 Let's argue taser guns again!!!!!!! |
| Let's argue taser guns again!!!!!!! |
 Jul 25 2008, 11:58 AM
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Jul 25 2008, 12:22 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
So the kid was laying there on the shoulder of the road... with a broken back... and they tazed him because he was making incoherent statements and threats?
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Jul 25 2008, 01:23 PM
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Group: Moderators Posts: 1,591 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 31 |
sure sounds that way. makes no sense.
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Jul 25 2008, 04:32 PM
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 Oh baby bring me down  Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
The fact he was saying "shoot cops" and "Kill Cops" would make me want to use a tazer. Then again its easy to say how bad the cops are and how innocent the kid is without being in their shoes.
Cmac go join the police and use nonviolent methods on a beat in Aurora. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Jul 25 2008, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (chook @ Jul 25 2008, 05:32 PM)  The fact he was saying "shoot cops" and "Kill Cops" would make me want to use a tazer. Then again its easy to say how bad the cops are and how innocent the kid is without being in their shoes. Cmac go join the police and use nonviolent methods on a beat in Aurora. Yeah, cause an unarmed kid with a broken back is such a big threat that he needs tazed 19 times for making comments. Those cops must be some big pussies or either they tortured puppies as kids. |
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Jul 25 2008, 05:39 PM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (Watchman @ Jul 25 2008, 05:43 PM) Yeah, cause an unarmed kid with a broken back is such a big threat that he needs tazed 19 times for making comments. Those cops must be some big pussies or either they tortured puppies as kids. well, they sure taught him! -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Jul 26 2008, 10:52 AM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
The story and video still don't explain much. It sounds like the cops found the kid laying on the side of the road and were trying to get him out of the way of traffic and he was resisting them. I could see how they'd be a little extra apprehensive and defensive if he was threatening to kill them. I wonder what was wrong w/the kid... he broke off his heel that tells me it was fairly obvious he jumped... and if he lived from the jump and had people there trying to help, why would the first words out of his mouth be about killing cops? Not justifying the tasering but there seems to be a lot of information missing about what happened.
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Jul 26 2008, 03:25 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
You're right that there's a lot of information missing. I just wonder how much of a threat a kid with a broken back could even *appear* to pose. I mean, it's not like he'd be able to move much....
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Jul 26 2008, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 26 2008, 04:25 PM) You're right that there's a lot of information missing. I just wonder how much of a threat a kid with a broken back could even *appear* to pose. I mean, it's not like he'd be able to move much.... Is it possible to tell if someone has a broken back from a safe distance? --------------------  QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Jul 26 2008, 03:56 PM
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 Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
If the guy fell from the bridge and they were trying to move him, I'd scream and shit too. You don't move a fall victim at all unless your a trained professional, and most cops aren't in that shit.
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Jul 26 2008, 04:02 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (Forum Warrior @ Jul 26 2008, 04:28 PM) Is it possible to tell if someone has a broken back from a safe distance? No, I don't think so. What I mean, though, is someone with a broken back isn't able to move much, so I have a hard time imagining how he could have appeared threatening. -------------------- |
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Jul 26 2008, 05:21 PM
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N 0 t h i n g Group: Members Posts: 1,449 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 54 |
QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 26 2008, 04:56 PM) If the guy fell from the bridge and they were trying to move him, I'd scream and shit too. You don't move a fall victim at all unless your a trained professional, and most cops aren't in that shit. Ah, I didn't realize they were trying to move him. -------------------- QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Jul 26 2008, 06:48 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 26 2008, 04:56 PM) If the guy fell from the bridge and they were trying to move him, I'd scream and shit too. But would you scream about killing and shooting cops? QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 26 2008, 04:56 PM) You don't move a fall victim at all unless your a trained professional, and most cops aren't in that shit. I'm not sure they knew he fell, according to the very limited info, they just saw him laying on the ground and stopped to see what was up. |
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Jul 26 2008, 07:47 PM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
the dashboard video probably would tell all, but is probably unavailable pending a case.
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Jul 26 2008, 08:25 PM
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 New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
I think tasers are overused, but they are good alternatives to using deadly force. Sure doesn't seem like deadly force was needed here.
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Jul 26 2008, 09:17 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
QUOTE (Mommy @ Jul 26 2008, 09:25 PM) I think tasers are overused, but they are good alternatives to using deadly force. Sure doesn't seem like deadly force was needed here. How can there be an alternative to something that is a last resort? If there's an alternative, then it's not a last resort, now is it. And (this part's not directed at Jessica) I'm pretty sure cops are, in fact, trained in first aid. I mean, come on, they're usually the first to arrive at a scene. That statement about them not being trained is just silly. Ok, I just looked up TxDPS and "advanced first aid" was in the training description, which is logical. One can safely assume the same training is provided in all academies. -------------------- Spam? Isn't that something poor people eat?
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Jul 27 2008, 06:56 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
I always figured the taser was a means of detaining suspects who are a physical threat to themselves or others. Cops are using it as an alternative to pepper spray, though... which is more of a way of calming an unruly person to cuff them (or calming one who is already in cuffs) than it is capturing one. I don't know. That's just my thoughts. Yeah, guns are still necessary, but tasers can be an alternative at times.
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Jul 27 2008, 10:31 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
This bitching about tasering is getting annoying... so there have been some misunderstandings resulting in some people getting tasered that maybe shouldn't have. I still haven't seen a case where someone was tasered who completely complied with the cops. Also how about the number of people who are still alive because of them??? How about going back to just guns and havings people get killed over misunderstandings? Or cops getting killed because they didn't want to shoot the person? What's next? Water balloons? Then the criminals will complain their clothes got wet and the cops were cruel.
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Jul 28 2008, 01:14 AM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:31 PM) This bitching about tasering is getting annoying... so there have been some misunderstandings resulting in some people getting tasered that maybe shouldn't have. I still haven't seen a case where someone was tasered who completely complied with the cops. Also how about the number of people who are still alive because of them??? How about going back to just guns and havings people get killed over misunderstandings? Or cops getting killed because they didn't want to shoot the person? What's next? Water balloons? Then the criminals will complain their clothes got wet and the cops were cruel. Are the water balloons full of acid or blood? If so, make it so. -------------------- |
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Jul 28 2008, 02:07 AM
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Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
QUOTE (Jim @ Jul 28 2008, 01:14 AM) Are the water balloons full of acid or blood? If so, make it so. that would ruin the old water baloon toss!
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Jul 28 2008, 02:19 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
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Jul 28 2008, 03:28 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
QUOTE But a coroner's report found Pikes had been handcuffed and on the ground when first hit with the Taser and might have been dead before the last two shocks from the 50,000-volt device were delivered. QUOTE "This fellow was talking in the back seat of the car prior to shot number seven," Williams said. Makes no sense. -------------------- Spam? Isn't that something poor people eat?
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Jul 28 2008, 03:32 PM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
The guy looked like a menace to society... not because he is black, but because of the way he is dressed and such.
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