As of now, who is your choice for President?, vote! Options

[jonathan83]

I am including candidates (along with their official title, if they have one)who have filed with the FEC, formed exploratory committees, and those who have expressed serious interest.

I listed all the candidates listed in wikipedia's articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_and_...atic_candidates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_and_...ican_candidates

This post has been edited by jonathan83: May 7 2007, 08:14 AM

[zetec]

i actually just got done re-watching the demo debate, and I think i'd vote obama over gravel by just a narrow margin, only because i think gravel is a little to ingrained against change. that said, obama's enviromental policy wasn't there for me, and Ron Paul is sounding more and more like a good choice for me. My only fear is that once he takes office, he'll swing more towards the GOP side then he is right now, which isn't very.

[Dogmeat]

umm.

you this poll is stupid, if I only click one canidate it comes back and tells me I have to "vote against" somone. so I voted for romney and against hillary.

what the fuck i'm not from florida this shouldn't be happening!

[James]

Yeah. That is pretty dumb. You don't get to vote for both a Republican and a Democrat last I checked, but I've only voted in two presidential elections and it's been a while.

[Testm0nkey]

fraud! i tried to vote for a democrat and i keep getting an error and it won't go through! what are you trying to do here


ive been a bill richardson fanboy for years

[Psykopath]

Dem: Bill Richardson

Rep: Chuck Hagel

[chook]

Richardson/McCain. I am doing the southwestern special!

[jonathan83]

I know you can't vote for 2 candidates, I'm just asking which candidates from each party you like the best. So yeah, pick one from each. If you just extremely hate the other party, pick the lesser of the evils.

[jonathan83]

alright I went ahead and added a "none of the above" to each party, so if you really just don't want to pick someone from the dems or republicans then vote that way.

[The Fanatic]

All of the candidates are essentially the same.

[Spectatrix]

Barack Obama and Ron Paul, though I've yet to watch the debates in full (I'll go back and watch them sometime this week). Bill Richardson is a bit too fast and loose with government resources for me to be comfortable with him in office.

[Seeker]

i want to see ron paul as president and mike gravel for vice president

[Dogmeat]

this poll is fucking retarded.

there isn't a democrat on ther eI like yet I'm told to vote for one .

[Testm0nkey]

then dont vote? jeez people its a poll!

[Dogmeat]

then dont vote? jeez people its a poll!

*GASP*! YOU ARE DENYING MY FREEDOM!!!!! THIS IS THE EQUIVELENT OF DANGLING CHADS ON A BALLOT!!!!

HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLP ME AL GORE I'VE BEEN DISENFRANCHISED BY RACIST VOTING MACHINES!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blaarg]

No Al Gore?

(I BELIEVE!!!)

[GOB]

i don't know anything about mitt romney, but i can tell you all right now that i'm not voting for a baseball glove.


edit: mormon, eh? looks like that's a double-no.

[jonathan83]

this poll is fucking retarded.

there isn't a democrat on there I like, yet I'm told to vote for one.

well those are the only dems who are running or considering running, so boo-hoo for you.

[pysex]

it's obvious that obama has more support for the democrat candidacy...

it's a huge toss up for the republicans...

i have no idea who's going to win the nomination

as usual the right person will never get picked

[knucklehead]

where's the choice for "who gives a shit, fuck America"?

[knucklehead]

oh shit i forgot, this is gay motherfucking TexASS

[FORSAKENR320]

someone gimmie some rope, a couple steaks, and the bbq grill. looks like we's gonna have a texas lynch party here with knucklehead



i vote for whoever is most likely to bring about the apocalypse (non-nuclear prefered)

[zetec]

All of the candidates are essentially the same.

that's just an excuse for not doing any research

this years crop (for both parties) is actually very diverse



don't forget though, Obama's got Oprah's vote, so that's like a gauranteed 30 million votes. Them opraholics are nuts.

[schwab]

none

no one has earned it

[Dogmeat]

I think McCain is better suited to be a senator than a president. I think Guiliani is too liberal. I would vote for Romney because he's definatley the most conservative, and even though that's a turn-off for me, I think that's needed in the white house to balance a left-leaning congress.

[TetraGrammaton C...]

that's just an excuse for not doing any research

this years crop (for both parties) is actually very diverse
don't forget though, Obama's got Oprah's vote, so that's like a gauranteed 30 million votes. Them opraholics are nuts.

diverse in comparison to what?
i mean, i know they have various stances. but to be scalar, they all gravitate towards moderate,
which is a good way to appear suitable to more people, but i have a general distaste for it.


oprah is magic, but i would guess her loyal following takes voting slightly more seriously/personally
than buying a book that she recommends.

This post has been edited by TetraGrammaton Cleric: May 7 2007, 07:34 AM

[impala454]

it's two different polls you fucking florida old geezer votin dipshits

the questions are extremely clear:
Who is your Democratic candidate of choice?
Who is your Republican candidate of choice?

Anyhow, I'd like to see Fred Thompson run. Hell, the man hasn't even announced he's going to run, and he's already the #2 preferred ® candidate behind Giuliani.

oh and I put down Barack Hussein (lawlz dont sue me barack) Obama as my demo choice

[Mommy]

None of the above for Dem (cuz I hate all of the candidates) and McCain for Republican....Hey! I might actually vote this year if I agree with a candidate.

[cupcake]

Giuliani

he fits my style best. conservative fiscally and with foreign policy, liberal on social issues.

and he's no old guard, career politician washington insider...which can only be a good thing.

[Mommy]

yeah, im kinda liking Guiliani as well. I just need to read a little more on him

[cupcake]

yeah, im kinda liking Guiliani as well. I just need to read a little more on him

you should.

there is a very important intangible aspect to this election versus any other in recent history...

the worldwide image of the US has suffered immeasurably since W has been in office.

the world stood beside us on 9/11. and Giuliani was the leader of that day...not the pres.

I'm not saying we should vote on who would be most popular with other countries by any means, just saying his image sure wouldn't hurt ours...

[impala454]

the worldwide image of the US has suffered immeasurably since W has been in office.

1) how has the worldwide image of the US changed? from what image to what image?
2) if all a candidate is concerned with is our image to the rest of the world, I don't want them as my president.

the world stood beside us on 9/11. and Giuliani was the leader of that day...not the pres.

oh gimme an effin break. he made a couple of speeches to the city. granted he seems like a good leader and would prob make a good president, but he wasn't "the leader of that day". he was the "outspoken victim of the day". all I'm weary about on him, would be his inability to stand up to the democrat congress we have.

[cupcake]

1) how has the worldwide image of the US changed? from what image to what image?

from world leader whom everyone trusted to country who invade others on shotty intel.

before all this BS...if we went in somewhere, no one cared because "the US probably has a good reason"...now? not so much. our credibility has suffered.

don't be a fool. to not be concerned with your reputation is to live haphazardly. even Bush has tried several times to go on popularity visits to other nations...wtf was that jungle dancing shit that he just did a couple weeks ago? that wasn't making policy...that was trying to up his image...

[impala454]

from world leader whom everyone trusted to country who invade others on shotty intel.

before all this BS...if we went in somewhere, no one cared because "the US probably has a good reason"...now? not so much. our credibility has suffered.

so you believe we're no longer a world leader? or just not trusted? which nations no longer trust us that trusted us before? I sure don't see any the commerce, or foreign aid we provide to anyone being cut off. I don't see any of our all too numerous military bases polka dotted across the planet being shut down by their respective host countries. I don't see the landslide movement from other countries towards removing our troops and taking the reigns in Iraq or Afghanistan. I hear what you're saying, and if all I did all day was watch CNN (not saying you do), I'd probably believe it. I just don't see the worldwide action to back it up. At the end of the day, if some attack or crisis happens somewhere, people feel safe and protected when they see the stars and stripes coming to help them.

don't be a fool. to not be concerned with your reputation is to live haphazardly.

we don't have a world government. we don't run by other people's rules, they run by ours. if you start letting the little guy make the rules you lose your power.

even Bush has tried several times to go on popularity visits to other nations...wtf was that jungle dancing shit that he just did a couple weeks ago? that wasn't making policy...that was trying to up his image...

it's called, trying to beef up the republican image before the presidential race in 2008.

[cupcake]

or just not trusted?

not trusted as much...

I'm not going to argue with you about this shit as you are dead set in your belief.

there is a huge difference in being a global dick and letting the little guy make up your country's rules.

[GOB]

we don't have a world government. we don't run by other people's rules, they run by ours. if you start letting the little guy make the rules you lose your power.

isn't that exactly what a world government would be?

[impala454]

not trusted as much...

I'm not going to argue with you about this shit as you are dead set in your belief.

there is a huge difference in being a global dick and letting the little guy make up your country's rules.

hey I just asked where you see the physical, day to day changes in other countries policies towards us. I don't really see how we're a "global dick" with the insane amount of aid we give to other countries, and the essentially free protection we provide for anyone friendly to us.

isn't that exactly what a world government would be?

yep, it just isn't "official" is it

[cupcake]

I don't have statistical data for you man.

I've just noticed there is much more open antiamerican sentiment overseas than there was just 10 or 15 years ago.

people find out you're american and they want to get all up in your ass about W and the war...whereas before politics wasn't something people normally jumped into when you're having a drink or waiting for a bus or something.

[impala454]

well that's exactly what I mean. they'll talk shit all day long, but they still want our money and protection. it's kinda like the liberal americans. they'll want war, when it suits their interests. if it goes bad they'll blame the conservatives and whip out the anti-war sentiment. if it goes well they'll hail all in power as great leaders.

it sounds like you've had some overseas experience, and I don't. but would I be right in guessing that there's always been plenty of anti-american sentiment? to me if it was some real change, and the countries really were against everything we're doing, they'd show it with some type of political action.

[Mommy]

damn, people are arguing all over the place today *cough* Impala and Lamont *cough*

[Seeker]

who the fuck voted for hillary, seriously

time for a techsans lynching

[pysex]

if you vote for giuliani you vote for the mob

[cupcake]

I'm ok with that...lol

[zetec]

giulliani has put his foot up his ass and into his mouth over the past two days...

and who the fuck hijacked impala's account and started making logical arguments the past two weeks or so?! Lance, check his ip...

[cupcake]

not arguing, asking...

how did giuliani recently put his foot in his mouth?

I hope you do not mean the pro-choice thing? because that's a deliberate thing and a nice change from the standard Rep/Dem schpeels.

[FORSAKENR320]

http://www.cockybastard.com/bm/99/gallery/jimpenis.jpg (NSFW)


everyone seems to be riding their E-Penis today

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: May 7 2007, 06:37 PM

[pysex]

that looks like it was carved out of stone

[griseyeux]

me e-penis is 5'11" and kicks like a mule....

oh wait that's Zach.

my e-penis is 2 feet long with black claws....

nope that's my wiener.

I don't think i have an e-penis.

[Mommy]

does anyone understand what this girl is saying?

[Seeker]

not arguing, asking...

how did giuliani recently put his foot in his mouth?

I hope you do not mean the pro-choice thing? because that's a deliberate thing and a nice change from the standard Rep/Dem schpeels.

guiliani thinks freedom means submitting to authority, sickening... this guy would fit in well with the taliban or stalin's government

i really thought cannonball would know better

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...750C0A962958260

[The Fanatic]

that's just an excuse for not doing any research

this years crop (for both parties) is actually very diverse
don't forget though, Obama's got Oprah's vote, so that's like a gauranteed 30 million votes. Them opraholics are nuts.

I disagree. How exactly is that an excuse for not doing research? There are plenty of mindless Americans who vote every year that do not require any excuse what so ever. There are many candidates this election cycle but most of them do not stray from the centrist soundbytes that win elections.

And If by diverse candidates you mean a black dude, a woman, and a Hispanic governor of new Mexico then sure. Don't be so superficial my friend.

[Jim]

lol richardson

[Aaron]

I haven't really paid much attention to the campaign because we're still over six months away from the first primaries and all of these candidates are one Howard Dean scream/yip or sexual scandal away from being completely irrelevant.

That being said, from my limited (by choice) exposure to this issue, I haven't heard Barak Obama say anything that I don't agree with... I probably identify closest with Ron Paul, but he doesn't have a prayer.

The only mainstream Republican candidate that I agree with on most issues is Rudy Guilani, but I find his experience a bit worrisome and he doesn't seem very Presidential to me. Let's be real, if New York hadn't been attacked on September 11th, Guilani wouldn't be anywhere close to a legitimate candidate in this race. I mean, really, do we want another Grover Cleveland or Calvin Coolidge? Historically speaking, mayors jumping to the White House have not found very much success.

At this point, the only guy out there who strikes me as Presidential is Obama... Thompson, too, but he isn't officially in yet.

I just don't want another eight years of having a laughing-stock as a President.

I'd vote for Dean or Gore in a heartbeat, if they entered. Looks completely improbable, at this point, though.

[jonathan83]

the one thing i dont like about giuliani right now.....

call me superficial, but i just cant imagine the most powerful leader in the world talking with a lisp.

[impala454]

I still think Fred Thompson sounds like a great candidate. "Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son."

[super_stefani86]

I'm not too savvy with politics, but I Obama seems like a nice man. We've never had a minority president, so I think that could be a good thing. I don't know if I think a woman could be president though.

[James]

I doubt we'd have a minority president before a white woman president. Baby steps and all.

[jonathan83]

I'm not too savvy with politics, but I Obama seems like a nice man. We've never had a minority president, so I think that could be a good thing. I don't know if I think a woman could be president though.

Wow, so you like Obama because he "seems like a nice man." Awesome. If we get another crappy President, I'm blaming people like this.

[impala454]

damn dude don't run off the new people

[jonathan83]

haha, ok sorry. you new people have to realize we debate in here a lot, but dont take it personally! its fun.

[GOB]

yeah, i'd vote for a good female candidate over a good black candidate just because women represent a bigger percentage of the population.

[James]

yeah, i'd vote for a good female candidate over a good black candidate just because women represent a bigger percentage of the population.

By that logic, we'll have a hispanic president before we have a black president

[GOB]

By that logic, we'll have a hispanic president before we have a black president

the legal, registered-voter population

[Spectatrix]

After watching the debates and reading up a bit more, I'm actually rather fond of Mike Gravel. Unfortunately, he and Ron Paul are too blunt to get far in the polls.

[James]

the legal, registered-voter population

Hispanics will definitely be the majority of legal residents within the next 50 years. Will they register to vote and vote though? Who knows. Get the right candidate and I bet they would band together.

[JRockTTU]

I don't like any of the democratic candidates and if hillary wins I might move to mexico, lol. I like Mitt Romney, but he makes John Kerry seem like a stubborn mule in comparison. I've seen some interviews with Fred Thompson and he seems like a genuine man who I would like to know more about, but I'm going to wait until he joins the dance.

This debate is really firing up right now with Romney attacking McCain's immigration bill, McCain firing back about his flip-flopping and then the heated battle between Giuliani and the douche that says we invited 9/11. Don't give Giuliani more fuel for his platform!

[impala454]

glad to see another Fred Thompson vote! that bitch better run now based just on our Techsans poll!

[JRockTTU]

glad to see another Fred Thompson vote! that bitch better run now based just on our Techsans poll!

Yeah, I don't think he'll run, and if he does then he won't get the Republican spot. The GOP wants a fierce competitor that will rip Hillary (or Obama) to shreds. Someone like Giuliani, Romney, or McCain that can show passion. Thompson is a little too levelheaded and doesn't get fired up much.

[blaarg]

Anyone see the Michael Moore/Fred Thompson feud?

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/r_m/2007...sen_at_war.html

The one thing that I don't get is if Thompson "doesn't have time for [Moore]" then why the fuck does he post a video blog about it?!

[impala454]

michael moore is a f'n movie director. what possible reason would anyone have to want to take the time to have a debate with him? what if steven spielberg wants a debate? or britney spears? or sheryl crow? these hollywood dipshits need to realize they have no political power and stop tryin to inject themselves into the political process. If they want political power they can run for office just like everyone else.

haha here's the response video from Thompson:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611

moore seems to think he commited a felony in that video... not sure wtf he's talkin about.

[GOB]

i like fred thompson the actor, but as a politician he's crazier and more conservative than bush. i don't think will go over well, considering some of the more moderate republicans are asking bush to hurry the fuck up with iraq. i guess time will tell, though.

[zetec]

michael moore needs to get the fuck out of america already.

If he hates it so much he needs to either get into politics and change it or fucking GTFO.

Not to mention he makes the most biased, one-sided "documentaries" ever.

[impala454]

Wikipedia has a pretty good overview of Thompson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson

And I've learned a decent amount about his positions on recent issues from his blog on ABC radio here:
http://www.abcradio.com/Blog.asp?id=15663&m=5&y=2007

[zetec]

It has come to my attention that many people on this forum not only talk out of their ass when it comes to politics but lack the basic skills to research and confirm or deny their ass-talkery.

Not talking about you Impala, even though i'm posting right below you. You're actually on the up-and-up with research.

[Mommy]

It has come to my attention that many people on this forum not only talk out of their ass when it comes to politics but lack the basic skills to research and confirm or deny their ass-talkery.

Not talking about you Impala, even though i'm posting right below you. You're actually on the up-and-up with research.

[James]

It has come to my attention that many people on this forum not only talk out of their ass when it comes to politics but lack the basic skills to research and confirm or deny their ass-talkery.

Not talking about you Impala, even though i'm posting right below you. You're actually on the up-and-up with research.

You been living under a rock??

[JRockTTU]

It has come to my attention that many people on this forum not only talk out of their ass when it comes to politics but lack the basic skills to research and confirm or deny their ass-talkery.

Not talking about you Impala, even though i'm posting right below you. You're actually on the up-and-up with research.

I'd venture to say that a lot more uninformed people vote for president than do people with any research. How many Americans are going to vote for Obama just because Oprah said to?

[Dogmeat]

I'd venture to say that a lot more uninformed people vote for president than do people with any research. How many Americans are going to vote for Obama just because Oprah said to?

wefare moms who don't have jobs who are home during the day sitting on their asses watching oprah instead of working while the kids are at school.

[zetec]

good point.

Then again, as far as the oprah vote goes, she could have picked worse.

[Dogmeat]

good point.

Then again, as far as the oprah vote goes, she could have picked worse.

barack obama is the john mccain of democrats.

in other words, he sucks.

[JRockTTU]

good point.

Then again, as far as the oprah vote goes, she could have picked worse.

She only had two choices: Obama because he's black or Hillary because she's a woman. I think it's kind of foolish for celebrities to publicly endorse a candidate this early, because then when their candidate isn't given the bid they're like "Vote for this guy, he's my second choice!"

[Dogmeat]

i want to see the vast right-wing conspiracy concentrate it's efforts on seperating oprah from her "halo" so to speak.

If there was ever a good use for a vast right-wing conspiracy it's that!

[zetec]

She only had two choices: Obama because he's black or Hillary because she's a woman. I think it's kind of foolish for celebrities to publicly endorse a candidate this early, because then when their candidate isn't given the bid they're like "Vote for this guy, he's my second choice!"

that's just it though; the oprah vote is pretty much gonna cinch it for obama. hillary has too many skeletons and too many people that flat out hate her. if the democrats want a president, they're going to realize that she's not gonna guarantee the vote the way that obama would.

That's not to say hillary wont necessarily try to run anyways; if she does, however, she ends up guaranteeing another republican presidency (depending on the GOP final contender).

If by some reason obama doesn't get it, i don't see oprah backpeddling; rather I see her simply not mentioning it at all (at least for a while) and laying politically low during the election season.

[Dogmeat]

I think that oprah and obama should fuck so a paparazzi can sleuth the videos and post it on the internet and discredit them both for having an intimate fascination with each other's sexparts.

[impala454]

wefare moms who don't have jobs who are home during the day sitting on their asses watching oprah instead of working while the kids are at school.

she has a much larger audience than you might think. as much as i hate celebs getting into the political arena, if any of them can affect political change, it is oprah

[zetec]

yeah. the oprah vote is huge. And, the part of them that you call welfare moms with nothing to do is the same part that goes and votes -- they have nothing to do, like you said.

[chook]

Moore should have a fundraiser called Bowling for Bypass