Obama Gospel Tour Options

[theIncredibleEdi...]

What do yall thing about this whole situation? Gay rights groups were ALL up in arms when they learned about Donnie McClurkin and the 2 other homophobic groups, and Obama basically blew off the gays by adding the gay priest to give an opening and leaving McClurkin on the tour....ESPECIALLY after what McClurkin said. Personally, the way Obama handled the situation adds one more reason to not vote for him (this and pandering to the right-wingers like he's been doing for a while now)

Obama’s Gospel Concert Tour


COLUMBIA, S.C. — At Barack Obama’s gospel concert here last night, more than 2,000 black evangelicals were singing, waving their hands and cramming the aisles — most enthusiastically when Donnie McClurkin, the superstar black gospel singer, decried the criticism he has generated because of his views that homosexuality is a choice.

He said his past statements about homosexuality had been twisted and he had been unfairly maligned. He segued into a hymn about standing up for one’s self and thrust a defiant fist toward the ceiling. This led to a short pitch for Mr. Obama, who, he said, stands for change. “But the greatest change a person can have is not in politics,” he said. “There is only one king.”

Mr. McClurkin is the preacher who had said he was gay but was “cured” through prayer and tonight he was the star act in a parade of star acts, which included the Mighty Clouds.

His inclusion had drawn public criticism from gay activists who wanted Mr. Obama to cancel his appearance. Mr. Obama did not, but issued a statement a few days ago saying he strongly disagrees with Mr. McClurkin’s views and that he has tried to address what he called the homophobia among some black voters.

Tonight there was a small vigil of about 15 or 20 gays and lesbians, who stood quietly across the street as people filed into a big auditorium here for the last of three campaign-sponsored concerts (and the only one to feature Mr. McClurkin). The whole controversy might have been forgotten in the swell of gospel sound except Mr. McClurkin turned the final half hour of the three-hour concert into a revival meeting about the lightning rod he has become for the Obama campaign.

He approached the subject gingerly at first. Then, just when the concert had seemed to reach its pitch and about to end, Mr. McClurkin returned to it with a full-blown plea: “Don’t call me a bigot or anti-gay when I have suffered the same feelings,” he cried.

“God delivered me from homosexuality,” he added. He then told the audience to believe the Bible over the blogs: “God is the only way.” The crowd sang and clapped along in full support.

The political implications of his performance are not clear. The concert-goers we talked with afterward were generally more focused on making allowances for Mr. McClurkin’s past homosexuality than on anything about Mr. Obama.

The Obama campaign had appeared to be caught off guard by the reaction to inviting Mr. McClurkin in the first place, and it may have been surprised tonight by the degree to which the singer focused on himself. The other speakers and singers had avoided referencing the controversy. Even an openly gay minister whom Mr. Obama had invited after the fact to try to appease his gay and lesbian critics spoke so early that few people heard him.

Still, canceling Mr. McClurkin’s appearance might have created more problems. Mr. McClurkin’s support for Mr. Obama could signal to some black evangelical voters that race and religion are more important than Mr. Obama’s support for gay rights.

The campaign has tried to turn the situation into a demonstration of the candidate’s big-tent acceptance. It did bring together some supporters from the gay community and the black religious community who wrote a joint letter a few days ago saying that Mr. McClurkin’s statements had been “deeply hurtful and offensive to many Americans, most especially gay Americans.”

At the same time, it said, “a great many African Americans share Pastor McClurkin’s beliefs” and “their religion prevents them from fully embracing their gay brothers and sisters.” It lauded Mr. Obama “who speaks truth in love to both sides.”

Tamping down that conflict between two important Democratic constituencies has been an unwelcome distraction for Mr. Obama as he tries to revitalize his campaign.

[jonathan83]

so the guy changed from being homosexual to straight, and so he's getting criticism from gay groups? whatever.

[pebkac]

so the guy changed from being homosexual to straight, and so he's getting criticism from gay groups? whatever.

You don't just change from gay to straight. FYI, the two founders of exodus international both founded pro-gay groups afterwords. And there's been plenty of frontmen for the "ex-gay" movement that have basically admitted that trying to change a person's sexuality isn't possible.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

so the guy changed from being homosexual to straight, and so he's getting criticism from gay groups? whatever.

He's a "pray the gay away" advocate, and he blames homosexuality on traumatic situations (like his own) such as being raped by a member of the same sex. I dunno about pebkac, but I personally was never molested by any men as a child.

[pebkac]

He's a "pray the gay away" advocate, and he blames homosexuality on traumatic situations (like his own) such as being raped by a member of the same sex. I dunno about pebkac, but I personally was never molested by any men as a child.

Nope.

And there's absolutely no scientifically proven link between child molestation and homosexuality.

[jonathan83]

maybe you two are different, but what if his situation was really like that? maybe he grew up confused because he was homosexually molested. i dont know, just throwing that out there.

you see people coming out of the closet all the time (straight - gay)
so why is it hard to believe it can go the other way? (gay - straight).

[pebkac]

maybe you two are different, but what if his situation was really like that? maybe he grew up confused because he was homosexually molested. i dont know, just throwing that out there.

you see people coming out of the closet all the time (straight - gay)
so why is it hard to believe it can go the other way? (gay - straight).

Because, it doesn't happen the first way. You don't just turn gay after being straight. You come out of the closet when you realize that you were really gay all along.

EDIT: And like I said, there is absolutely NO psychologically proven link between molestation and homosexuality. If anything, it would make you take longer to realize you're gay.

This post has been edited by pebkac: Oct 29 2007, 08:31 PM

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Actually this morning I heard something on the radio about a study that demonstrated that sexuality was hard-wired in small animals....i cant remember the species...i will listen for it again in the morning. But they basically said they were able to alter the genes and it changed the sexual behaviors.

[GOB]

i can alter my own genes through the power of prayer

[chook]

Actually this morning I heard something on the radio about a study that demonstrated that sexuality was hard-wired in small animals....i cant remember the species...i will listen for it again in the morning. But they basically said they were able to alter the genes and it changed the sexual behaviors.

It was some species of flies a few years ago, and not the bar flies.

[jonathan83]

Because, it doesn't happen the first way. You don't just turn gay after being straight. You come out of the closet when you realize that you were really gay all along.

i didnt say he turned gay, but came out of the closet (which happens all the time).

so he could have just realized he wasn't gay the whole time...just confused.

[Spectatrix]

Or he's really bi and over time his hetero urges combined with societal pressure led him to forsake any trace of same-sex attraction.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

i didnt say he turned gay, but came out of the closet (which happens all the time).

so he could have just realized he wasn't gay the whole time...just confused.

He's said that he knew he was gay since he was young, but fought the feelings and then gave in and led a gay lifestyle, and then he decided to pray the gay away.

[pebkac]

i didnt say he turned gay, but came out of the closet (which happens all the time).

so he could have just realized he wasn't gay the whole time...just confused.

I suppose that could be possible in general, but I don't see how being molested by a member of the same sex would cause that. I mean, children usually associate being molested as being bad. Therefore, the person would likely associate sex with members of the same sex as being bad.

More likely is Spec's scenario or that he was raised in a deeply religious household and is just repressing his sexuality.

[Testm0nkey]

there is a relationship between a boy being molested by a same sex person and growing up to molest more little boys. a lot of pedophiles come from sexually abusive backgrounds.