Brazil possibly discovers huge oil reserve Options

[impala454]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5699072.html

SAO PAULO, Brazil — A deep-water exploration area off Brazil's coast could contain as much as 33 billion barrels of oil, the head of Brazil's National Petroleum Agency said today. That would make it the world's third-largest known oil reserve.

Haroldo Lima cautioned that his information on the field off the coast of Rio de Janeiro is unofficial and needs to be confirmed.

Geez... I sure wish we were allowed to drill in Alaska and find us a huge reserve. Oh well at least we're saving the bunny rabbits and moose population

[Psykopath]

I'm all for drilling in Alaska now.

That's right, this "tree-hugging hippie" made a complete 180.

[impala454]

Yay, welcome aboard! Want me to get ya a "Dubya" sticker? hah jk

[Psykopath]

Yay, welcome aboard! Want me to get ya a "Dubya" sticker? hah jk

Sure, I need more TP! =P

[Seeker]

i'm all for scrapping the iraq war and dumping all the money into a manhattan project for a new energy source

[impala454]

Shit that's probably a project well underway by now...

[Hartmann]

They'll still have to import the resulting bi-products (diesel) as their refining capacity is next to nothing.

[Mommy]

I need gas. Dame mas gasolina. Drill anywhere. I dont give a fuck. Lower the damn gas prices.

[Testm0nkey]

but at congress the oil tycoons said their record profits and additional tax cuts are the only thing keeping their heads above water in these complicated times!

[impala454]

What are you saying? That it's oil companies against drilling in Alaska and not treehuggers!?!?

[Mommy]

I believe we have a winner here, bob

[Testm0nkey]

What are you saying? That it's oil companies against drilling in Alaska and not treehuggers!?!?

no. im not talking about alaska at all. if you arent mad about what they did thennnnnnnn i dunno

[Mommy]

I think it's possible to drill for oil and still be environmentally friendly. I think it definitely has to do with the profits of oil tycoons.

[Testm0nkey]

im saying that its not good they pulled in record breaking personal/business profits whilst gas is getting so expensive.

[impala454]

You guys need to pull your heads out and realize that american oil companies do not set oil prices. remember back about 15 years ago when gas was like $0.80/gallon? that was back when we produced enough oil for ourselves, and even exported some. well now that we're not allowed to drill to feed the expanding need for oil, we have to import something like half of what we consume. importing = expensive.

so don't act like some dude at exxon just has a profit dial and an evil look on his face as he cranks it. it's muhammed abbabbabbajab towelhead over in saudi arabia with his 500 ft yacht and 400 bentleys that's making you pay more at the pump.

[Testm0nkey]

they may not set it - i dont know anything about that, but i think they sure as hell can do something.

[impala454]

like what?

[Testm0nkey]

there have been CEOs in the past who have donated their own personal millions for good causes. i believe they would also be able to set up a budgeting/funding system to offset the increased prices like some pharmaceutical companies have done. hell they could create/fund their own grant/charity organization with company profits! theres a near infinite amount of different things they could do!

they were forced to defend their practices to congress... obviously im not the only person that had a problem

[Mommy]

You guys need to pull your heads out and realize that american oil companies do not set oil prices. remember back about 15 years ago when gas was like $0.80/gallon? that was back when we produced enough oil for ourselves, and even exported some. well now that we're not allowed to drill to feed the expanding need for oil, we have to import something like half of what we consume. importing = expensive.

so don't act like some dude at exxon just has a profit dial and an evil look on his face as he cranks it. it's muhammed abbabbabbajab towelhead over in saudi arabia with his 500 ft yacht and 400 bentleys that's making you pay more at the pump.

yes but if we drilled in Alaska, it wouldn't be mr habib towelhead setting oil prices now would it.

[impala454]

Well a quick search shows we use roughly 400 million gallons of gasoline/day, so is the CEO of exxon going to donate 100 million dollars and drop the price of gas by $0.25/gallon for one day? Yeah that'd solve a lot...

yes but if we drilled in Alaska, it wouldn't be mr habib towelhead setting oil prices now would it.

that was my point

[Mommy]

haha funny

[Testm0nkey]

hey something is better than nothing and certainly better than ripping off the general public! and congress seems to think these companies have a hand in the prices/availability.

and drilling in Alaska has a lot more costs than just environmental. ive heard some of you on here bash alternative energy sources like wind farms ("but yeah who wants a million of those in their backyard?") who wants to have a gigantic offshore refinery every 200m off the coast etc etc. at least one wont stink up an entire city

[Mommy]

hey something is better than nothing and certainly better than ripping off the general public! and congress seems to think these companies have a hand in the prices/availability.

omg are you serious? I consider myself a very kind-hearted, giving person; but if I made billions even I couldn't justify slicing 100 mil from my pay for $.25/gal decrease in prices for a day. That's just nonsense.

Investing that money in research for alternative fuels I could justify though

[Testm0nkey]

i dont think the numbers actually work out to .25 cents a day. but if i made 85 billion dollars i sure as hell would take any sort of paycut to help out the economy/average consumer, but thats just me

[Mommy]

You say that, but you don't know what it's like to make that much money. Additionally, you can't cut the prices of Exxon gas. That would violate some sort of law I'm sure because OPEC sets the prices. If it didn't violate a law, it would cause national economic pressures for other companies to do the same and it would cause hoarding and all other kinds of BS.

I think that's a dumb idea, no offense.

[impala454]

i dont think the numbers actually work out to .25 cents a day. but if i made 85 billion dollars i sure as hell would take any sort of paycut to help out the economy/average consumer, but thats just me

there isn't a single person out there that makes 85 billion dollars, much less some oil CEO that's going to donate it all for a week of cheaper gas prices. and it doesn't matter Cat, none of that is any type of solution. the only thing that will ease our gas prices is a cheap source of oil, aka oil that is ours to begin with.

[Testm0nkey]

sorry but i disagree! and hey guys, im not the only person in the world that has a problem with this, have spouted on about these ideas and is against drilling in alaska. remember all the times thats come up in congress/senate in the past and gotten shot down? thats just one example

i get credited for all these great ideas on this forum. if only i was the only one who had them i would be a billionaire!

[impala454]

hey something is better than nothing and certainly better than ripping off the general public! and congress seems to think these companies have a hand in the prices/availability.

and drilling in Alaska has a lot more costs than just environmental. ive heard some of you on here bash alternative energy sources like wind farms ("but yeah who wants a million of those in their backyard?") who wants to have a gigantic offshore refinery every 200m off the coast etc etc. at least one wont stink up an entire city

I've got no problem whatsoever with wind farms, but how will they affect the price of gas this year? Or next year? Or the year after that? And you don't have to have refineries every 200m off the coast. Refineries aren't the problem, we have plenty of em, it's the cheap source of oil that we need.

[Mommy]

oh if only things were as simple as Cathryn tries to make them.

[impala454]

sorry but i disagree! and hey guys, im not the only person in the world that has a problem with this, have spouted on about these ideas and is against drilling in alaska. remember all the times thats come up in congress/senate in the past and gotten shot down?

we all understand full well that you and other solutionless democrats have a problem with it. that seems to be the recurring theme amongst the entire democrat party. "we have a problem with _________". what is your solution?

[Testm0nkey]

ok i also want to know - whats your solution to the energy crisis/oil prices/renewable energy needs? and "open up alaska!" has a whole lot more issues against the idea other than to just protect some moose and rabbits

there are plenty of other solutions that democrats, even republicans!, have made concerning these issues. you can read up about them because they are certainly better versed in these issues than you or i

[FORSAKENR320]

I'm all for drilling in Alaska now.

That's right, this "tree-hugging hippie" made a complete 180.

THATS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET TO ROUTE 69

[FORSAKENR320]

i dont think the numbers actually work out to .25 cents a day. but if i made 85 billion dollars i sure as hell would take any sort of paycut to help out the economy/average consumer, but thats just me

I CALL BULLSHIT

[Testm0nkey]

who in their right mind couldnt spare a few mill if you are earning an ungodly amount of money? you people are horrible

[FORSAKENR320]

who in their right mind couldnt spare a few mill if you are earning an ungodly amount of money? you people are horrible

"could" and "will" are 2 different things.

i'll be damned if i give my paycheck that i earned to some lazy ass.

[Mommy]

who in their right mind couldnt spare a few mill if you are earning an ungodly amount of money? you people are horrible

*sigh* if one person could do that and it would help, I'm sure it would have already been done. Also, people aren't making that much money....enough to relieve the whole country of gas prices. I would much rather spend my money on something that will actually make a difference.... also, with a lot of money comes a lot of financial responsibility. I think that is what you fail to realize.

[Testm0nkey]

i am aware 85 bill is a fabricated number as im the one that just used it as an example. have you guys never heard of people donating millions before? are they starving in the street because that put them into the poor house? i dont get what you people are failing to grasp *sigh*

is this off topic enough or shall we go on. its not about 1 person cutting their salary back to help out (though thatd make a powerful statement) its about the business practices as a whole

[Mommy]

i am aware 85 bill is a fabricated number as im the one that just used it as an example. have you guys never heard of people donating millions before? are they starving in the street because that put them into the poor house? i dont get what you people are failing to grasp *sigh*

is this off topic enough or shall we go on. its not about 1 person cutting their salary back to help out (though thatd make a powerful statement) its about the business practices as a whole

and as already stated, the oil companies have no control over gas prices UNLESS THEY DRILL SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Hence why people are saying that it would be nice if we could drill in Alaska...or now possibly Brazil.

And yes, I have heard of people donating millions... donating millions to cancer research, to feeding the starving children in Africa, to finding a cheap alternative fuel.... NOT TO HELPING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC PAY FOR GAS. Even if companies donated billions, it would only be a temporary fix and ultimately a waste of money that could have been used for something more productive. Hell, IMO using the money for personal gain (cars, homes for CEO's) is a better use of the money because, in the end, at least there is something that can be shown for it.

The world is a fucked up place, Cathryn. Things aren't as hunky dorey and as fixable as they seem to you.

[FORSAKENR320]

i am aware 85 bill is a fabricated number as im the one that just used it as an example. have you guys never heard of people donating millions before? are they starving in the street because that put them into the poor house? i dont get what you people are failing to grasp *sigh*

is this off topic enough or shall we go on. its not about 1 person cutting their salary back to help out (though thatd make a powerful statement) its about the business practices as a whole

no one is going to willingly donate their money to lower your gas bill....
so you want it to be required that people with money donate it to ease the gas cost of people without it.

why don't you go ahead and increase their welfare checks.... hell, i made an extra $150 in commissions for working harder this week, why don't you take that and give it to someone else?


life isn't fucking fair, get a helmet. some of us haven't been helped everytime we've been in a bind, like you cathryn. would be nice if i had a sister to donate a car to me, or had parents willing to help me out with school.

[Testm0nkey]

haha look at you acting like you know what you are talking about. i dont believe i said anything about public welfare or mandatory donations

please try to keep your obvious personal attacks at a minimum

[Psykopath]

haha look at you acting like you know what you are talking about. i dont believe i said anything about public welfare or mandatory donations

please try to keep your obvious personal attacks at a minimum

Global Mod seconding this.

[FORSAKENR320]

haha look at you acting like you know what you are talking about. i dont believe i said anything about public welfare or mandatory donations

please try to keep your obvious personal attacks at a minimum

funny how you only mention these things when you are losing an arguement.



and lets recap. you want rich people to give their money to poor people, with no incentive, so that the poor people will have an easier time paying for gas.

you're OBVIOUSLY planning on saying "pretty please with sugar on top?" and they're gonna say "sure cathryn! i'll give away my hard earned money!"

and it's not so much a personal attack as bringing to light a couple reasons why you might be persuaded to think this. sure, everytime you've needed help, someones been there to give freely to you, so maybe thats the way the world is, we all give to each other as models of self sacrifice and shit rainbows all day....since that's all you really know...

MOST people would call you an idiot

[Testm0nkey]

none of what youve said is anything what ive said nor what im trying to say

and again, my personal life - which you do not know nor are you a part of - is totally unrelated to this issue


and now that this thread is dead ill move on

[Dogmeat]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5699072.html

Geez... I sure wish we were allowed to drill in Alaska and find us a huge reserve. Oh well at least we're saving the bunny rabbits and moose population

Fuck ... I'll go to Brazil if they wanna send me there

Brazillian chicks

[RitalinJunkie]

have you guys never heard of people donating millions before? are they starving in the street because that put them into the poor house? i dont get what you people are failing to grasp *sigh*

is this off topic enough or shall we go on. its not about 1 person cutting their salary back to help out (though thatd make a powerful statement) its about the business practices as a whole

Those people who donate millions do not typically do it out of charity....the do it for the fat tax cuts they are going to get.....it is that many millions of dollars that is not taxed on them, and they get huge breaks for it.

[Dogmeat]

You're forgetting how Cathryn is the world's foremost expert on the environment, the economy and culture ... she has a psychology degree

[Mommy]

speaking as someone who has not 1 but 2 USELESS DEGREES (almost... in 3 weeks I will and I already know I passed all my classes), this thread is turning gay.

While I completely disagree with Cathryn as I believe she has her head in the clouds on this issue, Brandon's statements regarding her personal life are completely irrelevant and pointless to this thread as she never said that she needed the help. What I believe she is saying is that the oil companies and their moguls could lower gas prices if they simply cut into their billions of dollars in profits they are generating. Not only do they make more money than they can spend, but it would also benefit the American people.

Not saying I agree with her at all, but her personal life has zilch to do with this as she is seeking a solution to the entire problem.... not just her own pocketbook

[Dogmeat]

speaking as someone who has not 1 but 2 USELESS DEGREES (almost... in 3 weeks I will and I already know I passed all my classes), this thread is turning gay.

While I completely disagree with Cathryn as I believe she has her head in the clouds on this issue, Brandon's statements regarding her personal life are completely irrelevant and pointless to this thread as she never said that she needed the help. What I believe she is saying is that the oil companies and their moguls could lower gas prices if they simply cut into their billions of dollars in profits they are generating. Not only do they make more money than they can spend, but it would also benefit the American people.

Not saying I agree with her at all, but her personal life has zilch to do with this as she is seeking a solution to the entire problem.... not just her own pocketbook

Ok, first and foremost, ExxonMobil, Connoco, Chevron, are ****HUGE**** companies.

They are not mom-and pop oil companies.

The operations they have across the world, especially off-shore, are quite literally the terrestial version of the space program. They do not have the luxury of being government-funded. They have to develop this technology on their own.

The oil and gas industry is far and away the most competitive and progressive industry in the world. It has to be, since it's the industry ALL OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE BASED ON.

It has been proven time and time and time again by well-respected economists that they are NOT doing anything out of line. When you see these stupid ass senate hearings, it's a fucking political stunt. Pure and simple.

Also, for those of you clamoring on about how they just need to lower the price of gas, THEY ARE NOT THE ONES WHO SET THE PRICES.

Crude oil prices are based off the US dollar by global entities, not the fucking US oil companies. They're playing in the same field as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, etc, who all effectivley have state-run oil companies.

Ever wonder why you don''t hear about the huge profits they make? Because their governments don't require them to have any kind of financial accountability because they own them.

With that said, the US oil companies can't simply just say "oh well america feels bad so we'll just fuck ourselves over in the global market place so a bunch of illiterate dipshits in the US can feel good and Barack Obama can get elected president!"

If you're wondering why the CEO's of those companies make so much it has a lot more to do with the fact that the directions they take their companies is successful, not counterproductive.

Personally I am absolutley amazed the big 5, especially Exxon, make as much money as they do considering how much more complete bullshit they have to put up with foreign operators don't.

I think it's seriously a tribute to good old-fasioned American work-ethic and enginuity, not the bullshit corrupt ceo crap all the fucking socialsts want you to believe.

But then again I don't have a psychology degree so I guess I don't understand technical things like this.

[Testm0nkey]

again dogmeat, when did i ever say i was an expert in anything? yes i happen to know more than the average joe about environmental issues and you apparently think YOU are the only one that does.

do you even know i have a psychology degree? do you know what else ill have a degree in less than 3 weeks? do you know anything about me... cause apparently buddy, ya dont

by the way my degree/s are far from useless

[FORSAKENR320]

again dogmeat, when did i ever say i was an expert in anything?

you don't have to say it. it shows in all your posts

[Testm0nkey]

great another discussion based on personal beliefs, opinions held, and like sources has totally and utterly died



this board is awesome!

[Mommy]

again dogmeat, when did i ever say i was an expert in anything? yes i happen to know more than the average joe about environmental issues and you apparently think YOU are the only one that does.

do you even know i have a psychology degree? do you know what else ill have a degree in less than 3 weeks? do you know anything about me... cause apparently buddy, ya dont

by the way my degree/s are far from useless

philosophy is your other degree if i remember...and unless you plan on pursuing philosophy at the grad level, in the job market, all it does is serve as a piece of paper. This coming from someone who has worked in the real world for a while. The starting salary for someone with a psych degree is around 22k a year. both are degrees that require grade work to become substantive. Yes, they will get you a job where a bachelor's is required. yes they further improved your status as an educated person. Yes, they (the degrees) improved your writing skills, reasoning skills, etc. The possibility that you will work in a field using your degree is slim to none. Every psych major I know is either doing grad work or is working as a secretery or some other job completely unrelated to the field. It's just the nature of the business.

And I was joking when I said useless. Honestly, I am one of the best writers in the journalism program here at Texas State, and I accredite that to skills I learned at Tech. My journalism degree will get me in the door at places... newspapers, etc. Philosophy did nothing. Most people don't even know what that is. I am glad I have that degree though. I really did learn a lot.

Ok, first and foremost, ExxonMobil, Connoco, Chevron, are ****HUGE**** companies.

They are not mom-and pop oil companies.

The operations they have across the world, especially off-shore, are quite literally the terrestial version of the space program. They do not have the luxury of being government-funded. They have to develop this technology on their own.

The oil and gas industry is far and away the most competitive and progressive industry in the world. It has to be, since it's the industry ALL OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE BASED ON.

It has been proven time and time and time again by well-respected economists that they are NOT doing anything out of line. When you see these stupid ass senate hearings, it's a fucking political stunt. Pure and simple.

Also, for those of you clamoring on about how they just need to lower the price of gas, THEY ARE NOT THE ONES WHO SET THE PRICES.

Crude oil prices are based off the US dollar by global entities, not the fucking US oil companies. They're playing in the same field as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, etc, who all effectivley have state-run oil companies.

Ever wonder why you don''t hear about the huge profits they make? Because their governments don't require them to have any kind of financial accountability because they own them.

With that said, the US oil companies can't simply just say "oh well america feels bad so we'll just fuck ourselves over in the global market place so a bunch of illiterate dipshits in the US can feel good and Barack Obama can get elected president!"

If you're wondering why the CEO's of those companies make so much it has a lot more to do with the fact that the directions they take their companies is successful, not counterproductive.

Personally I am absolutley amazed the big 5, especially Exxon, make as much money as they do considering how much more complete bullshit they have to put up with foreign operators don't.

I think it's seriously a tribute to good old-fasioned American work-ethic and enginuity, not the bullshit corrupt ceo crap all the fucking socialsts want you to believe.

But then again I don't have a psychology degree so I guess I don't understand technical things like this.

why did i get quoted here? these are things I have been saying.

[FORSAKENR320]

great another discussion based on personal beliefs, opinions held, and like sources has totally and utterly died
this board is awesome!

you should know, since thats all you ever contribute....

MOST of the time

[Mommy]

We are all experts on all topics....

Can't we all just get along?

[Dogmeat]

again dogmeat, when did i ever say i was an expert in anything? yes i happen to know more than the average joe about environmental issues and you apparently think YOU are the only one that does.

do you even know i have a psychology degree? do you know what else ill have a degree in less than 3 weeks? do you know anything about me... cause apparently buddy, ya dont

by the way my degree/s are far from useless

Well yeah Cathryn, I actually work with real live environmental issues, solve real-live environmental problems, and take an objective approach to it instead of being blindly brainwashed by politicians and politically motivated college instructors (ah hell we all know there really is no such thing as a liberal bias among college instructors) ...

I think that kinda gives me a little bit more credibility that somone who's main claim to fame is 'oh well my professors say this and I watched an inconvienient truth nyaaaaaaaa nyaaaaaaaa'

[Testm0nkey]

again that shows how little you know about me! so you are an expert is what you are saying and you just think i picked up gargle a professor spewed at me? oh how very insightful and fair of you. sounds like you do a lot of thinking! werent you fired from your field engineering job? what does that have to do with global environmental issues?

no i dont have a philosophy degree





AND NOW IM DONE

[Hartmann]

they may not set it - i dont know anything about that, but i think they sure as hell can do something.

The oil industry, especially exploration and drilling is given heavy tax breaks. The first step would be to stop giving tax breaks, the second would be to allow drilling to happen in places some people don't want.

[chook]

You guys need to pull your heads out and realize that american oil companies do not set oil prices. remember back about 15 years ago when gas was like $0.80/gallon? that was back when we produced enough oil for ourselves, and even exported some. well now that we're not allowed to drill to feed the expanding need for oil, we have to import something like half of what we consume. importing = expensive.

so don't act like some dude at exxon just has a profit dial and an evil look on his face as he cranks it. it's muhammed abbabbabbajab towelhead over in saudi arabia with his 500 ft yacht and 400 bentleys that's making you pay more at the pump.

we didn't drill ourself then cause it wasn't worth it to drill. And we pretty much imported from a US friendly south america.

[Dogmeat]

The oil industry, especially exploration and drilling is given heavy tax breaks. The first step would be to stop giving tax breaks, the second would be to allow drilling to happen in places some people don't want.

Explain this further ...

How do you tax and/or give a tax break for "exploration and drilling" ....

What taxes on these specific operations are there? I'm not dbouting it, I'm just not aware of the specifics ...

again that shows how little you know about me! so you are an expert is what you are saying and you just think i picked up gargle a professor spewed at me? oh how very insightful and fair of you. sounds like you do a lot of thinking! werent you fired from your field engineering job? what does that have to do with global environmental issues?

no i dont have a philosophy degree
AND NOW IM DONE

Yeah, I got fired.

Now I'm working with their research and product development people.

[Mommy]

again that shows how little you know about me! so you are an expert is what you are saying and you just think i picked up gargle a professor spewed at me? oh how very insightful and fair of you. sounds like you do a lot of thinking! werent you fired from your field engineering job? what does that have to do with global environmental issues?

no i dont have a philosophy degree





AND NOW IM DONE

if it's not philosphy, then what is it because that is all you have said for the past few years

[schwab]

You guys need to pull your heads out and realize that american oil companies do not set oil prices. remember back about 15 years ago when gas was like $0.80/gallon? that was back when we produced enough oil for ourselves, and even exported some. well now that we're not allowed to drill to feed the expanding need for oil, we have to import something like half of what we consume. importing = expensive.

so don't act like some dude at exxon just has a profit dial and an evil look on his face as he cranks it. it's muhammed abbabbabbajab towelhead over in saudi arabia with his 500 ft yacht and 400 bentleys that's making you pay more at the pump.

less than 20% comes from the middle east....most comes from canada and South America

you can blame prices on china and india more than the middle east.....

[Testm0nkey]

if it's not philosphy, then what is it because that is all you have said for the past few years

i dont think ive ever said i had a philosophy degree or talked about philosophy. it was my minor about 4 years ago though and i took all of 4 classes . which sucked by the way. damn you nice korean guy that taught logic!

[Hartmann]

Explain this further ...

How do you tax and/or give a tax break for "exploration and drilling" ....

What taxes on these specific operations are there? I'm not dbouting it, I'm just not aware of the specifics ...
Yeah, I got fired.

Now I'm working with their research and product development people.

The oil firms are given tax breaks on barrels of oil they produce, these barrels are sold to refineries all around the world, there is a tax break given to the companies. Since this happens on the upstream, I just labeled it exploration and drilling.

There are a few incentives for refineries and downstream processes but definitely not the same as the upstream stuff.

The last refinery I was at was a pure downstream operation and they were hurting, really, really bad. They are having to pay the high cost for a barrel, just to refine it, and pump it back into the market for a slight profit.

[Mommy]

i dont think ive ever said i had a philosophy degree or talked about philosophy. it was my minor about 4 years ago though and i took all of 4 classes . which sucked by the way. damn you nice korean guy that taught logic!

well, you say you are going to have 2 degrees. besides psychology, what is the other one? you are acting awfully vague and I'm just curious. I'm not trying to use it against you!

[Mommy]

and what the shit... I had sigs turned off and i turned them back on, and you have something I said quoted....

Thats taken totally out of context btw!

I love black people....much more than Mexicans


JUST KIDDING...oh god more ammo for your sig

For the record, I want to lay out there that I am not racist against Mexicans, blacks, Arabs, or any type of people. I don't like people that make stereotypes so true. Like if it's stereotypical that blacks talk loud and get in your face a lot.... I don't like people like that. It makes people prejudice against their people....or rather, gives them ammo. Just like a black judge told everyone in his courtroom who wasnt black to leave them courtroom and then he told all the blacks to stop committing crimes because it makes all of them look bad. Thats how I feel. White people are known for being racist and pig headed. I hate people that really are. I hate my estranged grandparents who threatened me that I better not ever marry a "dirty spick or nigger". They adhere to that stereotype of the racist white man.

I speak jokingly about hating blacks and mexicans and arabs (although i dont think i have ever said too much about blacks at all) but the truth is many of them are great leaders, many of them are great people and contribute more than I ever will to society. I just dont like stereotypical people.

[impala454]

you should know, since thats all you ever contribute....

MOST of the time

[impala454]

we didn't drill ourself then cause it wasn't worth it to drill. And we pretty much imported from a US friendly south america.

we didn't drill ourselves back then because we didn't need to. we were actually exporting oil. and it doesn't really matter how friendly the people are that we import from. importing is buku more expensive.

less than 20% comes from the middle east....most comes from canada and South America

you can blame prices on china and india more than the middle east.....

well this is true, but either way the reason our prices are high is because we have to import in the first place. We didn't used to have to import any oil.

[impala454]

and what the shit... I had sigs turned off and i turned them back on, and you have something I said quoted....

Thats taken totally out of context btw!

Yeah, every now and then I post from some comp I've never been on, and see half a dozen quotes of me taken so out of context it's laughable. main reason I just keep them turned off now.

[Mommy]

Yeah, every now and then I post from some comp I've never been on, and see half a dozen quotes of me taken so out of context it's laughable. main reason I just keep them turned off now.

yeah, I leave all images and sigs turned off. It's just safer that way. If I want to see an image, I'll click on it.

[Testm0nkey]

oh boys, just because you dont agree does not make the other person stupid or cited sources invalid

going by the population on this forum you would think i'm the person that discovered global warming and the only person thats ever heard of it!

orrrr its just that the guys on here who represent a pretty broad range of male stereotypes believe a woman has to have at least 2 phD's to know what the shit they are talking about.

but either way the shtick is getting pretty old.

i dont see how political/environmental etc discussions cant get "heated" or controversial without someone going "youre just a dumb bitch!" or "you dont know what you are talking about" all while ignoring any actual content

and yes i know im still opening myself up for a firestorm but im serious. its just about at the time that every single person on this forum is a college graduate and onto their careers and graduate schools. so you are desperately losing time until you wont be able to use "well you dont know what you are talking about"

[Mommy]

oh boys, just because you dont agree does not make the other person stupid or cited sources invalid

going by the population on this forum you would think i'm the person that discovered global warming and the only person thats ever heard of it!

orrrr its just that the guys on here who represent a pretty broad range of male stereotypes believe a woman has to have at least 2 phD's to know what the shit they are talking about.

but either way the shtick is getting pretty old.

i dont see how political/environmental etc discussions cant get "heated" or controversial without someone going "youre just a dumb bitch!" or "you dont know what you are talking about" all while ignoring any actual content

and yes i know im still opening myself up for a firestorm but im serious

I think I called you a dumb bitch like a week or two ago, but I was having a bad day that day. I try to keep my arguments with you more substantive than they used to be. Although I do still think you're a dumb bitch *kidding*

[Testm0nkey]

i wasnt trying to pinpoint you out that just came up to mind as statements that are thrown around here. and thank you for that and ive been trying to be lax towards you as well

i was going to go back and delete my post because its just too tiring getting the same old response but since you quoted it ill just do a quick summery - i think everyone should be nicer and more willing to discuss issues without cutting someone down. because everyone on this forum knows a little more about something then the next person and so on and so on. thats how life is

[impala454]

oh boys, just because you dont agree does not make the other person stupid or cited sources invalid

going by the population on this forum you would think i'm the person that discovered global warming and the only person thats ever heard of it!

orrrr its just that the guys on here who represent a pretty broad range of male stereotypes believe a woman has to have at least 2 phD's to know what the shit they are talking about.

but either way the shtick is getting pretty old.

i dont see how political/environmental etc discussions cant get "heated" or controversial without someone going "youre just a dumb bitch!" or "you dont know what you are talking about" all while ignoring any actual content

and yes i know im still opening myself up for a firestorm but im serious. its just about at the time that every single person on this forum is a college graduate and onto their careers and graduate schools. so you are desperately losing time until you wont be able to use "well you dont know what you are talking about"

Cat we were not discrediting you. We were not being sexist. We were not calling you a dumb bitch. All we were doing was making fun of your extensive use of the word "most"

[FORSAKENR320]

going by the population on this forum you would think i'm the person that discovered global warming and the only person thats ever heard of it!

it's more like, YOU think you're the person that discovered global warming and the only person thats ever heard of it.


thats what drives me to work you into a frenzy. we get it, we understand. but your accusations of overgeneralization without providing proof, and the extensive use of the word "most" without providing any sort os statistical citing are what cause us to not listen to you and decide instead to attempt to ruffle you up.

[chook]

we didn't drill ourselves back then because we didn't need to. we were actually exporting oil. and it doesn't really matter how friendly the people are that we import from. importing is buku more expensive.
well this is true, but either way the reason our prices are high is because we have to import in the first place. We didn't used to have to import any oil.

The US pretty much never exported oil, only during pre ww2 did it. I've worked in the Oil Industry and Dogmeat would be a good resource.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Oil_...920_to_2005.png

going by the population on this forum you would think i'm the person that discovered global warming and the only person thats ever heard of it!

orrrr its just that the guys on here who represent a pretty broad range of male stereotypes believe a woman has to have at least 2 phD's to know what the shit they are talking about.

That is pretty pompous, and for the record I always respected spex's pov and she only has a masters :-P

[schwab]

but either way the reason our prices are high is because we have to import in the first place. We didn't used to have to import any oil.

even if we did drill alaska, we would still be importing most of our oil.....alaska could not support the US alone.

the only way we will get off of oil is for car companies to actually try to make cars that dont rely on gas.

[Hartmann]

The US pretty much never exported oil, only during pre ww2 did it. I've worked in the Oil Industry and Dogmeat would be a good resource.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Oil_...920_to_2005.png

While I agree with the graph, we do export the refined product in some cases. A lot of these exports are solvents that go to Canada, Mexico, and Central America for use in chemical plants. But other than that, you're spot on, we do not export oil (as oil).

Could we export if we drilled off of Florida and Alaska? More than likely but I doubt we would.

[impala454]

The US pretty much never exported oil, only during pre ww2 did it. I've worked in the Oil Industry and Dogmeat would be a good resource.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Oil_...920_to_2005.png

Bah, I was basing that off some data I'd found a while back, said something like we produced all the oil we consumed up until the late 80s or something. Looks like you're right though, everything I find now though correlates to what you're saying (around the 1940s or so).

[impala454]

even if we did drill alaska, we would still be importing most of our oil.....alaska could not support the US alone.

the only way we will get off of oil is for car companies to actually try to make cars that dont rely on gas.

Well don't expect that to be the case for a long time. Even if somehow you could wave a magic wand and make all cars electric overnight, where does that electricity come from? We might as well go take over the UAB or something. It's gonna take a breakthrough like useable fusion reactors or something before we can get the kind of power we'd need to power the 250 million vehicles in the US.

[Dogmeat]

Dont worry about running out. I have a feeling we're going to Nuke Iran here in the next few months, so we'll eventually be getting all of their oil as well as Iraq's

[Psykopath]

Dont worry about running out. I have a feeling we're going to Nuke Iran here in the next few months, so we'll eventually be getting all of their oil as well as Iraq's

Yay prejudice nationalism !

[Billy]

i wasnt trying to pinpoint you out that just came up to mind as statements that are thrown around here. and thank you for that and ive been trying to be lax towards you as well

i was going to go back and delete my post because its just too tiring getting the same old response but since you quoted it ill just do a quick summery - i think everyone should be nicer and more willing to discuss issues without cutting someone down. because everyone on this forum knows a little more about something then the next person and so on and so on. thats how life is

I think your first mistake was trying to have a legitimate debate over the internet.

Other than getting into a flame war, I really no longer see the point. Because honestly, have you ever been in an online argument where after someone makes a post a light comes on in your head and you suddenly agree with their side of the coin? Because I haven't, and I have yet to witness it with anyone else. Feel free to disagree.

[impala454]

Because honestly, have you ever been in an online argument where after someone makes a post a light comes on in your head and you suddenly agree with their side of the coin?

It's not about changing people's minds, it's about open discussion, getting several points of view about a topic, and fully exploring those points of view. I for one thoroughly enjoy seeing everyone's point of view about certain topics. It keeps the mind sharp. And although we fiercely defend our viewpoints, I think we all do actually open up a little and see the other person's point, even if we don't necessarily agree with it.

It might surprise a lot of you to know that I actually recycle. It came from when Erin lived in my house, and my other roommate and I drank 12 oz cans of stuff like crazy, and when she came and lived with us she got a few different bins and asked us to toss our cans in one, plastic in another, etc. If for no other reason than we simply didn't have to take out the damn trash as often, it got me recycling. Point being, she of course is/was a treehugger and that's why she wanted us to do it, but by looking at it objectively and seeing it from another view, it seemed like a reasonable enough thing to do.

[Mommy]

I think your first mistake was trying to have a legitimate debate over the internet.

Other than getting into a flame war, I really no longer see the point. Because honestly, have you ever been in an online argument where after someone makes a post a light comes on in your head and you suddenly agree with their side of the coin? Because I haven't, and I have yet to witness it with anyone else. Feel free to disagree.

I disagree with you. I'm quite a bit of a fence jumper. I read each person's posts and think about it. Sometimes I do see another person's reasoning, and I start to think about it in a way I didn't before. Other times, of course, I'm like "what the hell is this person thinking" and then other times I see their point but I disagree.

[THECHICKEN]

I think your first mistake was trying to have a legitimate debate over the internet.

Other than getting into a flame war, I really no longer see the point. Because honestly, have you ever been in an online argument where after someone makes a post a light comes on in your head and you suddenly agree with their side of the coin? Because I haven't, and I have yet to witness it with anyone else. Feel free to disagree.

Actually, i think when people actually have a debate, instead of just flaming, it enlightens everyone reading and makes it much more enjoyable.

Example: When you got on your symantics thing for illegals, by just calling people idiots you were instantly disregarded, by at least me, and i didn't bother reading much if anything you said. Where as, when you explained that you were in Louisana and had a different view, it was an actual good point. I DID change my view a little so that i agree some states obviously don't need spanish, but in places like TEXAS it should be mandatory. Of course education is purely a STATE decided matter, so some making optional, vs some making mandatory, makes sense.

Anyway, I disagree that actual conversation on the internet can't be enlightening. Though flaming has its very fun place, it doesn't ALWAYS have to be done.

[FORSAKENR320]

Actually, i think when people actually have a debate, instead of just flaming, it enlightens everyone reading and makes it much more enjoyable.

Example: When you got on your symantics thing for illegals, by just calling people idiots you were instantly disregarded, by at least me, and i didn't bother reading much if anything you said. Where as, when you explained that you were in Louisana and had a different view, it was an actual good point. I DID change my view a little so that i agree some states obviously don't need spanish, but in places like TEXAS it should be mandatory. Of course education is purely a STATE decided matter, so some making optional, vs some making mandatory, makes sense.

Anyway, I disagree that actual conversation on the internet can't be enlightening. Though flaming has its very fun place, it doesn't ALWAYS have to be done.

i want to touch you

[Dogmeat]

I just like owning idiot pop-hippies

[THECHICKEN]

i want to touch you

Im doing it for you

[FORSAKENR320]

Im doing it for you

[theIncredibleEdi...]

I wish I had some insight on this oil business, being that I currently work for a company in the accounting department....but all of our refineries are in Venezuela.....so we spend a lot of money on materials for them, but also a large portion is exporting and shipping stuff. I just know that between January 1st and now, we've spent about 850 million on our refineries.

[Dogmeat]

I wish I had some insight on this oil business, being that I currently work for a company in the accounting department....but all of our refineries are in Venezuela.....so we spend a lot of money on materials for them, but also a large portion is exporting and shipping stuff. I just know that between January 1st and now, we've spent about 850 million on our refineries.

And $300 million of that was because somebody in washington had a brother's sister's cousin's former room mate who ran an "environmental-related" company that charged $500 an hour for dipshits to shovel dirt into a bucket

But they were certified to do so, so that makes it much better than had you paid your own people to shovel the same dirt into the same bucket

[theIncredibleEdi...]

And $300 million of that was because somebody in washington had a brother's sister's cousin's former room mate who ran an "environmental-related" company that charged $500 an hour for dipshits to shovel dirt into a bucket

But they were certified to do so, so that makes it much better than had you paid your own people to shovel the same dirt into the same bucket

Well, replace Washington with "Hugo Chavez"

[Dogmeat]

Well, replace Washington with "Hugo Chavez"

somone needs to plant an exploding dildo in hugo chavez' ass .... seriously.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

He's my "big big boss"

[chook]

He's my "big big boss"

and you work with his cousins!

[theIncredibleEdi...]

and you work with his cousins!

Basically LOL

[Mommy]

gas is fucking 3.45-3.49 here

FUCKING GAY

[Testm0nkey]

teens (two brothers) modded (themselves) a new generation Prius to 100 mpg plug-in in california. cost these kids 3k.

the fox news coverage of this is hilarious. its a lot of "uhhh"s and "ummm"s

[Mommy]

gas is 3.56 here

[Hartmann]

teens (two brothers) modded (themselves) a new generation Prius to 100 mpg plug-in in california. cost these kids 3k.

the fox news coverage of this is hilarious. its a lot of "uhhh"s and "ummm"s

I modded my Altima to run on dreams of hippies.

I get like 3,000 miles a flower child.