milk or breast milk. He would still be allergic to it.

There are huge chemical differences between human and bovine milk. It is possible for infants to be allergic to breastmilk, but it is *extremely* rare. If you have another kid, I would recommend trying to breastfeed, at least initially. It usually results in fewer problems overall.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Dec 20 2008, 03:54 PM

[Mommy]

I have been told by doctors that it wouldn't matter. He is allergic to it all.

[FORSAKENR320]

your son is a manly man.....

[Mommy]

Yes indeed he is

He has been driving since an early age








He loves to lounge around and watch tv



He loves video games







And he certainly knows the meaning of hard work



Can't get much manlier than that

[FORSAKENR320]

i think he'll be a smashing success on broadway

[Mommy]

i think he'll be a smashing success on broadway

whateva

[FORSAKENR320]

lol

[Spectatrix]

I have been told by doctors that it wouldn't matter. He is allergic to it all.

Ah, that sucks. Well at least the soy formula is working for you.

[chook]

There are huge chemical differences between human and bovine milk. It is possible for infants to be allergic to breastmilk, but it is *extremely* rare. If you have another kid, I would recommend trying to breastfeed, at least initially. It usually results in fewer problems overall.

Still try it with the second child. What did the docs say what compound he was allergic to?

[Mommy]

goddammit,people,idon'thavetoboobyfeedifidon'twantto.

Mygoddamnspacebardoesn'twork

[FORSAKENR320]

goddammit,people,idon'thavetoboobyfeedifidon'twantto.

Mygoddamnspacebardoesn'twork

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[The Fanatic]

goddammit,people,idon'thavetoboobyfeedifidon'twantto.

Mygoddamnspacebardoesn'twork

You tell em!!!

[Spectatrix]

goddammit,people,idon'thavetoboobyfeedifidon'twantto.

Mygoddamnspacebardoesn'twork

I know. I am curious as to why you don't, though. I understand that breastfeeding long term can be a hassle, but I think the health benefits are worth doing it for the first few months. *shrugs*

[Mommy]

Health benefits for whom? Me or the baby or both?

Because I need to work. I thought I was going to have a more stable job months ago. The hassle of pumping and all that is just something I don't want to deal with. If you are insinuating in any fashion that I am being negligent by not breastfeeding, then I don't know what to tell you. I was bottlefed. My brother was bottlefed. We turned out fine. Also, I don't feel like popping my breasts out in public just to feed the baby. Bottlefeeding has been very convenient. Additionally, my husband was able to feed the baby too and that made for excellent bonding time. I could have pumped, sure; but I'm not a cow and I don't like the idea of being milked.

[FORSAKENR320]

Health benefits for whom? Me or the baby or both?

Because I need to work. I thought I was going to have a more stable job months ago. The hassle of pumping and all that is just something I don't want to deal with. If you are insinuating in any fashion that I am being negligent by not breastfeeding, then I don't know what to tell you. I was bottlefed. My brother was bottlefed. We turned out fine. Also, I don't feel like popping my breasts out in public just to feed the baby. Bottlefeeding has been very convenient. Additionally, my husband was able to feed the baby too and that made for excellent bonding time. I could have pumped, sure; but I'm not a cow and I don't like the idea of being milked.

come on... it's not like you really have any other purpose...

[Spectatrix]

Health benefits for the baby, primarily, mainly antibodies conveyed through the milk. Research also suggests that breastfed babies have lower rates of allergies, asthma, obesity, diabetes, etc. There are health benefits for the mother too, primarily the fact that nursing burns calories and makes it easier to lose the pregnancy weight. But I I am not insinuating that you are being negligent by not breastfeeding. While I do believe that breast milk is superior food (unless the mother is a druggie/alcoholic or significantly malnourished), formula has come a long, long way and is good too. I mainly wondered why you didn't bf for the first couple of months, since you weren't working then and wouldn't have to worry about pumping (and it would've been cheaper than formula... lol).

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Jan 20 2009, 05:43 PM

[Mommy]

Well, because of my odd diet, I had concerns about that as well. I mean, I did everything I could to stay healthy while I was pregnant. I just don't know that my body could have taken much more. Also, right after I had Donovan, I could fit into all of my old clothes as early as 5 days postpartum. Those were the same clothes I was wearing when I weighed 115 pounds. It wasn't until about 2 months after I had him that I started to put on weight, which I contribute to eating when I'm bored. I NEVER EVER feel full. I eat a huge meal, but it's never enough. I swear it feels like I am pregnant again, but I know I am not. I know the health benefits are excellent for babies, but Donovan hasn't gotten sick much at all. He had an ear infection and then that allergy. I was bottlefed and I was never overweight growing up, I don't have diabetes, and I have no allergies that I know of. I do have asthma, though. My brother doesn't have any of those things. He wasn't breastfed because he was on a ventilator for a few weeks when he was born due to a congenital heart defect. By the time he came home weeks after he was born, of course my mom wasn't able to breastfeed because her supply dried up. I don't know. I weighed the options. I thought it through a lot... A LOT. I just decided it wasn't for me. The biggest reason is that I just wasn't comfortable with the idea. I have really sensitive nipples and couldn't imagine having to have a baby feed off them. (TMI). Like I said, not for me. I'll think about it some more when I get pregnant again, but I feel I made the best decision for my first child. Also, I didn't have very much swelling postpartum, and I had absolutely no leaking, so I'm going to continue convincing myself that my boobs are broken.

[Spectatrix]

You probably would have been fine diet-wise, but I totally understand that breastfeeding isn't for everyone. If/when you do get pregnant again, I would highly recommend bf'ing for a short while, since the colostrum that's produced for the first few days after pregnancy is the most beneficial (really high in vitamins, minerals, and antibodies), even if you decide to switch to formula soon after.

But bear in mind that I'm totally talking out my ass. While I've done a lot of reading about caring for kiddos, obviously I've never been pregnant and had to deal with all the stuff that goes along with it. Do whatever is most comfortable to you, I just recommend the colostrum thing due to research I've done on breastfeeding. *shrugs*