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JRockTTU
post Mar 24 2006, 03:32 PM
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In the wake of the whole Tom Cruise being crazy and South Park recent events, I've been looking to Scientology a lot. This "religion" totally intrigues me. Since I haven't seen much Religion in the NPR, I thought I would start a thread for discussion on this. So discuss.


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Spectatrix
post Mar 24 2006, 03:38 PM
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Well, Scientology has some interesting (and not terribly far-fetched) introductory ideas. It's when they start getting into the idea that humans were brought to Earth by aliens that I have problems with it all...


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:38 PM
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They actually believe that?

Wow.

Hale-Bopp here I come!


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:41 PM
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The word Scientology literally means "the study of truth." It comes from the Latin word "scio" meaning "knowing in the fullest sense of the word" and the Greek word "logos" meaning "study of."

Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life. The Scientology religion comprises a body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths. Prime among these:

Man is an immortal, spiritual being. His experience extends well beyond a single lifetime. His capabilities are unlimited, even if not presently realized — and those capabilities can be realized. He is able to not only solve his own problems, accomplish his goals and gain lasting happiness, but also achieve new, higher states of awareness and ability.

In Scientology no one is asked to accept anything as belief or on faith. That which is true for you is what you have observed to be true. An individual discovers for himself that Scientology works by personally applying its principles and observing or experiencing results.

Through Scientology, people all over the world are achieving the long-sought goal of true spiritual release and freedom.


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:41 PM
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Based on that description, it sounds very Gnostic.


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:43 PM
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Sooo...I noticed that description left out the part about paying an exorbitant sum of money to join said CULT.


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:46 PM
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scientologists are about 2 steps away from being a full fledged jesus is coming in a UFO cult....


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 24 2006, 03:43 PM)
Sooo...I noticed that description left out the part about paying an exorbitant sum of money to join said CULT.

I heard somewhere that L. Ron Hubbard started Scientology on a bet that he could scam a bunch of people into buying into a religion.


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post Mar 24 2006, 03:55 PM
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yeah, 75 million years ago an Alien named Xenu went around the galaxy gathering up the overpopulation from other planets and froze them (think Han Solo). He dropped them all around volcanos in the pacific and Hawaii and used H-bombs to blow them up. The souls of the aliens were trapped on earth until man evolved, then the alien souls (Thetans) entered our bodies. Any time you have a bad thought or anything like that it is the Theta in your body giving you trouble. These Thetans leave you when you die and enter another body, so it's like reincarnation. They do something called "auditing" which is finding out what your Thetan has done in past lives that is giving you trouble in your present life. By realizing what these problems are and learning to adapt to them, you become an "operating Thetan" which means that you are in touch enough that you will become immune to disease, bad thoughts, all that nasty stuff. And yes, Psyko is right, they make you pay for EVERYTHING. It's basically a scam to make money and they are a religion for tax breaks.

I recommend looking at the wikipedia entries for "Scientology" and "L. Ron Hubbard"


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Ostar @ Mar 24 2006, 03:51 PM)
I heard somewhere that L. Ron Hubbard started Scientology on a bet that he could scam a bunch of people into buying into a religion.

"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion." ~ L. Ron Hubbard As quoted in the Los Angeles Times (27 August 1978)

EDIT- supposedly he was quoted as saying this in 1944, but the quote wasn't public until 1978 and reader's digest published it as well in 1980.


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (Ostar @ Mar 24 2006, 03:51 PM)
I heard somewhere that L. Ron Hubbard started Scientology on a bet that he could scam a bunch of people into buying into a religion.

Yep, heard the same thing...he was drunk at a bar at the time too, I think.


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:08 PM
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LADS! I hath this grand idea! I will write yon book about a man called "Jesvs" and see how many plebs bvy into it!
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post Mar 24 2006, 04:10 PM
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Moral of the story

If you want to start up a religion and take peoples money, Don't talk about it.


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (Seussninja @ Mar 24 2006, 04:08 PM)
LADS! I hath this grand idea! I will write yon book about a man called "Jesvs" and see how many plebs bvy into it!

Oh yeah, I forgot about the historical records we have of Jesus's existence. Whoops! Atleast we have proof of the DC-8 jets that Xenu flew.


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 24 2006, 04:14 PM)
Oh yeah, I forgot about the historical records we have of Jesus's existence. Whoops! Atleast we have proof of the DC-8 jets that Xenu flew.

yeah that and all the historical records of everything else from 2000 years ago... rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 24 2006, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 24 2006, 04:14 PM)
Oh yeah, I forgot about the historical records we have of Jesus's existence.  Whoops!  Atleast we have proof of the DC-8 jets that Xenu flew.

oh ok, sorry:

Dude: Man, we need a celebrity for this religion!
Dude2: How bout Jesus, he's a cool guy. *points at JC*
Jesus: Guys, come on, don't. Just let me cut this wood, ok?

Dude, whispering to Dude2: That's a yes, right?
Dude2: I'll get my pens.

Edit: I'm not denying the existence of the guy, but he was a martyr, not a fucking magician.

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post Mar 24 2006, 04:25 PM
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Dude,

guys it will be alright


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Spivey @ Mar 24 2006, 04:25 PM)
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guys it will be alright

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post Mar 24 2006, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Seussninja @ Mar 24 2006, 04:20 PM)
oh ok, sorry:

Dude: Man, we need a celebrity for this religion!
Dude2: How bout Jesus, he's a cool guy. *points at JC*
Jesus: Guys, come on, don't. Just let me cut this wood, ok?

Dude, whispering to Dude2: That's a yes, right?
Dude2: I'll get my pens.

Edit: I'm not denying the existence of the guy, but he was a martyr, not a fucking magician.

My point is that Jesus existed, whether or not he was the person that the bible makes him out to be. Many things in the bible have been proven, albeit they were misunderstood at the time (red sea was actually alge glowing red at night). I don't know if I can think of a single thing in Scientology that has been proven true, only things proven false.


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 24 2006, 04:35 PM)
My point is that Jesus existed, whether or not he was the person that the bible makes him out to be.  Many things in the bible have been proven, albeit they were misunderstood at the time (red sea was actually alge glowing red at night).  I don't know if I can think of a single thing in Scientology that has been proven true, only things proven false.

Oh I wasn't trying to put Scientology over Christianity in its truth either, i was just putting it out there that most religions tend to have common sense sticking a bit out the window (however in the case of scientology out the fucking window and plummeting to its death)

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I think we all need to convert to buddhism. I haven't heard many bad things about them.


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post Mar 24 2006, 04:58 PM
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I believe that Hubbard made the bet with Anton La Vey.


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QUOTE (Jim @ Mar 24 2006, 04:58 PM)
I believe that Hubbard made the bet with Anton La Vey.

is he the church of satain guy?


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QUOTE (chook @ Mar 24 2006, 08:09 PM)
is he the church of satain guy?

Yes, he is.


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post Mar 24 2006, 10:05 PM
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scientology is bad from any perspective. it prays on those with low self esteem(read high school aged kids) and rapes them financially and mentally.

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post Mar 24 2006, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (Seussninja @ Mar 24 2006, 04:26 PM)
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hmmmm


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They will be safe here, this blip. This blip is your life, your life is this blip your life. Please don't leave oh god don't leave the blip. The blip can save you if you think hard enough if you BELIEVE hard enough you can do anything with your blip. Your blip will save you if you think hard enough if you BELIEVE hard enough you can do anything with your blip. Did you listen to my words? They aren't words, listen to your blip. You blip can make it all better.

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QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Mar 24 2006, 04:52 PM)
I think we all need to convert to buddhism.  I haven't heard many bad things about them.

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QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Mar 24 2006, 04:52 PM)
I think we all need to convert to buddhism. I haven't heard many bad things about them.

The ultimate goal in buddhism is to be free of desire and more. By living free of desire, you are simply a tool of this world. You are part of the Stream, flowing along and making no impact and simply moving and moving.


This is FALSE !


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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Mar 26 2006, 05:47 AM)

You're like that retarded kid that keeps touching the hot stove, aren't you?

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Brandon, I would link that before Lance sees it. I think this could get you banned.
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you're glib

you don't know psychology

it's a mask

I hate scientology because tom cruise is used douche juice


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QUOTE (woody @ Mar 27 2006, 02:02 AM)
you're glib

you don't know psychology

it's a mask

I hate scientology because tom cruise is used douche juice

Now with less pulp!

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QUOTE (pebkac @ Mar 27 2006, 04:21 PM)
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QUOTE (pebkac @ Mar 27 2006, 05:21 PM)
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