...and we're about to put an asshole in the presidency who wants to cut back NASA.... Options

[Dogmeat]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/30/cia.direc...nges/index.html

Hayden said the world's population is expected to grow by 45 percent to 9 billion people by midcentury, mostly in countries that cannot sustain such growth, such as Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Combine that with the likely mass migration to developed countries, and resources will be strained, leading to an increased risk of violence, civil unrest or extremism, he said.

I think that should be the sole purpose of humanity right now - The Space Program.

If we focused on that we'd develop all the technology we want and need ... recycling, alternative energy, etc ....

Sooner or later, we have to find a new planet, or the species will die ... It's pretty much a fact.

I dunno, I wish NASA had facilities engineers could work at in the rockies, maybe if I truly thought I wa doing something that would ultimatley benefit humanity, that would ACTUALLY benefit humanity at the coremost level we need it as opposed to a bunch of hippie tree hugger ideals, i'd be a more chipper person.

I dunno....I just read this article and it made me think about what a crock this election is going to be ... we _HAVE_ to have a space program.

[Seeker]

don't worry, nasa is a just a front... the true space program is a black project and we already have an underground base on mars

you honestly think the 50 year old shuttle is the best we can do? haha

[impala454]

I dunno about already having an underground base on mars, but I agree w/Lance for the most part. Whatever we see on the surface as far as military/space goes has proven in the past to be decades old. I'd love to see whatever they got under wraps at the moment.

[Hartmann]

I'd like to see space exploration in the U.S. moved to the private sector with top-secret stuff still controlled by the military. Just personal preference.

[impala454]

well i think the only reason there hasn't been more private sector space exploration is because there's no money in it yet. putting up satellites and stuff sure, but going to the moon or something requires way more money than some private sector would want to put in, for not a lot of return.

[Testm0nkey]

I think its a lot cheaper just working with aid and social service organizations to deal with social problems - overpopulation is one of them

ive also heard that countries like india have thought about starting programs limiting births like the Chinese have had for years

i also think thats a way more feasible idea than creating a home base in mars within the next 20 years

[Dogmeat]

I think its a lot cheaper just working with aid and social service organizations to deal with social problems - overpopulation is one of them

ive also heard that countries like india have thought about starting programs limiting births like the Chinese have had for years

i also think thats a way more feasible idea than creating a home base in mars within the next 20 years

Ah yes .... this post is a perfect illustration of the mentalities that are currently dooming the human race. Keep up the good work!

[Testm0nkey]

yeah international aid is suuuuuuuuuch a huge problem. its horrible really


/sarcasm

[Dogmeat]

yeah international aid is suuuuuuuuuch a huge problem. its horrible really
/sarcasm

The money would be better invested in technology to eliminate poverty as opposed to wealt redistribution to eliminate poverty.

[Testm0nkey]

since you are so well versed in the subject - what technology eliminates poverty? an out there space program? (im sure people in poverty will be able to get those jobs if thats what you are thinking...) and how has that worked out in real life versus social services and economic counseling?

ill help you out a bit - it doesnt

[impala454]

Newsflash: Poverty will never be eliminated.

[Testm0nkey]

newsflash : i think everyone knows that

but some people arent so totally lazy and useless to just let whatever happen happen. in anything you can still do something to help and should

[impala454]

Why? Why is it my obligation to help someone else because they're having a rough time? And how do we tell the "totally lazy and useless" from those that arent?

[Testm0nkey]

uh because its called not being a selfish half head. its part of humanity to want to and try to help others. its this countries backbone and is a value americans like to say they have. and because people generally expect empathy and aid when they are in need. but that doesnt just happen unless there are people out there willing to help.


hope you never get into an automobile accident and depend on a passerby that will give you aid or you experience a housefire and lose everything you own that insurance wont cover

[impala454]

There's a difference between being a good samaritan and handing money over to someone just because they're down on their luck.

[Dogmeat]

Cat has the typical greenie mind ... she can't see outside of a wet recycleable paper bag

[FORSAKENR320]

since you are so well versed in the subject - what technology eliminates poverty? an out there space program? (im sure people in poverty will be able to get those jobs if thats what you are thinking...) and how has that worked out in real life versus social services and economic counseling?

ill help you out a bit - it doesnt

::slaps forehead:: america was founded by people will little option other than to risk everything by going to an unknown "world." religious percecution, poverty, all of that factors into 1 thing:: a better option that your current circumstances. colonists are what will be needed.. and well off people will be less likely to wantt to risk it.

so, i'll help you out a bit:: it DOES

[FORSAKENR320]

uh because its called not being a selfish half head. its part of humanity to want to and try to help others. its this countries backbone and is a value americans like to say they have. and because people generally expect empathy and aid when they are in need. but that doesnt just happen unless there are people out there willing to help.
hope you never get into an automobile accident and depend on a passerby that will give you aid or you experience a housefire and lose everything you own that insurance wont cover

i think your entire problem is your concept of "humanity" humans are violent, selfish, greedy creatures. in all you years of human existance, how many years have humans had "peace?" we are constantly warring, stealing, taking from each other. that is what we ARE. what we pretend to be is behavior conditioned into us from birth by religion and society. it's "wrong" to kill because we have been told it's wrong. in a world without enforced consequences the truth of humanity comes out. look at every riot and crisis you have seen where the rules have been taken away, and you will see the true face of humanity.

[Testm0nkey]

are you an anarchist then?

[FORSAKENR320]

are you an anarchist then?

no, i beleive that rules are very important. without religion or laws, there would be no society. but i don't believe humans are good natured. i view humans as a dangerous animal, and that those laws and religion that we are taught are a leash to keep us from destroying ourselves.

[The Fanatic]

Cathryn and Brandon are both partially right. We are animals and as a result instinctively we are programmed to survive. Life is cruel, unfair, and unjust. Every creature must die in order for another to live. The real question is: how much stock is there in human nature? I believe there is more than Brandon and less than Cathryn is willing to admit. Laws, religion, social norms, and abstract symbols such as compassion community and justice need to be goals. There are plenty of crack addicts with 15 children that probably do not deserve aid and are misusing the system. But as a recipient of food stamps, CHIP, and eventually Medicaid; I can assure you that there are plenty of hard working single parent families out there that depend on these services. But why should you listen to me i'm just commie scum...



AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

no, i beleive that rules are very important. without religion or laws, there would be no society. but i don't believe humans are good natured. i view humans as a dangerous animal, and that those laws and religion that we are taught are a leash to keep us from destroying ourselves.

Brandon, why is society important?

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: May 2 2008, 01:13 AM

[FORSAKENR320]

Brandon, why is society important?

society is about equality. it gives people a chance to live without having to kill or steal from each other. it is an escape from our instincts. it can only realistically be pushed so far though. you can't climb to the moon with a step ladder. i believe cathryn and i's views of the perfect world would be similar, but our methods to get there are opposite. she would want there to be no guns, or cars to cause death or pollution. i would rather hand that person a gun, and be confident he would not use it for evil. she wishes to eliminate the tools, i would rather eliminate the criminal by fixing what would cause him to commit the crime in the first place. but until criminals are fixed, the decent people must protect themselves from the more human-instinct driven members of our society.