norquist drafting constitutional amendment to prevent family political dynasties Options

[Seeker]

very needed in IMO, we don't need 30 years of bushes and clintons, or any other family for that matter

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Constitution...event_1111.html

[FORSAKENR320]

not gonna read it, but i agree. in general, i hate career politicians

[Psykopath]

I would say this is a good thing.

It seems to prevent immediate succession of family members into the same office, something that seems more monarchical that democratic anyway.

[Spectatrix]

So he's drafting an amendment to prevent a situation that has thus far NEVER occurred in American history? Brilliant.

[Psykopath]

So he's drafting an amendment to prevent a situation that has thus far NEVER occurred in American history? Brilliant.

POLICY OF PREEMPTION

heh

[Spectatrix]

I'm just saying... like Lance's comments about the Bushes and Clintons... this would do nothing to remedy that.

Personally I think it's just a political stunt, capitalizing on people's fears of "dynasties".

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Nov 12 2007, 03:22 PM

[THECHICKEN]

We are a nation of voting into office people who would best represent us (in theory lol) and then want a constitutional amendment that would preclude certain people from being elected by the people....

seems odd and against the idea of our country. The Constitution already lays out how people get ELECTED, no real need for amendment.

[woody]

i don't think family members should be "punished" for being in a family line of those in office.

[Seeker]

this a democratic republic, not a monarchy

if the founding fathers knew had a bush, clinton, bush, and possibly another clinton they'd be rolling in their graves

because of the stupidity of the american people, 95% are retarded, this amendment is needed

[THECHICKEN]

this a democratic republic, not a monarchy

if the founding fathers knew had a bush, clinton, bush, and possibly another clinton they'd be rolling in their graves

because of the stupidity of the american people, 95% are retarded, this amendment is needed

Oh, so they were turning in there graves over President john adams, and 6th president, his son, John Quincy Adams? Funny how they were still ALIVE when it happened.

Stop thinking that just because family gets elected its not democracy. Idiots may get elected because of it, but you need to look at the definition of monarchy before you start making ridiculous propaganda.

Oh, William Henery Harrison, and his grandson Benjamin Harrison.

[The Fanatic]

Teddy Roosevelt

and

FDR

This amendment is unnecessary. Of course, it would be ideal not to elect members of the same family over and over again. However, if the American people choose to elect certain members of the same family then no one should interfere.

[Spectatrix]

Teddy Roosevelt

and

FDR

This amendment is unnecessary. Of course, it would be ideal not to elect members of the same family over and over again. However, if the American people choose to elect certain members of the same family then no one should interfere.

5th cousins. Somehow I doubt the amendment would apply to such distant relatives. But I agree nonetheless.

Bush has fucked things up so badly that I doubt any member of his family would have even a chance of getting elected, at least anytime soon. 30 years from now, though, who knows?

[pebkac]

I don't really see anything wrong with dynasties in and of themselves. The problem is that Americans are suckers for brand names. Fortunately, there's a lot of other ways to build a "brand name" in American politics.

[prefix]

this a democratic republic, not a monarchy

if the founding fathers knew had a bush, clinton, bush, and possibly another clinton they'd be rolling in their graves

because of the stupidity of the american people, 95% are retarded, this amendment is needed

Oh do you mean like John Adams and John Quincy Adams? Yea, those founding fathers would be rolling around alright.

On another note, are you just retarded or do you seriously believe the shit that you say? Seems to me that everything that comes out of your mouth is just unresearched garbage.

[Spectatrix]

Wow, Wiki's a great resource. Seems like most of the presidential families are related to each other somehow.

Direct Descent

• John Adams and John Quincy Adams (father and son)
• William Harrison and Benjamin Harrison (grandfather and grandson)
• George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush (father and son)

Other

• Zachary Taylor: second cousin of James Madison
• Millard Fillmore: fourth cousin three times removed of John Adams, fifth cousin twice removed of John Quincy Adams
• Ulysses Grant: seventh cousin of Millard Fillmore
• Grover Cleveland: fifth cousin once removed of Millard Fillmore, sixth cousin once removed of Ulysses Grant, fifth cousin once removed of Rutherford Hayes
• Benjamin Harrison: fifth cousin once removed of John Tyler (his grandfather, President William Harrison, was a fourth cousin once removed of Tyler)
• Theodore Roosevelt: third cousin three times removed of Martin Van Buren
• William Taft: fourth cousin five times removed of John Adams, fifth cousin four times removed of John Quincy Adams, sixth cousin once removed of Millard Fillmore, eighth cousin once removed of Rutherford Hayes, fifth cousin once removed of James Garfield, sixth cousin once removed of Grover Cleveland, seventh cousin of Benjamin Harrison
• Warren Harding: fifth cousin twice removed of Millard Fillmore, eighth cousin twice removed of William Taft
• Calvin Coolidge: third cousin six times removed of John Adams, fourth cousin five times removed of John Quincy Adams, sixth cousin four times removed of Millard Fillmore, sixth cousin four times removed of Franklin Pierce, seventh cousin twice removed of Ulysses Grant, sixth cousin twice removed of James Garfield, ninth cousin once removed of Benjamin Harrison, seventh cousin once removed of William Taft
• Herbert Hoover: fifth cousin four times removed of Millard Fillmore, fourth cousin five times removed of Franklin Pierce, seventh cousin three times removed of James Garfield
• Franklin Roosevelt: fourth cousin three times removed of John Quincy Adams, third cousin four times removed of Martin Van Buren, half fourth cousin three times removed of Zachary Taylor, seventh cousin once removed of Millard Fillmore, sixth cousin twice removed of Franklin Pierce, fourth cousin once removed of Ulysses Grant, sixth cousin once removed of Rutherford Hayes, half eighth cousin of Grover Cleveland, fifth cousin of Theodore Roosevelt (although his wife, Eleanor Roosevelt, was a niece of Theodore), sixth cousin twice removed of William Taft, seventh cousin once removed of Calvin Coolidge
• Richard Nixon: eighth cousin three times removed of Rutherford Hayes, seventh cousin twice removed of William Taft, ninth cousin of Warren Harding, eighth cousin once removed of Calvin Coolidge, eighth cousin once removed of Franklin Roosevelt
• Gerald Ford: fifth cousin five times removed of Millard Fillmore, seventh cousin four times removed of Abraham Lincoln, sixth cousin three times removed of Ulysses Grant, sixth cousin three times removed of Rutherford Hayes, seventh cousin three times removed of James Garfield, fifth cousin four times removed of Grover Cleveland, seventh cousin twice removed of William Taft, ninth cousin once removed of Warren Harding, eighth cousin once removed of Calvin Coolidge, eighth cousin once removed of Herbert Hoover, sixth cousin twice removed of Franklin Roosevelt, eighth cousin twice removed of Richard Nixon
• Jimmy Carter: ninth cousin of Warren Harding, sixth cousin of Richard Nixon
• George H. W. Bush: fourth cousin five times removed of Millard Fillmore, fifth cousin four times removed of Franklin Pierce, seventh cousin four times removed of Abraham Lincoln, sixth cousin five times removed of Ulysses Grant, sixth cousin three times removed of Rutherford Hayes, fourth cousin three times removed of James Garfield, seventh cousin twice removed of Grover Cleveland, seventh cousin three times removed of Theodore Roosevelt (also eighth cousin twice removed of Eleanor Roosevelt, a niece of Theodore), sixth cousin three times removed of William Taft, sixth cousin twice removed of Calvin Coolidge, tenth cousin of Herbert Hoover, sixth cousin three times removed of Franklin Roosevelt, ninth cousin four times removed of Richard Nixon, seventh cousin of Gerald Ford. Note that these relationships then also apply to George W. Bush, each an additional generation removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unite...al_relationship