Sarah Palin:, "our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God" Options

[Billy]

@Video time 3:50 -

Sarah Palin on the war in Iraq:

“pray for our military men and women, who are striving for what is right for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God, that’s what we have to make sure we’re praying for. There is a plan, and that plan is God’s plan.”

Source: UTube

[impala454]

Yeah? People who believe in God usually also believe he has a plan for each of us. What's wrong with that? Don't even try to twist this into a "God told us to attack so-in-so" because that's not what she said or meant.

[Seeker]

Yeah? People who believe in God usually also believe he has a plan for each of us. What's wrong with that? Don't even try to twist this into a "God told us to attack so-in-so" because that's not what she said or meant.

haha, yeah it is

[impala454]

haha, no it's not

[Epic]

"sending them out on a task that is from God"

so...the war...a task from God.

hmmmm, seems like she believes that this war is a task from God

[Spectatrix]

Billy, I was under the impression that you were a McCain supporter. Has his choice of Palin as VP changed your views?

[woody]

haha, no it's not

pray for our military men and women, who are striving for what is right for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God

not only is it a task from God, but God somehow told our leaders to send them...

[Mommy]

if she believes in fate, then what happened is in accordance with God's will.

Unrelated to my first sentence, I don't really see anything wrong with what she said. To be honest with you, Saddam needed to be taken out of power sooner or later. Bush just did an awful job at convincing the American people that he was a threat. Yes, sadly many people lost their life over there. The situation is getting immensely better over there now though. Also, I find it completely ironic that Obama wants to pull us out of there, yet he himself has never served in the military, and he has no children serving in the military. Cheney was a prisoner of war. Palin's son will be leaving for Iraq soon. Seems like Palin would want to believe that it was in God's will for this war to happen because her son will be there soon.

I didn't agree with the war at first either. Then, I had no opinion on it for a while. I guess I kinda started to change my opinion about a year ago when I realized "hey, better now then later." I figure the more time we give terrorist organizations time to group and plot, the worse off we are. Al Qaeda had a strong presence over there until recently.

[Psykopath]

if she believes in fate, then what happened is in accordance with God's will.

Unrelated to my first sentence, I don't really see anything wrong with what she said. To be honest with you, Saddam needed to be taken out of power sooner or later. Bush just did an awful job at convincing the American people that he was a threat. Yes, sadly many people lost their life over there. The situation is getting immensely better over there now though. Also, I find it completely ironic that Obama wants to pull us out of there, yet he himself has never served in the military, and he has no children serving in the military. Cheney was a prisoner of war. Palin's son will be leaving for Iraq soon. Seems like Palin would want to believe that it was in God's will for this war to happen because her son will be there soon.

ummmm

...Well, McCain is just about as old and decrepit!

[Mommy]

ummmm

...Well, McCain is just about as old and decrepit!

what does that have to do with what I said?

Did you know that McCain can't lift one of his arms over his head because of a permanent injury he sustained from the torture he endured during captivity?

whoah... too many prepositional phrases. Oh well.

[Psykopath]

what does that have to do with what I said?

Did you know that McCain can't lift one of his arms over his head because of a permanent injury he sustained from the torture he endured during captivity?

whoah... too many prepositional phrases. Oh well.

Cheney was a prisoner of war.

Just making a little fun at you for typing that.

[Mommy]

His mother is 96 years old. The way I see it is anyone whose mother is still alive is young enough to be President. That woman looks fantastic for her age. And I just realized that I wrote Cheney instead of McCain. Where the hell is my brain?

[Billy]

Billy, I was under the impression that you were a McCain supporter. Has his choice of Palin as VP changed your views?

I cannot, with any sense of morality and what is right, support the empowering of a religious nut.

[woody]

if she believes in fate, then what happened is in accordance with God's will.

Unrelated to my first sentence, I don't really see anything wrong with what she said. To be honest with you, Saddam needed to be taken out of power sooner or later. Bush just did an awful job at convincing the American people that he was a threat. Yes, sadly many people lost their life over there. The situation is getting immensely better over there now though. Also, has never served in the military, and he has no children I find it completely ironic that Obama wants to pull us out of there, yet he himself serving in the military. Cheney was a prisoner of war. Palin's son will be leaving for Iraq soon. Seems like Palin would want to believe that it was in God's will for this war to happen because her son will be there soon.

I didn't agree with the war at first either. Then, I had no opinion on it for a while. I guess I kinda started to change my opinion about a year ago when I realized "hey, better now then later." I figure the more time we give terrorist organizations time to group and plot, the worse off we are. Al Qaeda had a strong presence over there until recently.

wouldn't that make every act of agression/war god's will? thus, defeating the purpose of saying it?

what does not being in the military have to do with pulling troops out?

• be a natural born citizen of the United States;
• be at least thirty-five years old;
• have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

'Terrorist' organizations have been acting out for a long time. The US is just new to it. Look at the 1920 wall street bombing, the KKK, unibomber, OKC bombing, etc. Not all terrorists form from the mid east. We just care about the 1 group in the mid east. And we care less about them then we do Iraq at this moment.

This post has been edited by woody: Sep 5 2008, 05:44 PM

[pysex]

sometimes it's hard to believe there's a higher power higher than yourself huh?


guess that makes people nutty not wanting to put themself first

[Billy]

sometimes it's hard to believe there's a higher power higher than yourself huh?


guess that makes people nutty not wanting to put themself first

I have no problem with believing in a god. I do have a problem with people who claim they know what this god wants. Because last I checked, a divine being has yet to visit me and tell me he wants me to invade another country. I am highly skeptical of those who claim they've had a different experience.

I agree with the war. But I call bullshit on anyone who thinks this war is divinely inspired.

[chook]

I could see a just argument but not a divine argument.

[impala454]

I agree with the war. But I call bullshit on anyone who thinks this war is divinely inspired.

Then vote for Obama based on some one-liners you don't understand or take out of context.

Oh wait, I forgot, Obama is divinely inspired too! So who ya gonna vote for now?

[FORSAKENR320]

Then vote for Obama based on some one-liners you don't understand or take out of context.

Oh wait, I forgot, Obama is divinely inspired too! So who ya gonna vote for now?

in billy's defense i would like to state that i personly would prefer to vote for neither of them.... seriously, it's like picking the lesser of 2 retards

[Oasis]

One 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency? Seriously?

I'd still fuck her though. Her and her two probably underage daughters.

[impala454]

I didn't realize 16 year old Sarah Palin came Back to the Future and was running for VP

[Oasis]

I didn't realize 16 year old Sarah Palin came Back to the Future and was running for VP

I don't care if that picture is dated. She's still too attractive to have a functional brain

[The Fanatic]

OMG


Sarah Palin and I share the same birthday!

[impala454]

I don't care if that picture is dated. She's still too attractive to have a functional brain

mmk

[The Fanatic]

I'd tap that

[impala454]

she'll definitely be the first VPILF ever

[The Fanatic]

I now believe it's impossible for Obama to win the presidency.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

I'd fuck her husband and son.

[pysex]

I have no problem with believing in a god. I do have a problem with people who claim they know what this god wants. Because last I checked, a divine being has yet to visit me and tell me he wants me to invade another country. I am highly skeptical of those who claim they've had a different experience.

I agree with the war. But I call bullshit on anyone who thinks this war is divinely inspired.

For some reason I always thought you were an atheist.

[impala454]

He doesn't understand what was said, and that's fine, just let him formulate his own scenario of what her statement meant. If he thinks she is saying that God literally visited our leaders and told them to invade another country, he's free to believe that, albeit preposterous.

[Billy]

He doesn't understand what was said, and that's fine, just let him formulate his own scenario of what her statement meant. If he thinks she is saying that God literally visited our leaders and told them to invade another country, he's free to believe that, albeit preposterous.

Unfortunately, that defense isn't going to work. See Blue's (Epic) post.


EDIT: And it actually baffles me that you're even trying this approach (spinning what she said). Jesus H Christ are you retarded.

[Billy]

Oh wait, I forgot, Obama is divinely inspired too! So who ya gonna vote for now?

However, this approach will work. Thank you for posting this link.

[Dogmeat]

All I know is, Palin is fucking wonderful, and all you idiot cum sucking hippie fag fuckers who are going to vote for Obama are fucking morons and should die.

[Spectatrix]

For some reason I always thought you were an atheist.

Not all atheists hate theists.

[chook]

I'd fuck her husband and son.

Go do the Brawny Man!

[impala454]

Unfortunately, that defense isn't going to work. See Blue's (Epic) post.


EDIT: And it actually baffles me that you're even trying this approach (spinning what she said). Jesus H Christ are you retarded.

Hmm ok "you're retarded." what a great retort

[impala454]

Not all atheists hate theists.

Not all Nazis hate Jews either

[Spectatrix]

Dude, wtf, seriously? I'm an atheist. I don't hate Christians. I do hate some things that some Christians do, but I don't hate Christians. But, while I'm aware that a politician's personal/religious beliefs are going to shape their views and the legislation they strive for, I'm not going to vote for a politician who thinks their every religious whim is legislatible.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Sep 8 2008, 08:04 AM

[Billy]

Hmm ok "you're retarded." what a great retort

Uhhhhh.... you DO realize that the first line was the actual retort??

Again, Jesus H Christ are you retarded.

[Mommy]

Dude, wtf, seriously? I'm an atheist. I don't hate Christians. I do hate some things that some Christians do, but I don't hate Christians. But, while I'm aware that a politican's personal/religious beliefs are going to shape their views and the legislation they strive for, I'm not going to vote for a politician who thinks their every religious whim is legislatible.

You spelled something wrong... just thought I would let you know since you always correct me. Fix "politician's"

Anyway, this all reminds me of a comedy routine by Dane Cook. He is Catholic and he had an encounter with an atheist. Kinda long to explain but the the atheist was basically laughing at him for having faith. That's how most atheists are.

[Psykopath]

You spelled something wrong... just thought I would let you know since you always correct me. Fix "politician's"

Anyway, this all reminds me of a comedy routine by Dane Cook. He is Catholic and he had an encounter with an atheist. Kinda long to explain but the the atheist was basically laughing at him for having faith. That's how most atheists are.

...Pulling a "Cathryn," are we?

[impala454]

Dude, wtf, seriously? I'm an atheist. I don't hate Christians. I do hate some things that some Christians do, but I don't hate Christians. But, while I'm aware that a politican's personal/religious beliefs are going to shape their views and the legislation they strive for, I'm not going to vote for a politician who thinks their every religious whim is legislatible.

I was joking (well... partially). I wasn't talking directly about you though. You're definitely more tolerant than most.

[impala454]

Uhhhhh.... you DO realize that the first line was the actual retort??

Again, Jesus H Christ are you retarded.

Read a post I already read and explained what the actual saying/intent was?

Ooooh and another "you're retarded", man you really strive for the low brow don't you? I don't even know why I bother with you.

[impala454]

...Pulling a "Cathryn," are we?

If you want to draw on the religious tolerance (or lack therof) of this board, her statement definitely holds for those of us on here.

[Psykopath]

If you want to draw on the religious tolerance (or lack therof) of this board, her statement definitely holds for those of us on here.

*sigh*
Can't even joke around about posts...


::EDIT::
Well, I'm not an Atheist so at least it doesn't apply to me. =)

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Sep 7 2008, 09:43 PM

[FORSAKENR320]

*sigh*
Can't even joke around about posts...


::EDIT::
Well, I'm not an Atheist so at least it doesn't apply to me. =)

YOU'RE STILL A JEW HATING FAG LOVER


love you

[Mommy]

Atheists... I seriously don't know how a Christian and an atheist can be friends. I mean, the differences are just too vast.

[Psykopath]

Atheists... I seriously don't know how a Christian and an atheist can be friends. I mean, the differences are just too vast.

Don't talk about religion (or just have reasonable discussions about it)...then BINGO, the friendship works.

[Mommy]

Don't talk about religion (or just have reasonable discussions about it)...then BINGO, the friendship works.

I know, but each side is usually snooty about their beliefs (or lack thereof).

[The Fanatic]

Rifuckingdiculous


Using similar logic


I don't know how an Asian and a black person could be friends... the differences are just too vast!!



Although, i'm pretty sure that it says somewhere in the bible that Christians are not supposed to befriend nonbelievers but I could be wrong. (note I did not say witness)

Also, i'm Agnostic and I have several Christian friends

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Sep 7 2008, 10:31 PM

[Mommy]

The true atheists that I have met that study the idea that God does not exist are like "Pfft... hahah. How can you believe something so ridiculous?" Christians who are true Bible studying people are like "Pfft... Well, I sure hope you are right otherwise you'll spend an eternity in hell."

If you don't know that the other person is a Christian/atheist than all is well, but the second you find out either 1) you will compromise your beliefs or 2) your friendship will start to fade.

Agnosticism is different than being an atheist.

Additionally, I'm talking about people who practice the religion or philosophy, not people who just claim to be of a certain belief.

Finally, your analogy is flawed in that you don't chose to be Asian or black. That is out of your control. Presumably, according to what most believe, people can chose whether or not to believe in God.

[impala454]

Don't talk about religion (or just have reasonable discussions about it)...then BINGO, the friendship works.

haha

believe it or not several of my closest friends are staunch democrats. we just don't sit around shooting the bull about politics all the damn time

[The Fanatic]

I just think it's ridiculous for an atheist to be zealous about his or her lack of belief.

And yes thank you I obviously realize the difference between Atheism and Agnosticism ... just pointing out that differences between them and Christians are still quite marked and that according to your logic christians and agnostics could not befriend one another because of the hell issue.

The analogy is not flawed because regardless of the differences be they religious, political, economic, racial, etc. people can overcome those boundaries. In fact, I would rather befriend people that are different then me in one or more ways so that I could gain different perspectives. People can choose their religion but most don't. The whole concept of free will is bullshit because most people are not given any real choices. They are born into a religion and follow that religion. Most in fact choose Jesus as their savior before they are even capable of making an informed decision. Of course, this is not true of every person (I am living proof of this having been born into the Church Of Christ).

And if all else fails those friends could just choose not to talk about their differences as impala and zach pointed out.

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Sep 7 2008, 10:54 PM

[Mommy]

Well, call me closed minded but I know I could never be friends with someone who is openly a mormon or scientologist.

[The Fanatic]

Why?

[impala454]

I personally don't find anything wrong with people who don't believe in God. They can believe what they want. Though if I feel a good friend of mine may need to try it out then I might casually invite them to church or something (which I've slacked off on for a while but bleh). It's the ones who spend their time lashing out at religious people and trying desperately to disprove their beliefs that bother me. I just don't really understand the point.

[The Fanatic]

I personally don't find anything wrong with people who don't believe in God. They can believe what they want. Though if I feel a good friend of mine may need to try it out then I might casually invite them to church or something (which I've slacked off on for a while but bleh). It's the ones who spend their time lashing out at religious people and trying desperately to disprove their beliefs that bother me. I just don't really understand the point.

Yeah exactly... At least Christians have a grounded theological motivation for converting non believers.

[Mommy]

Why?

I'm sure there are normal ones out there but all the ones I have met are fucking nut bats.


I can be friends with a non-Christian because I am not a practicing Christian.

[impala454]

Well, call me closed minded but I know I could never be friends with someone who is openly a mormon or scientologist.

You're closed minded. I don't know about scientologists, as I've never known one, but one of my better friends in college was mormon. He was an awesome person and perhaps one of the more popular RAs I worked with. Just because your experience with them is some kids on bikes in suits waking you up after some wasted Friday night doesn't mean they're all terrible people.

Blue if you're reading this, you remember Larry G. right?

[impala454]

I can be friends with a non-Christian because I am not a practicing Christian.

So are you saying a practicing Christian cannot have non-Christian friends???

[The Fanatic]

The real question:


Is a non practicing Christian a Christian at all?

[impala454]

I think when she said that, she meant she believes it but she doesn't go to church or pray or blah blah etc etc.

[pysex]

You're closed minded. I don't know about scientologists, as I've never known one, but one of my better friends in college was mormon. He was an awesome person and perhaps one of the more popular RAs I worked with. Just because your experience with them is some kids on bikes in suits waking you up after some wasted Friday night doesn't mean they're all terrible people.

Blue if you're reading this, you remember Larry G. right?

was he the RA for 3rd short in clement one year?

if so he was my RA...mormon dude....pretty cool guy

[impala454]

yeap that's him.

[chook]

You spelled something wrong... just thought I would let you know since you always correct me. Fix "politician's"

Anyway, this all reminds me of a comedy routine by Dane Cook. He is Catholic and he had an encounter with an atheist. Kinda long to explain but the the atheist was basically laughing at him for having faith. That's how most atheists are.

I think it was Vicious Circle? My complaint against some atheist I meet treat me belief as something ignorant. I sometimes retort that they are to egotistical that they cannot comprehend something can exist greater than themselves. If someone has personal conviction that there is no higher being, then I can just feel sorry for them and be their friend.

I remember Christine was doing some more pagan practices a while back.

[The Fanatic]

I think when she said that, she meant she believes it but she doesn't go to church or pray or blah blah etc etc.

Yeah but if praying builds your relationship with God and you don't pray. Do you even have a relationship with God?

[pysex]

yeap that's him.

i don't know if you remember the infamous sphinx, but one time we had organized a room party and began smuggling boozahols in various colored trashbags into the dorms....

larry caught us when he stepped out (i guess to go to the bathroom) and just looked at us with a long pause....and then said "oh hey alex what's up"

then went on his way


we stood there frozen in complete disbelief

[impala454]

Yeah but if praying builds your relationship with God and you don't pray. Do you even have a relationship with God?

Believing in God and that Jesus is his son is what makes you a Christian. Everything else is just denominational.

[The Fanatic]

Define belief?

I thought it was acceptance, faith, and a relationship with jesus christ.


I could believe that Jesus existed but that does not mean I accept him as my savior.

If a Christian does not practice his faith does he even have faith in the first place?

[impala454]

i don't know if you remember the infamous sphinx, but one time we had organized a room party and began smuggling boozahols in various colored trashbags into the dorms....

larry caught us when he stepped out (i guess to go to the bathroom) and just looked at us with a long pause....and then said "oh hey alex what's up"

then went on his way


we stood there frozen in complete disbelief

My residents all thought they got away with so much shit... was just fielder's indifference

I recall james (forgot what it was everyone called him) and billy and loovis and the other 2-3 people in that little circle all came to me at the end of the year and tried to brag about the stuff they'd gotten away with... I'd cut them off in the middle of each story with "... the time you brought a keg up?" "... the XXth time you smoked in your room?" and they instantly realized just how lax I was

The only guy I really ever wrote up all the time was that dipshit hick down the long hall that always had like 10 open bottles of beer sitting on his desk with his door wide open.

[impala454]

Define belief?

I thought it was acceptance, faith, and a relationship with jesus christ.


I could believe that Jesus existed but that does not mean I accept him as my savior.

If a Christian does not practice his faith does he even have faith in the first place?

Belief is exactly what I said, you believe that Jesus is the son of God (not just that he existed, pretty much everybody believes he existed) and he died for your sins (a.k.a. accepting him as your savior). That's it, there's nothing more to it. you can go murder 5 year olds the rest of your life and you're still going to heaven. but if you've really accepted the belief, murdering 5 year olds won't exactly be in your repetoire.

[Billy]

Read a post I already read and explained what the actual saying/intent was?

There's a difference between explaining what someone said, and spinning what someone said.

Even though you don't seem to understand that difference.

[impala454]

Let me backtrack since you're become completely lost as to what you're even responding to.

1. you think Sarah Palin's comment means she thinks God came down and told our leaders to invade Iraq. So you make this thread, thinking you've hit some monumental point that should change the face of the election.
2. I respond and explain why I don't believe that's what she said or meant. I have in effect already said what I believe in this post
3. you continue to embellish what you think, over the top and obviously not what Palin said "divine beings visiting and telling you to invade a country".
4. I comment that you simply don't understand what she meant (most likely you're not religious and don't undersand how religious people speak, nothing wrong with that)
5. you refer me to blue's post and call me retarded (blue's post doesn't say anything except repeating the OP and your thoughts, which I have already responded to twice.
6. I call you out for your retarded comment
7. you seemed to think your reference to blue's post was something new
8. I let you know I had already read his post and said my piece
9. now, your most recent post, has nothing to do with anything and basically takes us back to #1. I don't care to repeat the cycle. So you go on believing that Sarah Palin believes our leaders were physically visited by God (in some White House meeting no doubt) and that he told them they should invade Iraq. Because it was just totally coincidental that Saddam Hussein decided to defy UN regulations and allow weapons inspectors in for the five years previous.

I would love to continue to debate the topic if you found some new angle to view her statement at. Rehashing the same shit over and over gets boring.

[Billy]

Let me backtrack since you're become completely lost as to what you're even responding to.

1. you think Sarah Palin's comment means she thinks God came down and told our leaders to invade Iraq. So you make this thread, thinking you've hit some monumental point that should change the face of the election.
2. I respond and explain why I don't believe that's what she said or meant. I have in effect already said what I believe in this post
3. you continue to embellish what you think, over the top and obviously not what Palin said "divine beings visiting and telling you to invade a country".
4. I comment that you simply don't understand what she meant (most likely you're not religious and don't undersand how religious people speak, nothing wrong with that)
5. you refer me to blue's post and call me retarded (blue's post doesn't say anything except repeating the OP and your thoughts, which I have already responded to twice.
6. I call you out for your retarded comment
7. you seemed to think your reference to blue's post was something new
8. I let you know I had already read his post and said my piece
9. now, your most recent post, has nothing to do with anything and basically takes us back to #1. I don't care to repeat the cycle. So you go on believing that Sarah Palin believes our leaders were physically visited by God (in some White House meeting no doubt) and that he told them they should invade Iraq. Because it was just totally coincidental that Saddam Hussein decided to defy UN regulations and allow weapons inspectors in for the five years previous.

I would love to continue to debate the topic if you found some new angle to view her statement at. Rehashing the same shit over and over gets boring.

#5: In case you missed it, I am the original poster.

I now see the problem: You have made a whole lot of assumptions, of which are wrong. Your very first assumption is that you think, that I think, she thinks, that God came down, yadda yadda yadda. Personally, I don't care what she thinks. My beef with her is not what she thinks. My beef with her is what she said. Using religion to justify the acts of man is down right insulting. And you can try to spin it however you want (which isn't working on anyone but yourself), but she did in fact, 100%, use God to justify the actions of our leaders. Whether those actions are right or wrong is irrelevant. If she actually believes the things she has said, now that is just crazy. And I honestly feel that our government has enough crazies.

Also, I do hope you realize the irony of #9. Talking about Saddam Hussein's weapons has absolutely nothing to do with Sarah Palin's quote. This is not a topic about the war in Iraq. This has little to do with the war in Iraq. This is about Sarah Palin's character. Sigh. Idiot.

[impala454]

#5: In case you missed it, I am the original poster.

Where in #5 did I say or even imply that you're not the OP? OP = original post not original poster

I now see the problem: You have made a whole lot of assumptions, of which are wrong. Your very first assumption is that you think, that I think, she thinks, that God came down, yadda yadda yadda.

I didn't assume anything, I read it directly from your post:

Because last I checked, a divine being has yet to visit me and tell me he wants me to invade another country. I am highly skeptical of those who claim they've had a different experience.

Personally, I don't care what she thinks.

You don't? :

I cannot, with any sense of morality and what is right, support the empowering of a religious nut.

Sounds to me like you care a great deal. And if you didn't have a problem with what she thinks, only what she said, then why would you pin her as a religious nut?

My beef with her is not what she thinks. My beef with her is what she said. Using religion to justify the acts of man is down right insulting. And you can try to spin it however you want (which isn't working on anyone but yourself), but she did in fact, 100%, use God to justify the actions of our leaders. Whether those actions are right or wrong is irrelevant. If she actually believes the things she has said, now that is just crazy. And I honestly feel that our government has enough crazies.

But your beef is based on your misunderstanding of what she said.

Also, I do hope you realize the irony of #9. Talking about Saddam Hussein's weapons has absolutely nothing to do with Sarah Palin's quote. This is not a topic about the war in Iraq. This has little to do with the war in Iraq. This is about Sarah Palin's character.

1. How does saying something that (in your opinion) has absolutely nothing to do with the quote = irony? Or were you just looking for buzzwords to toss in to make yourself feel smarter?
2. It has everything to do with her quote because it's the reason we went there. Sarah Palin knows that and doesn't think it was due to a divine entity's visit. She believes it was the right thing to do and that it was God's will. But believing that an action is doing God's will doesn't mean or even imply that a divine visit is what pre-empted that action. See the difference?

Sigh. Idiot.

Oooh man what a great comeback! I hope your boy Obama uses that one when he debates (if he will ever accept a debate).

[woody]

But your beef is based on your misunderstanding of what she said.

he is literally translating something that was said by her...which he is misunderstanding

you've gotta admit though, that the shit obama was saying is pretty f'd up too.

"a light will shine down from somewhere, it will light upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will say to yourself, I have to vote for Barack"

So what's so f'd up by the quote above?

This post has been edited by woody: Sep 9 2008, 12:52 PM

[impala454]

he is literally translating something that was said by her...which he is misunderstanding

When talking about religion, literal meaning vs interpreted meaning is often the underlying problem. Which is why there are denominations where people literally take up serpents, or never cut their hair, etc. Because they're (IMHO) incorrectly, literally, interpreting what is being said. People who have little to no religious experience tend to take everything they read about religion literally, which it seem is the case with Billy.

So what's so f'd up by the quote above?

Well what I find f'd up about it is that he's almost portraying himself as a divine entity, or at least that some divine entity is going to sway you to vote for him.

Do you not find that clip f'd up? In the least it's highly unusual.

[Billy]

Now I see where you got your assumption that I think she claimed a god came down to our leaders, etc:

I have no problem with believing in a god. I do have a problem with people who claim they know what this god wants. Because last I checked, a divine being has yet to visit me and tell me he wants me to invade another country. I am highly skeptical of those who claim they've had a different experience.

I agree with the war. But I call bullshit on anyone who thinks this war is divinely inspired.

It takes two seconds to read the previous post. This was a response to something. Feel free to read the thread. I never claimed Palin believed god visited her and told her to invade Iraq.

The important part of my quote is this: "I do have a problem with people who claim they know what this god wants." This is what Palin is claiming. She is claiming she knows what god wants, and god wants the war in Iraq. You can disagree. And that's fine. But good luck convincing anyone who has a decent command of the English language that this is not what she's saying.

The second part, about a divine being is satire. Obviously, no one in politics is going to claim God visited them and told them what to do. And Palin didn't claim that either. And I'm not saying she did. But she is playing the God card. And that's ridiculous.

I did not misunderstand what Palin said. I fully understand using "god" to motivate people. I also disagree with such a tactic. And as such, I will not be voting for her party. End of story.

[impala454]

Again, simply your lack of religious knowledge. She thinks it was God's will that we are over there taking care of business. That's not "playing the God card" (more on that below*). It's what she really thinks. Whether it's true or not is irrelevant, but I would guess a fair number of Christians would agree with her. Wars have been God's will many times before, as said in the Bible, so it's not that much of a stretch.

* "________ is playing the _____ card" is getting old. I honestly don't see Obama "playing the race card". I don't see McCain "playing the veteran card." Just as I don't see Palin "playing the God card" with this statement. Maybe Obama relates more easily with black people. McCain is essentially a POW hero, so he draws on that. And Palin is a Christian and any Christian would say something like she said.

I'm done re-hashing this thread over and over. It's a stupid statement to dwell on or bring up as something significant.

[Billy]

Again, simply your lack of religious knowledge. She thinks it was God's will that we are over there taking care of business.

Ugh.....

*facepalm*

[Mommy]

I don't think he understands the difference between God's will and what God wants for our lives.

[Spectatrix]

Impala, doesn't the phrase "X is God's will" imply that the person knows, somehow, what God does or doesn't want? Granted, it's no different than what most other religious people say, but it's a bit presumptuous nonetheless, don't you think?

[impala454]

Well like I said with Billy, it's hard to explain to someone if they're not very experienced with Christianity. When someone says they think "X is God's will" it's not necessarily implying that they know God's will. Nobody knows. It's simply a feeling. But yes, I can see where a religious layperson would find a statement like that presumptuous. It is trying to find God's will for your life that is one of the main ideas in Christianity and I'm certain other similar religions.

[pysex]

As was taught to me...


Whatever happens is a part of God's plan. And what God has planned is God's will.

Impala is right though. You hear this A LOT especially in the Catholic church. It's religious speak.

That kind of stuff leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is why I'm currently at war with my faith. I don't consider myself agnostic or atheist but I have a lot of issues with organized religion.

[woody]

Well like I said with Billy, it's hard to explain to someone if they're not very experienced with Christianity. When someone says they think "X is God's will" it's not necessarily implying that they know God's will. Nobody knows. It's simply a feeling. But yes, I can see where a religious layperson would find a statement like that presumptuous. It is trying to find God's will for your life that is one of the main ideas in Christianity and I'm certain other similar religions.

which is why 'religious' talk doesn't belong in politics

[impala454]

In your opinion. You're not voting for an automaton with no moral stances or personal opinions. You're voting for a real live person, and their views on everything are important to someone. I don't think homo talk belongs in politics. But I understand that it's an issue for some and worth discussing to them.

[Oasis]

As was taught to me...

Whatever happens is a part of God's plan. And what God has planned is God's will.

I love this statement. I have yet to receive a valid explanation on why certain events are allegedly part of God's plan.

Example: My best friend from grade school died when he was 19. Melanoma. One always questions why such a tragic event could happen and the reasoning given was it's all part of God's "plan." Really? Strike a nineteen year old kid down who never drank or smoked and just got a full athletic and academic ride to play D-1 college baseball? Either the concept of God having a plan is complete bullshit, or your God happens to be a fucking asshole. Which is it?

God doesn't have a plan. People do. Politicians, extremists, nutjobs, special interest groups, etc. They just use God as a justification for carrying out their plan.

[impala454]

Sometimes it's hard to understand. IMHO God is like a star QB. Everyone's favorite when things are going well, most hated person on campus when things bad.

[Oasis]

Sometimes it's hard to understand. IMHO God is like a star QB. Everyone's favorite when things are going well, most hated person on campus when things bad.

No, it's easy to understand. God is either a more despicable being than Adolph Hitler, or the idea that God has a plan is a farce.

[impala454]

It's so easy to understand, that you don't.

[Psykopath]

http://www.yahoo.com/s/951820

Palin trying to clarify her views.

[Billy]

It's so easy to understand, that you don't.

You sound a lot like a scientologist: "If you aren't one of us, you can't possibly understand!"

[The Fanatic]

No, it's easy to understand. God is either a more despicable being than Adolph Hitler, or the idea that God has a plan is a farce.

Well he did blow up a couple of cities in the old testament...

[impala454]

http://www.yahoo.com/s/951820

Palin trying to clarify her views.

yeah Charlie Gibson was just interviewing her, very good so far. damn local news cut it off though to go back to this monotonous damn hurricane coverage.

[impala454]

You sound a lot like a scientologist: "If you aren't one of us, you can't possibly understand!"

I didn't say you couldn't possibly understand.

[Inferia]

This lady completely puzzles me. After reading the first interview with her on the NYT, I just don't get what the McCain camp is thinking. I feel like there are so many contradictions with the way they're campaigning and the things that are coming out of their mouth.

...she acknowledged, she had not met any foreign leaders, though she said — in an apparent veiled reference to Mr. Biden — “We’ve got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual and somebody’s big fat résumé that maybe shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they’ve had opportunities to meet heads of state.”

Like Mr. Biden, or say... Mr. McCain. I know all this is nitpicky stuff, doesn't really reflect much on their policies or how McCain is going to run the country, but I'm still bothered. Palin's pick seems entirely puzzling, granted the VP's job is not to be the President, but to crap on Obama for being the "biggest celebrity in the world", McCain picked the next biggest celebrity in the world. To say that experience is important, then to pick someone who seeming lack much of the experience to be perhaps the future president also seems rather hypocritical. I mean out of all the people in the republican party, this pick just seems like a total disrespect to the American people.

[woody]

after seeing her interview on TV last night, the VP debates will be interesting

[impala454]

This lady completely puzzles me. After reading the first interview with her on the NYT, I just don't get what the McCain camp is thinking. I feel like there are so many contradictions with the way they're campaigning and the things that are coming out of their mouth.

Like Mr. Biden, or say... Mr. McCain. I know all this is nitpicky stuff, doesn't really reflect much on their policies or how McCain is going to run the country, but I'm still bothered. Palin's pick seems entirely puzzling, granted the VP's job is not to be the President, but to crap on Obama for being the "biggest celebrity in the world", McCain picked the next biggest celebrity in the world. To say that experience is important, then to pick someone who seeming lack much of the experience to be perhaps the future president also seems rather hypocritical. I mean out of all the people in the republican party, this pick just seems like a total disrespect to the American people.

He picked Palin because she has executive experience, but does not have Washington experience. A lot of people find that attractive. As far as her being the "second biggest celebrity in the world", that's laughable. Palin didn't go parading all over the world and making speeches about how crappy our country is.

[impala454]

after seeing her interview on TV last night, the VP debates will be interesting

Definitely... she seems to eat these journalists for breakfast when they try to get her to say something wrong.

[woody]

ya, she looked like she ate up gibson when gibson asked her about the bush doctrine. this wasn't even him trying to get her to say something wrong, she just made herself look like an idiot