I want to murder these people. Options

[Dogmeat]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/...3207.shtml?s=ic

these people need to be eradicated from existance before they can populate the world further.

If they truly cared about "the environment" they would kill themselves.

They must die.

All of them.

Quickly. Quicker deaths for them will help SAVE the environment! MUHAHAHAHAHHA!!!

[Divergent Realit...]

because the cotton has to be from india.

[knucklehead]

I had that same reaction to this article, but I want the writer dead more than anything


Become an ecosexual! Pick your date up on a bicycle! That'll impress her! She'll also love your nice aroma, since you A) have no air conditioning, B ) Use some special hippie laundry detergent, and C) Use some special hippie deodorant

And after she falls in love with you, which is obviously inevitable, you can give her some of your grandmother's jewelry wrapped in a nice doily.

[cmac]

who cares. these people aren't affecting you.
and it's not like they're everywhere.

[Inferia]

No different than any other types of dating criterion... I'd probably prefer this over people who impress girls by driving a Mercedes and expensive jewelry.

[Seeker]

there's nothing wrong with ecosexuals

[impala454]

there's nothing wrong with ecosexuals

yeah until they try to tell everyone else how to live.

or stuff like this:

http://video.nbc5i.com/player/?id=130256
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fcb_1184790719
dude's hummer was vandalized, had the words "For the Environ." keyed into the side.

[Seeker]

extremes of anything is never a good thing

like that time you broke into my house and destroyed all my linux boxes and spray painted "bill gates iz teh rulez" all over my linux penguin poster

[chook]

Guys trying to get ass any way possible. Organic cotton doesn't mean they used pesticides on it. I prefer bt cotton.

[Oasis]

yeah until they try to tell everyone else how to live.

Funny. Isn't that what Republicans try to do?

[impala454]

uh.. no

[Oasis]

uh.. no

My god you're ignorant

[impala454]

My god you're ignorant

and you have no idea of the fundamental ideals of the political parties of our country.

[Oasis]

and you have no idea of the fundamental ideals of the political parties of our country.

There is a huge difference between the fundemental ideals of the GOP and what they're actually doing in office.

[impala454]

There is a huge difference between the fundemental ideals of the GOP and what they're actually doing in office.

such as?

[Seeker]

well for starters the GOP (republicans) are supposed to be for small government and less spending, under the current gop leadership we have a massive federal government which is growing larger every day and the largest budget deficit of any administration in history including even democrats which are FOR spending lots of money

dude, you really are retarded aren't you

[impala454]

well for starters the GOP (republicans) are supposed to be for small government and less spending, under the current gop leadership we have a massive federal government which is growing larger every day and the largest budget deficit of any administration in history including even democrats which are FOR spending lots of money

dude, you really are retarded aren't you

a large budget and/or deficit does not indicate large government. "large government" means increased taxes, more rules/regulations/agencies, more government involvement in your daily lives. large government is what the democrats want. which is why they try to pass bills affecting the war. which is also why they try to regulate everything, increase taxes for everything, and want to do things like turn over our health care to the government.

[Oasis]

"large government" means increased taxes

Taxes have increased. Property taxes, inventory taxes, building taxes, etc. My mom hasn't been able to afford to give her employees a raise in almost three years because of increasing taxation. Just because common taxes like income and sales tax haven't increased, doesn't mean any of the other thousands of taxes levied upon us haven't spiked.

more rules/regulations/agencies

....Duh

more government involvement in your daily lives

Patriot Act, loss of freedoms, search and seizure without warrant, wiretapping without warrant....do you want me to continue? Go read the laundry list of everything Lance has posted in the past few months. As much as I hate to admit it, the Bush administration has taken a much larger role in our daily lives. Not that i really care, since I'm not breaking any laws, but to deny that is very ignorant

[impala454]

Taxes have increased. Property taxes, inventory taxes, building taxes, etc. My mom hasn't been able to afford to give her employees a raise in almost three years because of increasing taxation. Just because common taxes like income and sales tax haven't increased, doesn't mean any of the other thousands of taxes levied upon us haven't spiked.

property and sales taxes are regulated by local government, not federal.

Patriot Act, loss of freedoms, search and seizure without warrant, wiretapping without warrant....do you want me to continue? Go read the laundry list of everything Lance has posted in the past few months. As much as I hate to admit it, the Bush administration has taken a much larger role in our daily lives. Not that i really care, since I'm not breaking any laws, but to deny that is very ignorant

the wiretapping without a warrant was a total of ~500 people during the investigation of a terrorist incident. not everyone and in our daily lives.

[Dogmeat]

who cares. these people aren't affecting you.
and it's not like they're everywhere.

Yes, they ARE effecting me.

Unfortunatley, you aren't required to have a fucking clue to be allowed to vote in this country, and these are the clueless idiots that effectivley harm my way of life because they're too god damned dumb to know any better.

They are not saving the environment, they aren't saving anything.

They need to kill themselves.

[Inferia]

Yes, they ARE effecting me.

Unfortunatley, you aren't required to have a fucking clue to be allowed to vote in this country, and these are the clueless idiots that effectivley harm my way of life because they're too god damned dumb to know any better.

They are not saving the environment, they aren't saving anything.

They need to kill themselves.

So who is saving the environment?

[Dogmeat]

So who is saving the environment?

Not them.

[impala454]

I didn't realize the environment needed saving.

[Dogmeat]

I didn't realize the environment needed saving.

Of course it does, Al Gore or Hillary Clinton wouldn't be able to get any votes from idiots if the environment didn't need saving, therefore it simply MUST be saved! CHAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[impala454]

well it just baffles me... they try to make things look so bleak, but do people really look at the insane amount of this planet that is essentially untouched by human hands?

look at this

[Testm0nkey]

god impala. seriously stop. because the seemingly amount of cityscape lighting correlates to population density perfectly also taking into account uninhabitable land. overpopulation is a problem that every other ecological problem stems from



and are you people aware that the article was originally from a Hampton's newspaperette? no one takes that seriously, people in the hamptons dont take that seriously

[Seeker]

and are you people aware that the article was originally from a Hampton's newspaperette? no one takes that seriously, people in the hamptons dont take that seriously

and you know this because you live in the hamptons?

[Divergent Realit...]

well it just baffles me... they try to make things look so bleak, but do people really look at the insane amount of this planet that is essentially untouched by human hands?

and the dark areas generally suck balls.

[pysex]

horse apples

[Oasis]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

[James]

I think yall need a group hug!

[impala454]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

If you think environmental awareness is not a political issue you're nuts.

I didn't mark all enviromentalists as hummer vandalizers. I posted a link I thought was funny. But they DO attempt to control our everyday lives by trying to bring down regulations on us. Their mindset isn't just to go about their daily lives and be greener, their mindset is to scowl at every damn person on the planet with a bigger vehicle. their mindset is to follow everyone else around and want to control every little aspect of their lives because they think it'll save some bunny in the woods. If someone wants to be more concious of what they do to the environment, it sure doesn't hurt my feelings, but they can take their green shit and shove it up their ass when they're tryin to force it on me.

And I "jump to the defense of" Christianity because it's pathetic how people hate on it so much for no reason. If you want to call me two faced because I defend what I believe in go ahead. But comparing what Christians do to what the treehuggers do doesn't make sense. The treehuggers try to force their shit on you. Christians don't (and yes you dipshits go ahead and come back with your "waah but the mormans come to my door twice a year!", because I know that's all you've got) (and I also don't want to turn this into another Christian debate, keep it on the subject of stupid treehuggers tryin to take away our V8s).

[Dogmeat]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

not even bothering

[Psykopath]

When I rejoined Techsans, I promised myself I wouldn't start name calling. After reading this thread, I can't help myself.

Dogmeat and Impala, both of you are fucking idiots.

Environmental awareness isn't a fucking political issue. At least, it shouldn't be. I'm about as conservative as they come and even I'm aware our environment has problems. Sure, these "ecosexual" guys are extreme. Who cares? At least their intentions are good. And to insinuate that they're bad people because a few nutjobs vandalize Hummers is about as ignorant as saying all Christians are bad people because a few extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church clan rally for the extermination of gay people (or whatever bullshit they rally for). Impala, I've seen you jump to the defense of Christianity numerous times after someone posts a story about a few psychos blowing up abortion clinics or whatever. So please, try not to be completely two faced by using extreme examples of other groups to discredit their cause. And Dogmeat, just because you don't agree with this group's cause doesn't mean they're "fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote." Helping the environment is a lot more noble than most of the bullshit causes the Republican party pushes

So, yeah...

Next time I'm in Austin, I'm buying you a beer.

[impala454]

will is officially a treehugger now!

[Seeker]

will is officially a treehugger now!

no, he's just using common sense now

will impala take an example from will??

[Testm0nkey]

and you know this because you live in the hamptons?

i dont think you have to have lived in the hamptons to understand the people there represent far from the majority in any idea or sentiment and that maybe just maybe they are on the more hobnobby/fashionista side of things

[FORSAKENR320]

If you think environmental awareness is not a political issue you're nuts.

I didn't mark all enviromentalists as hummer vandalizers. I posted a link I thought was funny. But they DO attempt to control our everyday lives by trying to bring down regulations on us. Their mindset isn't just to go about their daily lives and be greener, their mindset is to scowl at every damn person on the planet with a bigger vehicle. their mindset is to follow everyone else around and want to control every little aspect of their lives because they think it'll save some bunny in the woods. If someone wants to be more concious of what they do to the environment, it sure doesn't hurt my feelings, but they can take their green shit and shove it up their ass when they're tryin to force it on me.

And I "jump to the defense of" Christianity because it's pathetic how people hate on it so much for no reason. If you want to call me two faced because I defend what I believe in go ahead. But comparing what Christians do to what the treehuggers do doesn't make sense. The treehuggers try to force their shit on you. Christians don't (and yes you dipshits go ahead and come back with your "waah but the mormans come to my door twice a year!", because I know that's all you've got) (and I also don't want to turn this into another Christian debate, keep it on the subject of stupid treehuggers tryin to take away our V8s).

christians force feed their religion and morality on you everywhere. but i gotta agree with will on this one. you're being very 2 faced on the issue. but, i'm only agreeing with him that you're hypocritical. i agree with YOU AND DOGMEAT because i don't approve of anyone force feeding their self rightious and over bearing bullshit on anyone.

[THECHICKEN]

Wanting to not pollute the earth is not an extremist view. However doing things at an EXTREME level is when you lose credibility. Problem is that extreme is in the eye of the beholder. If you subscribe to MLK jr. absolution through non-violent means is the only way to go, but if you are of the Malcom X belief, then you need to fight for it by any means necessary.

No matter what side you are on, if you call the other side "complete idiots" for thier view then you are the same thing. Love or hate any side, none have "pure" interests at heart. Im not Democrat or republican b/c they don't represent my views, but calling any one of the sides purely wrong or evil is naive. Republicans haven't taken away our freedoms, no matter how hard they huff and puff (thank god for our governmental system) and democrats most certainly aren't the savior we need.

Nothing is hard about saying we need to pollute less... sadly views on how or why cause the most problems

Can't we all just get naked and touch each other?

[pysex]

AMERICA


AINT IT GREAT

[impala454]

christians force feed their religion and morality on you everywhere. but i gotta agree with will on this one. you're being very 2 faced on the issue. but, i'm only agreeing with him that you're hypocritical. i agree with YOU AND DOGMEAT because i don't approve of anyone force feeding their self rightious and over bearing bullshit on anyone.

ass. what the hell am i supposed to do when you agree and disagree with me in the same post

i just personally don't see the force fed religion everywhere like you guys say. only place i see it force fed is parents -> kids, and parents force feed tons of stuff to their kids so religion isn't any different.

[impala454]

no, he's just using common sense now

will impala take an example from will??

common to treehuggers maybe

[impala454]

Wanting to not pollute the earth is not an extremist view. However doing things at an EXTREME level is when you lose credibility. Problem is that extreme is in the eye of the beholder. If you subscribe to MLK jr. absolution through non-violent means is the only way to go, but if you are of the Malcom X belief, then you need to fight for it by any means necessary.

No matter what side you are on, if you call the other side "complete idiots" for thier view then you are the same thing. Love or hate any side, none have "pure" interests at heart. Im not Democrat or republican b/c they don't represent my views, but calling any one of the sides purely wrong or evil is naive. Republicans haven't taken away our freedoms, no matter how hard they huff and puff (thank god for our governmental system) and democrats most certainly aren't the savior we need.

Nothing is hard about saying we need to pollute less... sadly views on how or why cause the most problems

Can't we all just get naked and touch each other?

I don't think anyone here thinks all treehuggers are extremists. The issue is whether or not their views effect everyone's lives, whether they agree with those view or not.

I really don't hate the planet and want to smog the place up, but I simply don't believe it's as bad as people make it out to be. The Earth is enormous, the volume of air in our atmosphere is insane, the amount of wildlife and ocean and natural, untouched areas is huge, even with 6 billion people. There has been evidence of volcanic disasters thousands of years ago which put more pollutants than all of mankind into the atmosphere, and yet the earth is still here, still beautiful, still animals roamin around.

[Testm0nkey]

every second 3 people are added to the world. most of those are in undeveloped countries like africa, india and south america. these countries havent been able to maintain their old population numbers and this is putting a very big strain on the economy, food, and the land they live on.

the population of the earth (6billion as of 1999) should DOUBLE by 2050. never before has anything been so increasing in numbers that its putting a stranglehold on the environment. america itself has a net gain of 1 person every 10 seconds.

theres been in increased atmospheric CO2 concentration in the atmosphere by 30% first started being noticed around the time of the industrial revolution (coincidence?). over 50% of terrestrial nitrogen fixations is caused by human activity (farming, fossil fuels)

about 20% of the bird species have become extinct in the last 200 years almost all because of humans
22% of fisheries are overexploited or depleted, 44% or more are at limit of exploitation. this is destroying the coast line, literally causing some of the extinctions of the worlds largest food resource.

we've already transformed or degraded 39.50% of the earths entire land surface (agriculture and urban) - and thats not a total percentage of the land humans live on just the percentage we've turned totally uninhabitable. these leads into the problem of shrinking cropland. most of the earths surface you just cant grow a lot of stuff on. now you cant grow adequate stuff on even more

water shortages. freshwater is only 3% of the earths water. acquifer rates are emptying so fast its already caused mass famine where they are needed most. the only water thats easily usable by humans is ground freshwater which is only .3% of the water on the earth. the average family of 4 in america uses about 335 gallons of water a day
and most of the water we use is waste. it literally doesnt get recycled back into the land. our irrigation systems are mostly outdated - just 1 reason for the loss

because of global warming which in its definition is the rise of avg. global temp. due to human activities, the earths temp may rise 2.4-10.4 degrees F by the end of this century making it the hottest period since the dinosaurs were alive (back then the earth was so hot because of massive volcanic activity)

the natural extinction rate of species on earth is 2-10 species per year. due to human activity the extinction rate is 1,000-10,000 times higher. most of the medicines we use today come from animals and plants most susceptible to mass extinctions due to the fact they live in rainforests and jungles.

death rates are increasing but unfortunately so are birth rates. some theorists say the emergence of aids, bird flu and the like are the earth "fighting back" so to speak. battling back for its resources and space. for example everyone hears about AIDS in Africa but actually the highest concentration of AIDS in the world is in India (4 million adults alone). AIDS numbers are raising largely in Asia and America.

TEXAS gets its water mostly from the Ogalla acquifer. we in lubbock especially get our water from this source. it covers 11% of texas. 3.3 billion acres. it would cover all 50 states with about 6 feet of water. BUT unfortunately it would take 6,000 years to refill. there are 170k wells in texas in the acquifer, 50k in NW texas alone. BUT the water level is at drastically low levels. levels that would warrant water restrictions (and lubbock has recently argued about implementing them - aside from the recent one due to a water main break). there simply wont be enough water in the acquifer for lubbock within the next 50 years. choices? lubbock purchasing water from states farther north along the acquifer where levels are still usable, ... thats really the only realistic one at the moment because desalination plants are still hugely inefficient to maintain a population and agriculture. some states have already been forced to "buy" water from other states.

the earth simply doesnt have the resources to maintain this population much less one that is supposed to double in such a short time. once a species meets its carrying capacity placed by the environment they live in and its resources there is little they can do about it except for famine, mass extinctions, epidemics. before 2050 we are going to be exceeding ours.

[Psykopath]

There has been evidence of volcanic disasters thousands of years ago which put more pollutants than all of mankind into the atmosphere, and yet the earth is still here, still beautiful, still animals roamin around.

...after it killed everything for eons.
But hey, let's do said event in man-made fashion!
SCIENCE BE DAMNED!

[JRockTTU]

every second 3 people are added to the world. most of those are in undeveloped countries like africa, india and south america. these countries havent been able to maintain their old population numbers and this is putting a very big strain on the economy, food, and the land they live on.

the population of the earth (6billion as of 1999) should DOUBLE by 2050. never before has anything been so increasing in numbers that its putting a stranglehold on the environment. america itself has a net gain of 1 person every 10 seconds.

theres been in increased atmospheric CO2 concentration in the atmosphere by 30% first started being noticed around the time of the industrial revolution (coincidence?). over 50% of terrestrial nitrogen fixations is caused by human activity (farming, fossil fuels)

about 20% of the bird species have become extinct in the last 200 years almost all because of humans
22% of fisheries are overexploited or depleted, 44% or more are at limit of exploitation. this is destroying the coast line, literally causing some of the extinctions of the worlds largest food resource.

we've already transformed or degraded 39.50% of the earths entire land surface (agriculture and urban) - and thats not a total percentage of the land humans live on just the percentage we've turned totally uninhabitable. these leads into the problem of shrinking cropland. most of the earths surface you just cant grow a lot of stuff on. now you cant grow adequate stuff on even more

water shortages. freshwater is only 3% of the earths water. acquifer rates are emptying so fast its already caused mass famine where they are needed most. the only water thats easily usable by humans is ground freshwater which is only .3% of the water on the earth. the average family of 4 in america uses about 335 gallons of water a day
and most of the water we use is waste. it literally doesnt get recycled back into the land. our irrigation systems are mostly outdated - just 1 reason for the loss

because of global warming which in its definition is the rise of avg. global temp. due to human activities, the earths temp may rise 2.4-10.4 degrees F by the end of this century making it the hottest period since the dinosaurs were alive (back then the earth was so hot because of massive volcanic activity)

the natural extinction rate of species on earth is 2-10 species per year. due to human activity the extinction rate is 1,000-10,000 times higher. most of the medicines we use today come from animals and plants most susceptible to mass extinctions due to the fact they live in rainforests and jungles.

death rates are increasing but unfortunately so are birth rates. some theorists say the emergence of aids, bird flu and the like are the earth "fighting back" so to speak. battling back for its resources and space. for example everyone hears about AIDS in Africa but actually the highest concentration of AIDS in the world is in India (4 million adults alone). AIDS numbers are raising largely in Asia and America.

TEXAS gets its water mostly from the Ogalla acquifer. we in lubbock especially get our water from this source. it covers 11% of texas. 3.3 billion acres. it would cover all 50 states with about 6 feet of water. BUT unfortunately it would take 6,000 years to refill. there are 170k wells in texas in the acquifer, 50k in NW texas alone. BUT the water level is at drastically low levels. levels that would warrant water restrictions (and lubbock has recently argued about implementing them - aside from the recent one due to a water main break). there simply wont be enough water in the acquifer for lubbock within the next 50 years. choices? lubbock purchasing water from states farther north along the acquifer where levels are still usable, ... thats really the only realistic one at the moment because desalination plants are still hugely inefficient to maintain a population and agriculture. some states have already been forced to "buy" water from other states.

the earth simply doesnt have the resources to maintain this population much less one that is supposed to double in such a short time. once a species meets its carrying capacity placed by the environment they live in and its resources there is little they can do about it except for famine, mass extinctions, epidemics. before 2050 we are going to be exceeding ours.

TLDR

[Divergent Realit...]

every second 3 people are added to the world. most of those are in undeveloped countries like africa, india and south america. these countries havent been able to maintain their old population numbers and this is putting a very big strain on the economy, food, and the land they live on.

the population of the earth (6billion as of 1999) should DOUBLE by 2050. never before has anything been so increasing in numbers that its putting a stranglehold on the environment. america itself has a net gain of 1 person every 10 seconds.

theres been in increased atmospheric CO2 concentration in the atmosphere by 30% first started being noticed around the time of the industrial revolution (coincidence?). over 50% of terrestrial nitrogen fixations is caused by human activity (farming, fossil fuels)

about 20% of the bird species have become extinct in the last 200 years almost all because of humans
22% of fisheries are overexploited or depleted, 44% or more are at limit of exploitation. this is destroying the coast line, literally causing some of the extinctions of the worlds largest food resource.

we've already transformed or degraded 39.50% of the earths entire land surface (agriculture and urban) - and thats not a total percentage of the land humans live on just the percentage we've turned totally uninhabitable. these leads into the problem of shrinking cropland. most of the earths surface you just cant grow a lot of stuff on. now you cant grow adequate stuff on even more

water shortages. freshwater is only 3% of the earths water. acquifer rates are emptying so fast its already caused mass famine where they are needed most. the only water thats easily usable by humans is ground freshwater which is only .3% of the water on the earth. the average family of 4 in america uses about 335 gallons of water a day
and most of the water we use is waste. it literally doesnt get recycled back into the land. our irrigation systems are mostly outdated - just 1 reason for the loss

because of global warming which in its definition is the rise of avg. global temp. due to human activities, the earths temp may rise 2.4-10.4 degrees F by the end of this century making it the hottest period since the dinosaurs were alive (back then the earth was so hot because of massive volcanic activity)

the natural extinction rate of species on earth is 2-10 species per year. due to human activity the extinction rate is 1,000-10,000 times higher. most of the medicines we use today come from animals and plants most susceptible to mass extinctions due to the fact they live in rainforests and jungles.

death rates are increasing but unfortunately so are birth rates. some theorists say the emergence of aids, bird flu and the like are the earth "fighting back" so to speak. battling back for its resources and space. for example everyone hears about AIDS in Africa but actually the highest concentration of AIDS in the world is in India (4 million adults alone). AIDS numbers are raising largely in Asia and America.

TEXAS gets its water mostly from the Ogalla acquifer. we in lubbock especially get our water from this source. it covers 11% of texas. 3.3 billion acres. it would cover all 50 states with about 6 feet of water. BUT unfortunately it would take 6,000 years to refill. there are 170k wells in texas in the acquifer, 50k in NW texas alone. BUT the water level is at drastically low levels. levels that would warrant water restrictions (and lubbock has recently argued about implementing them - aside from the recent one due to a water main break). there simply wont be enough water in the acquifer for lubbock within the next 50 years. choices? lubbock purchasing water from states farther north along the acquifer where levels are still usable, ... thats really the only realistic one at the moment because desalination plants are still hugely inefficient to maintain a population and agriculture. some states have already been forced to "buy" water from other states.

the earth simply doesnt have the resources to maintain this population much less one that is supposed to double in such a short time. once a species meets its carrying capacity placed by the environment they live in and its resources there is little they can do about it except for famine, mass extinctions, epidemics. before 2050 we are going to be exceeding ours.

where is the bibliography?

[impala454]

yeah i think that about kills the thread

[impala454]

...after it killed everything for eons.
But hey, let's do said event in man-made fashion!
SCIENCE BE DAMNED!

one of those events will happen before we destroy the earth by driving SUVs

[Oasis]

common to treehuggers maybe

Don't worry, I still drive a truck, dip Cope, and listen to Pat Green. Yee haw!

Don't call me a tree hugger.

Yes, environmentalism is a political issue. I misworded that. It shouldn't be a partisan issue though. Helping out the world shouldn't be a bitchfest between Republicans and Democrats

[impala454]

TREEHUGGIN BUBBA


hah

[Dogmeat]

every second 3 people are added to the world. most of those are in undeveloped countries like africa, india
the earth simply doesnt have the resources to maintain this population much less one that is supposed to double in such a short time. once a species meets its carrying capacity placed by the environment they live in and its resources there is little they can do about it except for famine, mass extinctions, epidemics. before 2050 we are going to be exceeding ours.

Which is exactly why I maintain the single most important thing the government could possibly spend money on is space exploration.

what sucks is, the number of stupid people grows even more exponentially than the number of smart people as population grows.

Hence, it's become harder and harder for the %5 (and shrinking) of smart people in this world to keep the other %95 of idiots afloat, so to speak.

The single most important goal humanity should have as a species, regardless of relegion or demograpic or whatever, is to blast off into space and get off this planet and spread ourselves out over new worlds, so we don't die out.

Even if you are relegious.

"God only helps those who helps themselves."

Apply that to our entire species, and you see why we need off this rock.

[Inferia]

hehe, if Christianity did not shovel it's beliefs onto other people in this country then people wouldn't have place my hand on a bible in court, marriage would be a civil union, "In God we trust" would not be printed on the money we spend, seven out of nine supreme court justices are of Christian domination, and so on. I'm not saying this is bad or good, perhaps Christians don't have to "shove" anything down anyone's throat, perhaps it's because they simply rule as a majority. And perhaps anyone who tries to change anything as a minority have to try harder, and in essence appear to be "shoving" something down someone's throat.

[impala454]

So, do you believe in God because the penny in your pocket says "In God We Trust"? If this is "shoving Christianity down your throat" you're a crying whining baby.

and wtf is wrong with supreme court judges practicing a religion? and how do they shove Christianity down your throat?

you guys use Christians as your scapegoat for everything. it's freakin sad.

[Inferia]

no, but it is a representation of the beliefs of this country. It won't change what I believe in, but it is in the laws I abide by.

Look, I don't really like regulating stupid stuff in order to appear more environmentally conscience. i.e. plastic bags banning in San Fran. It's not about taking one less shower to save water, or walk one more mile to save gas, or using paper instead of plastic because paper supposedly pollutes less than plastic. But I do, however, believe that global climate change is happening, and we making our dent on this earth. I think there should be government regulations on the amount of pollutants we put into the atmosphere by making more efficient automobiles, factories, etc, but scientifically. Taking one less shower will not save the earth, bringing in canvas bags to grocery shop while driving there in a car will not save the earth.

Lets try this, the amount of energy it takes to make and recycle a plastic bag is much less than it would take to make and recycle a paper bag. So why the heck are plastic bags evil while paper is good? Plastic is a complicated matter, it is one more modern than a paper bag, which makes people thinks it means more pollution. In a sense that it is if you use the none recyclable type of plastic. But in reality, if we use a linear polymer such as PP or HDPE it is easily melted and can be reformed much readily than paper would. So why in the world is paper so good? Paper degrades much easier than plastic ever would if you were to just throw it away, but here's the catch, if we just throw it in the trash, it would never degrade anyway since the trash in this country are packed so tightly that the microorganisms that would do the biodegrading will not survive in the heat. So what is the answer to this problem? Assuming if everyone recycled, plastic is probably better in the sense that it is cheaper and more energy efficient to make than paper, and assuming if no one recycled, plastic is still "better" in the same sense. But then we get into the other slippery slope of the effect of plastic bag on other forms of the environment, as in natural habitats and stuff. If you throw away a paper bag in a forest it will degrade much faster than a plastic one (I think the numbers are 1 year to 1000 years), but what percentage of plastic bags are floating around in our forests? I'm not sure. And this will go for many of the other environment problems. There is no easy solution, but there are solutions where we can help improve the environment, which I don't think anyone can say they are against the environment.

And lets try another example, if we take plastic cups, paper cups, Styrofoam cups, and ceramic mugs, you'd think ceramic mugs would be the most environmentally conscience, considering they are reusable, probably can last you a lifetime or more. But realistically speaking, in this country, not many people use one mug in all of their lives. The energy that it takes to produce one mug is equal to close to hundreds of thousands of the other 3 types of cups. Then should we be careless about the number of plastic, paper, styrofoam cups we use? I'm not sure. Are these figures all correct? I can't remember, but my point being, what appears "wrong" doesn't mean it's actually wrong, and what appears to be "the right thing"may be more damaging than the "wrong thing". I don't believe we are using this earth effectively, energetically speaking and "environmentally" speaking. I do believe in numbers and figures, and I do believe in finding alternatives to current methods if they are more energy and enivornmentally effective, because it would be kinda idiotic to think that we're can't be any better than what we're doing right now.

[impala454]

considering something like 80% of the population of our country believes in Christianity, I'd say it's a perfectly valid representation. but then again I don't really give a crap what it says on my money. I just see no reason to go change things because some overly sensitive people get butt hurt about it being on there.

Where is Christianity in the laws that you abide by?

[James]

LOL @ Impala's fanatacism.

Lang, great points.

[Spectatrix]

considering something like 80% of the population of our country believes in Christianity, I'd say it's a perfectly valid representation. but then again I don't really give a crap what it says on my money. I just see no reason to go change things because some overly sensitive people get butt hurt about it being on there.

Where is Christianity in the laws that you abide by?

80% Christian, 5% other religions, 15% atheist/agnostic, but only about 54% of Americans actually belong to a church/synagogue/temple/etc.

Gay marriage is prohibited in large part because of pressure from religious conservatives. It's not a purely religious issue, but the prohibition is driven largely by the religious right. We shouldn't have civil "marriage" at all, the term should be "civil union" or similar across the board, but that's a semantics issue.

"Don't ask, don't tell" is due to the social stigma of being openly gay, again largely driven by religion.

All that having been said, I personally don't give a flip about "In God We Trust" being on my money or "one nation, under God" being in the pledge of allegiance. If I really wanted to, I could cross out "God" on my bills and write in "Bob" and I don't feel any more pressured to recite the pledge than I did to recite the Lord's Prayer at a wedding I recently attended. *shrugs*

[blaarg]

This topic is heading towards re-post territory:

http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?s...igion&st=15

all we need is to end it with a "discussion" on Iraq and we have done a techsans "full circle"

[Spectatrix]

This topic is heading towards re-post territory:

http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?s...igion&st=15

all we need is to end it with a "discussion" on Iraq and we have done a techsans "full circle"

I blame Impala.

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